Zack: did you ever get into stuff like Rhea's Obsession, The Changlings or Faith & Disease?
I understand, Patrick. I'll try and work on it. There's so much music we listened to back then that I associate with that time in my life but isn't exactly "goth" per say. Stuff like The Legendary Pink Dots, Death in June, Coil, Current 93 all got lumped into our playlists but I don't exactly know if I or other people who consider that goth I guess. Then you have just fucking off the wall weird shit like Sopor Aeternus who is fronted by this fucking lunatic transgendered person and makes some of the most bizarre neo classical chamber music with a voice that sound like a cat dying of a heroin overdose while reading an edgar allan poe poem.. Stuff like that is way "gothier" than what 99% of that subculture listened to. The irony of being in the subculture was how close minded the majority of those fans were, which helped attribute to my eventual complete burn out of it in my early 20s.
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It's pretty awesome that you've got at least two genres that you have an extreme amount of knowledge on. I'm gonna check out all the DnB stuff, and I'll be stoked to read the goth write ups.
And I always thought of Coil as Industrial then Acid House then just insane.
Donald: Faith & Disease, yes. No to the other two, now I will go check them out.
I think after we watch the fights tonight, the wife and I are going to work on the request for 80's synthpop sans Kraftwork. To make it more interesting we'll try a list of albums with no top 40 charting singles. A collection to take us into the "less discovered" gems of the time. It'll take a bit of research but I need something light and fun to work on.
Maybe if you're doing a more unknown realm I'll take the well-known and include some charting albums. A Flock of Seagulls comes to mind.
A Flock of Seagulls, Human League, Alphaville, Pet Shop Boys, Information Society, soooo much good stuff to cover!
I was going to do dark synth pop, but I'm not sure I have enough albums in mind to do it. Maybe though. I might just do early industrial instead. When ever I get some free time.
I'd definitely consider Legendary Pink Dots goth. While I did say you should include the obvious stuff, I don't necessarily mean that's the only thing you should include. These primers having a personal slant is a good thing. I just don't think you should exclude something just because it's obvious, because for someone that' uninformed, even the obvious might be obscure, or be the thing to trigger a response.
Agree about rivetheads and goths being total twats. I still love a ton of that music but the subcultures built up around them are completely worthless. Like most every subculture. And from what I can tell, neither genre has really kept up musically. How many worthwhile goth or industrial bands have risen up in the past 10-15 years?
The only new industrial-ish band that I am aware of with any kind of staying power and a big output of work is Combichrist. I don't know if anyone here would even be into them, but I like'em a lot.
I think I may do an ebm list for the hell of it, which would include stuff that could be considered darker synthpop and futurewave.
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But while I'm here, I'd be very happy to help with a synth pop list, Zack
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well since Keith Morris left Black Flag and formed the Circle Jerks in 1979, but before any other singer sang with Black Flag, I can see the grey line. Or not. Or maybe. Or I am just biased to that band.
10 Albums Essential To Those Interested In The Genre Known as "Post-Rock"
10. Slint - Spiderland
Now many of you who know a little about me would have probably guessed that this album would not only make the list, but may very well have been #1. It's true, it is one of my all-time favorite records. Having said that, I don't think it would be fair to put an album that I more closely associate with Math-Rock than Post-Rock that high on a list such as this one. But, I couldn't ignore it's association and influence with the genre, so here it is. A blueprint, a couple tracks on this one("For Dinner..." or "Washer") will give a clear indication as to why this is on the list.
9. The For Carnation - Marshmallows
WHOA. Brian McMahan projects back-to-fucking-back? Well, I had to, considering putting this any higher wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Especially because this one is a borderline EP, and a meager one at that, but I wan't to bring your attention to one track in particular: Salo. It rivals anything Talk Talk put out even in Laughing Stock weather. Breathtaking track, makes your insides feel dense. As far as LPs go, their self-titled is the one to pickup.
8. King Crimson - Red
In the past, I have read pundits wager that PiL were the first incarnation of a band with Post-Rock tendencies, but I think if you were to follow the time-line a little more closely, you would find that not only did King Crimson come before PiL, but they fit the bill more closely. Sonically the only difference between this one and #10 is 20 odd years or so (and maybe the success of Yes in the modern music market). But, if we are going to play that game, then you could make a much stronger argument for Can and their Kraut-rock counterparts, but in my opinion you have to draw the line somewhere, and I'm drawing it here. Plus, I'm too lazy to write about them as well. The key tracks on this album are the last two, "Providence" and "Starless".
7. Tortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never Die
Ok, so you came here for some essential Post-Rock albums. Here, this is about as "essential" as it gets. With some help from David Pajo [Slint (see I told you they were important!)] Tortoise created a classic. The key track here is "Djed", it's pretty damn good. I could have done without the now overused Steve Reich, but, alas, I suppose it wasn't overused when they were dropping it.
6. Bark Psychosis - Hex
Now ain't this a little beauty. It definitely mimics a lot of the other selections on this list, I mean the guitar tone of "A Street Scene" and the Laughing Stock opener are just about identical. Even what they are playing may be the same chord, but that isn't the point is it? That is probably a good thing, isn't it? Wouldn't you prefer a musical landscape where artists try to sound like Talk Talk more often than not? I know I would. Back to the album though, this album has a nice pace to it, this is key to it's success. It seems to lure you in, without being overly patient (a constant downfall of modern Post-Rock artists, too often a band will shove a riff down your throat for double digit minutes, shining an ugly light on a misconception on what "dynamics"...it's not that interesting of a riff, man...). A nice understanding of knowing what is too little, and what is too much make these songs flourish with letterhead precision.
5. Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun
This one you have probably already heard, but I'll include it anyways. It's been rightfully labeled a modern day classic, owing a lot to their gradual rise into the living rooms of America. These guys are almost a household name, which is crazy... a couple lads from Iceland, who don't sing in English (or any language apparently), and compose calming song structures that challenge more so than invite. Oh yes, there are hooks, but it's not exactly the fuck Kinks if you Nah'why'mean? I think what I like better about this one, as opposed to their later material, is they don't really know what they're doing yet. They aren't as confident in what they are playing, so instead of leaving it naked, they give a nice one over with a bit of a washing drone. Now we're talking.
4. Mogwai - Young Team
If there was ever a stronger argument for me including #8 on this list, then it is the Young Team curtain dropper "Mogwai Fear Satan". At a nice round 16 minutes and 20 seconds we get an instrumental that I've always assumed was about exorcising demons, but I'd imagine it might sound a little different to you. I'm getting way ahead of myself now though, I began at the end. The 40 minutes or so before the first blriiing of "Mogwai Fear Satan", is a swooping and weaving hawk of an experience, that mostly disappoints me that the rest of their discography sounded so much like the music on this album, but really didn't at the same time. I'd of even preferred a misguided metamorphosis, to be honest... at least that would have hinted at life.
3. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
I'm really not comfortable writing about something so sacred, I even considered (although it is an EP) writing about Slow Riot For New Zero Kanada instead, I have heard numerous times that SRFNZK is not only the essential document for the band, but the holy tome of Post-Rock as a genre... but I'm just not that familiar with it, not enough to write about it, at least. I've heard F#A#∞ more than Skinny Fists, but the musical body consciousness seems to have tipped in the latter's favor. I could have written about the overly-maligned, Steve Albini produced Yanqui U.X.O., but I have a reputation keep up! I could have written about the mysterious All Lights Fucked on the Hairy Amp Drooling, but that might not even exist. Although, I could have made a strong argument that not existing is about as Post-Rock as it can possibly get, but that would have been just plain silly! See how good of a job I did at not writing about the album itself? Saved my skin!
2. Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
Wowza, this isn't what you were probably expecting. We're twelve minutes and 3 songs in and Michael Gira hasn't even opened his mouth yet! We've heard why we're fucked up, though, and that we don't know how to function common household items (i.e. Forks). A little later on, we'll contemplate becoming a phone-sex operator, deal with getting old.. you see puttering around the house is it, as far as our daily exercise goes, and then lose eyesight in our left eye due to Glaucoma, (Editors note: this is just the first disc). If you want the recipe, the ingredients are equal parts Industrial, Cluster-esque drones, Faustian composition, Old School No-Wave Swans Punk swagger, GY!BE street-level voice samples, Minimalist Goth, and fucking DRONES. It's a double disc'r, but just when you think that this might not be able to sustain another 70 minutes (THWACK!), a lyric about sucking tits or an absolutely ridiculous exercise in genre-bending will occur.
1. Talk Talk - Laughing Stock
In the much cited Mojo interview with Phil Brown, when talking about the endless(ly amazing) one note guitar/feedback solo/bombast on "After the Flood", he said "What do you play after one note? No notes." And if we are gonna go with more overused sum-ups, we can say that this music is like "Going back into the womb" or "Last music. The end of all music". But, this is contradictory... it can't be both. I agree with the former, it isn't the end, it's going back to the beginning, it's an album of warmth, rarely cold. Although I used to say that my favorite of the "big two" was Spirit of Eden, I had a very smart and pretty girl made a strong argument to me that even if SoE is more cohesive and enjoyable at times that by no means makes it better. Even though the angelic tones on "I Believe in You", for example, give me a musical erection nearly every time they pop up, it doesn't equal what Laughing Stock throws on the table, although it certainly comes close, and if we are talking about which is more essentially "Post-Rock", this is hands down the one, simply because it breaks even farther from the Rock n' Roll mold set 40 years earlier in what was most likely a bedroom in the southern United States. Definitely underrated lyrically, "Lifted up/Reflective in returning love you sing/Errant days filled me/Fed me illusion's gate/In temperate stream/Welled up within me/A hunger uncurbed by nature's calling/Seven sacraments to song/Versed in Christ/Should strength desert me...", when M. Hollis lays this heavy bit of verse on us, it confirms our suspicions of a higher theme at play here. If the music isn't dealing with anything happening on this earth, why should the lyrics? An album that everyone should hear at least six time in their lifetime.