I would like to restate that Im not righting for either side here Im just trying to verify whats being thrown out there.
Donahue loves ecstasy.
e is the funnest drug out there, hand down. if you dont think so, you probably haven't tried it. im sure it can't be good for you long term, but who gives a fuck. i used to take it all the time, and i am still a relatively normal, successful, contributing member of society. can it fuck you up or kill you? sure it can, but so can alcohol, and every other mind altering chemical you ingest, if you are stupid about it.
the key to life is moderation kids. remember that and you'll be fine.
Denial sucks. MDMA fucks with your brain. You will learn this over time. Refusing to believe it won't shield you from it. Think about why they're even doing these studies in the first place. They didn't just make up the hypothesis out of the blue. There is tons of anectodal evidence that has been supported by some science even of some other science has retracted their conclusions.
MDMA will damage your memory at an accelerated pace (over just aging alone). I've seen it happen many times. I've seen it happen to myself.
I'm not telling anyone not to do E. But to deny that it has harmful affects because some study was dismissed would be a dangerous tactic.
methamphetamines are a group of chemical with many pharmaceutical benefits. the fact that a drug has methamphetamine at the end probably doesn't tell you anything about it, unless you happen to be a pharmacologist or a pharmacist or a doctor or very educated.
Drugs are good for you. .<-----------
Saying that MDMA carries with it all the dangers of the base methamphetamine is not accurate. MDMA does not give you tooth caries--meth does that because when snorted the highly corrosive chemicals used to make it end up swishing around in your mouth, which doesn't happen with MDMA except on the rare occasions people snort it, and even then I've never heard of pure usage resulting in tooth rot.
MDMA does kinda fuck with your stomach, causing a great deal of nausea in most instances and frequently resulting in vomiting, particularly with excessive repeated usage which can eat your teeth away. Stomach acids are one of the most efficent enamel-eating substances around.
I have a significant number of friends who've taken hundreds of e pills. I myself would have to estimate my lifetime intake as being on the high end of the 500-1000 range, no foolin'. Including one very ill-advised period where I stayed rolled on 6-10 pills a day for 60 days straight. Coming down from that nearly killed me--it was a kind of miserable that's hard to fathom now.
Lasting effects? Well I admit my stomach got a bit tussled from all that, but there was also a great deal of opiate use immediately following the e period, so it's hard to say what made me throw up all the time for a couple years. Mostly it was the opiates, I think, although to this day every time I take some e I WILL be vomiting at some point. Of course, I'm a pretty extreme case.
Memory loss is for real, although I've always thought that what really happens is it's hard to remember shit that happened when you were fucked up all the time not because the drugs have permanently eroded the part of your brain that holds memories, but more because it's hard to remember things that happened when you were all fucked up. Amnesi-E (as I like to call it) is very real--as the years have gone on I find my memory worse and worse every time I'm on pills, to the point where nowadays it's not uncommong for me to forget what I was saying in mid-sentence 10 times in the course of a four-hour roll. At the same time, I don't care so much.
Your serotonin receptors really do repair themselves. As with all drugs, it's mostly an issue of treating your body and brain properly. MDMA effects you for about six days after the roll is over--rolling back-to-back days is not so great. Taking Wellbutrin when you're coming down will make the day after infinitely more pleasurable by minimizing the serotonin drought. MDMA casualties (both actual casualties and just people who've turned to shit) are depressing, but it happens with all drugs and I think we could all agree that E is generally less horrific than heroin, meth, crack, and some of the other baddies. Don't forget that alcohol destroys your body in a truly vicious fashion too--watch someone suffering from cirrhosis sometime, it ain't pretty.
I, for one, will most definitely be rolling for Coachella, probably Friday as Interpol And Bjork back-to-back means a sonic impact that when combined with six or seven pills will cause every cell of my body to orgasm for several hours. Not to sound like a degenerate addict (too late), but the difference between a concert sober and a concert on e is equivalent to the difference between a concert and listening to a CD in your car.
My body will just have to man up and fucking deal with it. This is Coachella, dammit.
the busy bee has no time for sorrow.
The guy who discovered MDMA, Alexander Shulgin, happened across it while testing out dozens of chemical combinations within the family phenethylamines, including MDMA, MDA, MDE, and the 2-c family (2-cd, 2-ci, 2-cc. 2-cd, 2-ce), all potent psychoactives. They used to be available for purchase legally only a few years ago as "research chemicals," along with the AMT, DiPT, and DMT families. Oh, it was a wonderful time to be alive when you could order dozens and even hundreds of doses of these substances for only a few hundred dollars and explore by yourself. Then the government got involved. =(
here, I'll quote you again
In the context of a thread where people are talking about the ill effects of ecstasy, what do you think a quote like that is supposed to suggest?methamphetamines are a group of chemical with many pharmaceutical benefits. the fact that a drug has methamphetamine at the end probably doesn't tell you anything about it, unless you happen to be a pharmacologist or a pharmacist or a doctor or very educated.
Sure, there's probably some metha-amphetamines that don't have purely harmful affects, but what the fuck is the point of saying that a discussion of Ecstasy and meth?
If you answer is "nothing. I was just stating a fact" then what's the point? Why not quote the average rainfall in the Everglades or something.
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