Also, regarding the Descartes theory - I suppose my stance is this: accepting for the sake of argument the prong that says man can only conceive of that which he's experienced (or however it was more eloquently stated prior), couldn't the track record of cultures believing in "gods" stem from the fairly universal shared experience of having parents (or at least a parent)? Every person is exposed to the concept of living things creating more living things - we all are born understanding the concept of living things having a "creator" entity. It doesn't seem to me to take too drastic a stretch of the imagination to think that at some point people started to question the origin of the world, and, absent the capacity for big bang-style theorizing, decided the world as they knew it had a "mother" or "father" as they did.
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Tell that to women trying to protect reproductive rights or teachers trying to protect textbooks in Texas
This one time, at Coachella, this super drunk bro wondered into the Mojave while I was waiting for GY!BE. He asked me if I believed in Jesus. I told him I was an Atheist and it got kinda awkward.
Luckily, someone found a beach ball and threw it away from the stage. He ran to it like a dog does a bone, and then I had a great weekend.
Buddhists felt the touch of god too, created a story for it, and theirs doesn't involve any Creator mythology I don't believe. No idea how the Hindus did it. The Norse and the Egyptians... who the fuck knows.
All of those traditions you mention have a creation myth that involves the universe (and then man directly or indirectly) sprouting from some sort of "mother" entity.
Regardless--there is always going to be some kind of creation story. Creation though is not the defining aspect of the God sense. It is something we feel compelled to go in and backfill as it is a natural curiosity. No one "feels" the tale of creation--they weren't around for it.
Buddhism doesn't have a creator God because it isn't theistic.
Even Sam Harris is cool with Buddhism.
Right, and the nature of the creator story--as it relates to Malc's comment that perhaps the explanation is that we've all experienced being created and thus apply our father/mother perceptions onto God--is largely irrelevant. Our interactions with God are not of that nature, so any rationalization of what we experience as the power of God as being something that also created all the universe is a thought after the fact about what else it might be capable of.
Omniscience does not necessarily have to exist for us to have a conception of it.
By "interactions with god" are you talking about simply thinking about him (or HER) or are you talking about some sort of metaphysical experience of him? If the latter, please give an example.
Feeling God is hard to explain. Doesn't fit into the five senses. Sounds like crazy talk. Regardless, it happens.
It's all a question of how much you trust that particular impulse.
All I'm saying is that if it is a hallucination, it is one that has been had en masse by billions of people throughout human history. Which begs the question.
So I'm curious, how can you prove that it doesn't imply God?
Oh look it stopped snowing...
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You can't prove a claim that exists outside of the five senses, either. The onus reverts back to you.
I mean, unless the different nature that you are speaking of is that my dad didn't create the universe but God did.
If you know you have been in the presence of something else, something greater than yourself, and it held no physical form, its sound emanated from no visible location, had no smell, and despite no visible evidence that it was touching you, you could feel a sensation pass through your body that held no similarity to anything you'd ever touched with your hand before...
Similarly, personally speaking I've felt people who were close to me long after they were dead. In fact, if I want to focus on it, I can still summon them. But I know what they felt like.
When you feel something that has nothing in common with anything you've encountered in reality... I don't see any other logical deduction unless you decide you're just crazy.