This argument is almost always a nonstarter because people can't look at music from anything but a rockist perspective. Nobody will really ask why it's better for each note or drum hit to be a result of someone doing A Thing, that's just understood as How Music Should Be, so it's hard to defend electronic music in that context.
I really wish the video in the OP still worked...
I agree my comment was not well thought out. I was trying to get at the fact that In most live performances the intricacies of the DJ's skills are lost and the average person is just watching the visuals. The last time I was truly enthralled by a DJ and all he had was a brain, arms, and two turntables was with Jon Hopkins. He was amazing. Sadly when DJ's spin, especially in large venues, they have to put on a show and often that comes at the sacrifice of their real skills. So when they at least bring in other talents that can showcase their playing skills I am more apt to enjoy it. They can show me all the cool pics on the video screens, but when I see the computers doing most of the work with the music I am disappointed.
Daft Punk '96 in WI > Daft Punk 06 in So Cal
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing more impressive than someone actually gifted at turntablism (My favorite "visuals" in the Sahara last year were the video screens showing A-Trak do his thing). DJ skills are just not something that can be broadcast like live instrument, where you can see and hear the difference between good and bad. To most there is almost 0 difference between a DJ is simply pressing play and messing with a phaser and a DJ who actually has real talent on the decks. Look at Andy C and DJ Shadow two extremely talented DJ's who need nothing more than their skills to put on an unreal show yet both have adopted an elaborate light show to keep up with the times. Does this trend allow for talentless clowns to hide their deficiencies? Absolutely, but it is also become so commonplace it is simply an expectation of any DJ.
You could be adept a mixing tracks (or pieces of tracks) without a shred of talent at beat matching. Conversely, you could be very skilled at beat matching, but have not a fucking clue what it means to properly mix music.
The former is more important, even though the latter is what most people who have never attempted any of this will tend to believe is what DJing is supposed to be about. That's why the laptop/vinyl/CDJ argument is a worthless non-starter. It's ironic that nobody but DJ's understand the mechanics of it, yet it's others who try to expound on the subject.
That said, folks who actually mechanically beat match tend to be better at mixing because they've generally invested a lot more into into the process by buying the vinyl or even burning the CDs. Meanwhile many young laptop DJs tend to only care about the next drop and will let their DJ or DAW software slow cross-fade one "sick drop" into the next while they twiddle their bent-wrist in the air and curl their upper lip making an orgasm face.
Nobody who's actually mixing music (even if they've done it beforehand) will ever act like that.
If you can't do an acoustic version it's not really music.
Apologies are not necessary, unless I ask . . . Mister.
Your criticism was totally legit.
I hope Skrillex has learned something from reading these last few pages
That's how mother fuckers used to do it. Computers have allowed so much advancement and Djs/producers had the ability to take music and live performance to another level. Instead people have become lazy and the computers have allowed them to take short cuts. Quality, respect, talent and interest are dwindling. As generations grow up, these kids don't know the difference. They could care less. They are desensitized from all the other multimedia stimulation. These clits have been rubbed raw and it takes an unrefined annoying buzzsaw of a track to jump start their little retard brains.
This is when you start claiming EDM is dead and start supporting real artists that are more concerned with the fundementals and quality.
Last edited by Goatchella; 12-02-2011 at 08:18 AM.
You wanna fook on me?!
I find it quite funny how everyone thinks I'm Skrillex xD
If I was Skrillex, I wouldn't be here talking to a lot of losers that attempt to flame someone who was trying to explain - in the nicest possible way - that everyone has different musical tastes, and that some like him and some hate him, but there really isn't a need for the nasty comments. Skrillex makes a living producing music that people obviously have a liking for - leave him to do that, and let people like whatever music they like.
I'm not one of those typical "wtf bro, you hate skrillex!!!1 gtfo" type of guys (in response to a picture posted earlier to my post in reply). I'm just telling you that it's a bit childish to create and continue a 58-page thread with so much hate for someone who has a huge fan base, and does what he does best, and produces beats, synths and basslines that people like. And I can see that some people are very serious about this thread; it seems the same people reply to this thread with very similar comments. Get a life.
Skrillex, stop trying so hard.
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Wtf bro, you hate haters? Gtfo
You wanna fook on me?!
There's an insane amount of quality dance music coming out, the existence of Skrillex has zero to do with it.
Your young. So I expect that reaction from you. Talent is respected where present.
Think about how much real music was created and how much attention was devoted by a Dj or producer before cell phones, Facebook, laptops, email.
Mad work was put in. From scratch. I respect that. The founders. Mad respect. It just isn't the same. You will never understand that. In ten years you will look around and notice the changes. Not all of them good
Last edited by Goatchella; 12-02-2011 at 10:20 AM.
You wanna fook on me?!
Sorry, but "the kids are ruining a great thing" has literally never been a valid complaint, and you don't get to wave your hands and say "you'll appreciate this when you're older" as if that holds any weight either.
omg thank you for your efforts in explaining to us the concept of people having different musical tastes.
Let's extend your reasoning further and accept that everything everywhere appeals to at least some folks all the time, and therefore any and all criticism of all things is unnecessary regardless of who hears it.
How about this? This thread is something many of us are amused by. So by your own logic, who the fuck are you to criticize it?
You say "leave him to do that, and let people like whatever music they like." mmmkay, who's fucking stopping him or preventing people from liking him?
And you are requesting that we get a life?
Or forget all of that and just just get fucked, Skrilldo.