Wait, what? Bands are expected to release live performance videos of songs before playing them on a full tour now?
Phoenix sold out Madison Square Garden almost three years ago (I believe). I generally take that as a sign a band is ready to headline a festival. And having seen them a number of times over the last ten years, they put on a hell of a show (which wasn't the case at first).
Well in 1998 I was ten but even in 06 when 10,000 days came out I only recall The Pot getting any sort of regular radio play. And for the record I never said Tool wasn't one of the biggest bands in the world. All I said was that I thought Wolfgang Amadeus was a bigger success then any Tool album which was already proven wrong and I accept that. My original point I was trying to make before you called me retarded was just because a band is more popular doesn't mean they have a stronger catalog.
Well this thread went somewhere else.
I just think a headliner has more of a responsibility to do songs that their casual fans know because of the large audience. That's possibly selfish of me but it's what I'm accustomed to. This isn't The Yeah Yeah Yeahs at the Glasshouse performing to die hard fans. This is Phoenix performing to 45,000+ people where almost 20,000 have only heard their last album. But if they heard their last album and this album that would be at least half of the playlist. That's all I'm saying.
"HIGH END RAP MUSIC! GHETTO STADIUM SHIT! THEY AIN'T WANT US AT THE FESTIVALS
NOW WE WILL RUN THEM!"
-Kanye West
How do you think the crowd will react to those 6 songs? Not everyone is music nerds like us so I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the audience for them haven't heard the songs before the 2nd weekend. And maybe some during weekend 2 will hear some but still not a big amount.
And I like Phoenix and think they will put on a great show. I just couldn't imagine how hype I would be if Plastic Beach came out after Coachella. I already had 5 different favorite songs by then![]()
"HIGH END RAP MUSIC! GHETTO STADIUM SHIT! THEY AIN'T WANT US AT THE FESTIVALS
NOW WE WILL RUN THEM!"
-Kanye West
Because it's a fucking stupid concept that assumes GV is infallible.
I'm sure there were plenty of dumbfucks using the same line to defend Jack Johnson.
I can't think of another "headliner" in Coachella history that would be such a weak draw in Portland that they'd not only be relegated to the 1500 capacity Crystal Ballroom, but it would actually take four days for them to sell out that living room.
Oh wait, I can think of two more. Blur and The Stone Roses.
The three of them combined couldn't sell out the Rose Garden if they played a triple bill, and yet they're "headliners."
Selling out a single show in an arena in a metropolitan area of 20 million people isn't a sign of anything. It's not that difficult. If you're looking for a sign, look for a band that can sell out arenas in Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Raleigh.
Familiar to who? What exactly do you think is preventing "people" from "realizing" how familiar they are?
They're familiar songs that have been around forever, but that casual fans or people who came on board with the last album might not instantly recognize as being Phoenix songs. It's not a revolutionary fucking concept.
Not revolutionary, just stupid given that songs off their first three albums never got squat for airplay or had any significant exposure in the US at all.
Or maybe you're anticipating 40,000 people all having that A-HA moment simultaneously Saturday night when they realize that one Phoenix song they heard for 10 seconds on Six Feet Under 10 years ago is so familiar.
mr hand doesn't like phoenix.
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If the songs are good the crowd will react favorably. If they are bad they will react unfavorably. Kind of like how a listener reacts when listening to a cd for the first time, but with the benefit of Coachella mainstage's soundsystem, light show, and crowd energy.
If an album is great it will be great live, if it is decent it will be good live, if it is bad it will be awful live.
This is completely legitimate. It is very difficult to judge commercial success these days.
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I'd be surprised by six songs from a new album if that album isn't out yet. Their last tour was really heavy on songs from the two most recent albums - ie, maximizing the stuff people would recognize. They don't play much from the first couple albums at all, and I genuinely think they consider what the majority of people will react well to with their setlists.
Or alternatively: I was with a number of Phoenix doubters at their set in 2010. All were converted. I think you'll have a good time.
If they just play the exact same setlist as 2010 - we'll all be happy!
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You know what else isn't a revolutionary concept? That someone who spent $300+ on a concert ticket would take the time to research the bands they plan to watch perform. It's not that hard. Every douche on my facebook feed seems to be on Spotify.
Plus, if "Long Distance Call" (admittedly one of the bigger non-Wolfgang songs) got this solid a reaction in 2010, we should all be fine with 3 more years under our belt.
The Flaming Lips sold out MSG too, but they won't headline Coachella.
There's a legitimate question of how fans will react to a headliner playing a big chunk of material the audience has never heard. How many fans will search out audience clips on youtube or hope the labum leaks early?
I saw Beck get BOOED playing material from Odelely for the 2nd ever time at Lollapalooza months before the album came out. I guess the songs were no good. Tons of times I've changed my opinion on an album after first listen. I saw a 2008 Oasis arena gig where they did 5 songs that hadn't leaked yet and the crowd were bored. Must be bad songs and a bad album.
Massive Attack/Verve did Key Arena circa 1998/99. SR/Blur are both a US exclusive it's also a world exclusive back to back.
What I find interesting about Phoenix is there might be almost a half dozen acts on the lineup that are not top line that could sell about as many tickets in many markets.
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Yippeeeeeeeeee! No one else in America gets to experience such exclusive boredom back to back! Imagine all the bragging you can do on FaceTwitterInstaTumblr when you rub that in their faces.
Don't need the qualifiers. It's all fucking terrible.
Does mrhand like any British bands?
Let me guess he only likes Radiohead.
This whole thing about fans not being able to handle hearing new songs in a concert by a band they love is incredibly fucking stupid. Do you idiots not go to any concerts? This is not a strange or inconceivable occurrence by any stretch of the imagination.
The casual music fan is actually much more likely to be highly entertained by new songs that they can't sing along with every word to than the diehard music dork is. People will be excited to hear new material. Shut the fuck up.
last.fm
8/7/16 - Sufjan Stevens @ Hollywood Bowl // 8/8/16 - Radiohead @ Shrine // 8/8/16 - Boris @ Regent
9/14/16 - Wilco @ Theatre at Ace Hotel // 9/18/16 - Kraftwerk @ Hollywood Bowl
PulpBlurStoneRosesOasis are an indistinguishable pile of laughably terrible bland liquid shit. Unless you were a 13-year old girl when Wonderwall came out, you have no excuse.
Had the Strokes headlined in 2006, you might have a fair comparison. It was 5 years later, try again.
I like Phoenix, but the odds of their new album being amazing enough to justify a headlining slot are about 100/1. Hope they prove me wrong, but I'm guessing it'll be a complete waste of the main stage headline slot, just like Friday and Sunday nights already are.