It's really, really good.
Why, is there some hidden joke about how dumb you are?
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Great essay: Why it’s time to stop the anti-spoiler paranoia
I think those are two different things. Idiots rushing on to Twitter to proclaim "oh my god, [spoiler] on Game of Thrones!" five minutes after the show airs on the east coasts adds nothing to anyone's critical understanding, and is probably a total dick move. On the other hand, the spoilerphobic culture is silly when it comes to discussing old seasons of The Wire, even if the immediate context isn't a review of The Wire. I mean, we don't do this for old movies, do we? But apart from that, what I really endorse in the essay is the idea that spoiler culture is ruining how we watch shows by prizing plot above everything else that's going on. So many people missed the higher pleasures of True Detective because they were too busy analyzing screen grabs and looking up information about the Yellow King on Wikipedia.
The fact that Arthur Miller wanted me to know that Willy wasn't going to make it is not even comparable to the half billion critics trying to leech off of content they had nothing to do with deciding how I should see something the first time.
I would disagree that "anti-spoiler culture privileges the weight of plot and narrative above all else", instead saying that being spoiler-friendly acknowledges that plot and narrative are facets where approach is important. Many, many things are great to see (the first time) not knowing what the hell is going to happen and letting your imagination soar. That's a great fucking feeling, and every detail some assholes gives me about what happens deflates that a little.
And yes, it is absolutely an (old) spoiler that Wizard switches from black and white to color. That shit can have (and was designed to have) and impact. I am reminded of a not dissimilar effect in a Russian film where I gasped the first time I saw it.
But I think there are different standards for different types of reviews. Quick blurbs about movies, including release day Should You See It type reviews? These should be very spoiler free. Significant critical retrospectives and articles, especially later ones? I agree that you can't talk about a lot if you have to dance around certain things so it is reasonable to have a spoiler warning and go ahead (like his Hannibal review he links to; yes people were dumb for getting upset at the old/new image), as long as you're not spoiling for the sake of spoiling.
I don't think I'm hosting a 2016 collaborative playlist.
Incidentally Hannibal, though I have been watching it live is a show where I have found I have been happy to look for spoilery information beforehand. I mean, not reading recaps from leaked episodes but looking at the pictures and watching the videos from the tumblr and reading Fuller's tweets, etc. They went all out on social media, and sure, gave a decent amount away. But that fucking show is SO fucking crazy that there's always more. Or, very importantly, the fucking creators know what they can give away and make the show work.
Opera is the only other thing I can think of where I will read up as much as I can on a thing before seeing it because it is such a stylized art form, much more about raw emotion than plot.
I don't think I'm hosting a 2016 collaborative playlist.
My girlfriend gave me her login information for HBOGO & Amazon Prime. I almost didn't come to work today because there are so many new shows I want to catch up on. I am catching up on Girls, then I want to finish Six Feet Under & The Wire. I also want to start Deadwood, Oz, Leftovers and Game of Thrones. Are there any other old HBO series that are must sees? I have watched Sopranos, Dexter & Weeds (although I think the last two were Showtime?).
The menace is television itself.
Emmy nominations are out:
Best Comedy Series
"The Big Bang Theory"
"Orange Is the New Black"
Best Actress in a Comedy Series
Lena Dunham, "Girls"
Edie Falco, "Nurse Jackie"
Julia Louis Dreyfus, "Veep"
Melissa McCarthy, "Mike & Molly"
Amy Poehler, "Parks & Recreation"
Taylor Schilling, "Orange Is the New Black"
Best Actor in a Comedy Series
Jim Parsons, "The Big Bang Theory"
Ricky Gervais, "Derek"
Matt LeBlanc, "Episodes"
Don Cheadle, "House of Lies"
Louis C.K., "Louie"
William H. Macy, "Shameless"
Supporting Actor, Comedy Series
Andre Braugher, "Brookiyn Nine-Nine"
Adam Driver, "Girls"
Jesse Tyler Ferguson, "Modern Family"
Ty Burrell, "Modern Family"
Fred Armisen, "Portlandia"
Tony Hale, "Veep"
Supporting Actress, Comedy Series
Mayim Bialik, "The Big Bang Theory"
Julie Bowen, "Modern Family"
Allison Janney, "Mom"
Kate Mulgrew, "Orange Is the New Black"
Kate McKinnon, "Saturday Night Live"
Anna Chlumsky, "Veep"
Best Drama Series
"Game of Thrones"
"House of Cards"
Best Actress in a Drama Series
Lizzy Caplan, "Masters of Sex"
Claire Danes, "Homeland"
Michelle Dockery, "Downton Abbey"
Julianna Margulies, "The Good Wife"
kerry Washington, "Scandal"
Robin Wright, "House of Cards"
Best Actor in a Drama Series
Bryan Cranston, "Breaking Bad"
Jeff Daniels, "The Newsroom"
Jon Hamm, "Mad Men"
Woody Harrelson, "True Detective"
Matthew McConaughey, "True Detective"
Kevin Spacey, "House of Cards"
Supporting Actor, Drama Series
Aaron Paul, "Breaking Bad"
Jim Carter, "Downton Abbey"
Peter Dinklage, "Game of Thrones"
Josh Charles, "The Good Wife"
Mandy Patinkin, "Homeland"
Jon Voight, "Ray Donovan"
Supporting Actress, Drama Series
Anna Gunn, "Breaking Bad"
Maggie Smith, "Downton Abbey"
Lena Headey, "Game of Thrones"
Christine Baranski, "The Good Wife"
Christina Hendricks, "Mad Men"
Joanne Froggatt, "Downton Abbey"
Best Miniseries or Movie
"American Horror Story: Coven"
"Bonnie & Clyde"
"The White Queen"
Best Actress Miniseries or Movie
Jessica Lange, "American Horror Story: Coven"
Sarah Paulson, "American Horror Story: Coven"
Helena Bonham Carter, "Burton and Taylor"
Minnie Driver, "Return to Zero"
Kristen Wiig, "The Spoils of Babylon"
Cicely Tyson, "The Trip Bountiful"
Best Actor in a Miniseries or Movie
Chiwetel Ejiofor, "Dancing on the Edge"
Martin Freeman, "Fargo"
Billy Bob Thornton, "Fargo"
Idris Elba, "Luther"
ark Ruffalo, "The Normal Heart"
Benedict Cumberbatch, "Sherlock: His Last Vow"
Supporting Actor, Miniseries or Movie
Colin Hanks, "Fargo"
Jim Parsons, "The Normal Heart"
Joe Mantello, "The Normal Heart"
Alfred Molina, "The Normal Heart"
Matt Bomer, "The Normal Heart"
Martin Freeman, "Sherlock: His Last Vow"
Supporting Actress, Miniseries or Movie
Frances Conroy, "American Horror Story: Coven"
Kathy Bates, "American Horror Story: Coven"
Angela Bassett, "American Horror Story: Coven"
Allison Tolman, "Fargo"
Ellen Burstyn, "Flowers In the Attic"
Julia Roberts, "The Normal Heart"
Outstanding Animated Program
"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Manhattan Project"
Outstanding Host: Reality-Competition Program
Betty White, "Betty White's Off Their Rockers"
Tom Bergeron, "Dancing with the Stars"
Jane Lynch, "Hollywood Game Night"
Heidi Klum and Tim Gunn, "Project Runway"
Cat Deeley, "So You Think You Can Dance"
Anthony Bourdain, "The Taste"
"The Amazing Race"
"So You Think You Can Dance"
"Dancing with the Stars"
"The Colbert Report"
"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart"
"Jimmy Kimmel Live"
"Real Time with Bill Maher"
"Saturday Night Live"
"The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon"
"Dog with a Blog"
"Good Luck Charlie"
"Nick News With Linda Ellerbee - Family Secrets: When Violence Hits Home"
"One Last Hug: Three Days at Grief Camp"
"Wynton Marsalis – A YoungArts Masterclass"
Outstanding Guest Actor in Drama
Paul Giamatti as Harold Levinson in "Downton Abbey"
Dylan Baker as Colin Sweeney in "The Good Wife"
Reg E. Cathey as Freddy in "House Of Cards"
Robert Morse as Bertram Cooper in "Mad Men"
Beau Bridges as Barton Scully in "Masters of Sex"
Joe Morton as Rowan Pope in "Scandal"
Outstanding Guest Actress In A Drama Series
Margo Martindale as Claudia in "The Americans"
Diana Rigg as Lady Olenna Tyrell in "Game of Thrones"
Kate Mara as Zoe Barnes in "House of Cards"
Allison Janney as Margaret Scully in "Masters of Sex"
Jane Fonda as Leona Lansing in "The Newsroom"
Kate Burton as Sally Langston in "Scandal"
Outstanding Guest Actor In A Comedy Series
Bob Newhart as Arthur in "The Big Bang Theory"
Nathan Lane as Pepper Saltzman in "Modern Family"
Steve Buscemi as Marty in "Portlandia"
Jimmy Fallon as Host in "SNL"
Louis C.K. as Host in "SNL"
Gary Cole as Kent Davison in "Veep"
Outstanding Guest Actress In A Comedy Series
Natasha Lyonne as Nicky Nichols in "Orange is the New Black"
Uzo Aduba as Suzanne "Crazy Eyes" Warren in "Orange is the New Black"
Laverne Cox as Sophia Burset in "Orange is the New Black"
Tina Fey as Host in "SNL"
Melissa McCarthy as Host in "SNL"
Joan Cusack as Sheila Jackson in "Shameless"
There is some major bullshit up in here.
1) Not nominating Tatiana from Orphan Black is a HUGE oversight. Her performance is clearly deserving...I was sure she would be a shoo in. Christ, get out of Juliana Margulies' vagina, Emmys.
2) In true Emmy fashion, Emmy recognizes the most overrated show of the year, True Detective, in a huge way. It was a good show. Not a great show. Without the acting performances, I don't think many would have given a shit.
3) Having Matthew McConaughey up against Cranston is a tough one. That whole category is tough....Spacey deserves it too. I'm not a McConaughey fan, but his performance was very good. Hoping Cranston gets it...he deserves it for Ozymondias alone.
4) Again on the True Detective note, it's really really stupid that the Emmys let HBO enter the show in whatever category they want. The show is, by their own definition, a miniseries. It should be included in the miniseries category.
5) I don't get how OITNB is a comedy. There are some funny moments...but it's no comedy. I also don't get how Kate Mulgrew gets a supporting actress nomination but the other nominated actresses are in the guest star categories. They're all cast members...I don't get how they can get nominated in the guest star category All of the comedy categories are pretty weak. Nice to see Ricky G get a nod, but Derek is sort of a depressing show. I hope Louis CK gets it over that goddamn Jim Parsons again. JLD or Amy P probably deserve the actress win.
6) I chuckled when I saw Ellyn Burstyn get nominated for Flowers in the Attic. Seriously, WTF?
Ooh, Colin Sweeney on The Good Wife is great.
Also, I started watching Fargo and it is incredible.
Why is Louie nominated for comedy? This season was nothing that resembled a comedy.
December 10 - Children of Bodom/Abbath
December 16 - 18 - Day For Night
January 30 - Sleep
July 3 - Roger Waters
Another good point.Why is Louie nominated for comedy? This season was nothing that resembled a comedy.
And it doesn't make sense how these shows get cataloged, especially the HBO ones. How are Treme, Fargo, American Horror Story are categorized as miniseries, but True Detective is in the Drama category. TD had 10 episodes while those other shows had 13, I'm pretty sure.
I wish Mads Mikklesen would be getting some due for Hannibal but that show is probably too gory for the Emmys. But then its really only one step gorier than Game of Thrones or American Horror Story (which is not that great of a show).
The Emmy's have reached their moment of necessary deconstruction.
i still think louie counts as a comedy. i feel like the term comedy really just means not a drama.
and are we really taking awards shows seriously?
My votes in bold
Breaking Bad, AMC
Downton Abbey, PBS
Game of Thrones, HBO
House of Cards, Netflix
Mad Men, AMC
True Detective, HBO
The Big Bang Theory, CBS
Modern Family, ABC
Orange Is the New Black, Netflix
Silicon Valley, HBO
Actor, drama series
Bryan Cranston, Breaking Bad (AMC)
Jeff Daniels, The Newsroom (HBO)
Jon Hamm, Mad Men (AMC)
Woody Harrelson, True Detective (HBO)
Matthew McConaughey, True Detective (HBO)
Kevin Spacey, House of Cards (Netflix)
Actress, drama series
Lizzy Caplan, Masters of Sex (Showtime)
Claire Danes, Homeland (Showtime)
Michelle Dockery, Downton Abbey (PBS)
Julianna Margulies, The Good Wife (CBS)
Kerry Washington, Scandal (ABC)
Robin Wright, House of Cards (Netflix)
Actor, comedy series
Louis C.K., Louie (FX)
Don Cheadle, House of Lies (Showtime)
Ricky Gervais, Derek (Netflix)
Matt LeBlanc, Episodes (Showtime)
William H. Macy, Shameless (Showtime)
Jim Parsons, The Big Bang Theory (CBS)
Actress, comedy series
Lena Dunham, Girls (HBO)
Edie Falco, Nurse Jackie (Showtime)
Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Veep (HBO)
Melissa McCarthy, Mike & Molly (CBS)
Amy Poehler, Parks and Recreation (NBC)
Taylor Schilling, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)
Supporting actor, drama series
Aaron Paul, Breaking Bad (AMC)
Jim Carter, Downton Abbey (PBS)
Peter Dinklage, Game of Thrones (HBO)
Mandy Patinkin, Homeland (Showtime)
Jon Voight, Ray Donovan (Showtime)
Josh Charles, The Good Wife (CBS)
Supporting actress, drama series
Anna Gunn, Breaking Bad (AMC)
Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey (PBS)
Joanne Froggatt, Downton Abbey (PBS)
Lena Headey, Game of Thrones (HBO)
Christina Hendricks, Mad Men (AMC)
Christine Baranski, The Good Wife (CBS)
Supporting actor, comedy series
Andre Braugher, Brooklyn Nine-Nine (Fox)
Adam Driver, Girls (HBO)
Ty Burrell, Modern Family (ABC)
Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Modern Family (ABC)
Fred Armisen, Portlandia (IFC)
Tony Hale, Veep (HBO)
Supporting actress, comedy
Julie Bowen, Modern Family (ABC)
Allison Janney, Mom (CBS)
Kate Mulgrew, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)
Kate McKinnon, Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Mayim Bialik, The Big Bang Theory (CBS)
Anna Chlumsky, Veep (HBO)
tie on this one for now^ (Still have 3 more VEEP episodes to catch up on)
Actor, miniseries or movie
Benedict Cumberbatch, Sherlock: His Last Vow (PBS)
Chiwetel Ejiofor, Dancing on the Edge (Starz)
Idris Elba, Luther (BBC America)
Martin Freeman, Fargo (FX)
Mark Ruffalo, The Normal Heart (HBO)
Billy Bob Thornton, Fargo (FX)
^Haven't seen any of these except for the pilot of Fargo so I don't have a strong enough opinion
Actress, miniseries or movie
Helena Bonham Carter, Burton and Taylor (BBC America)
Minnie Driver, Return to Zero (Lifetime)
Jessica Lange, American Horror Story: Coven (FX)
Sarah Paulson, American Horror Story: Coven (FX)
Cicely Tyson, The Trip to Bountiful (Lifetime)
Kristen Wiig, Spoils of Babylon (IFC)
The Colbert Report, Comedy Central
The Daily Show, Comedy Central
Jimmy Kimmel Live!, ABC
Saturday Night Live, NBC
Real Time With Bill Maher, HBO
The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, NBC
The Amazing Race, CBS
Dancing With the Stars, ABC
Project Runway, Lifetime
So You Think You Can Dance, Fox
Top Chef, Bravo
The Voice, NBC
Betty White, Betty White's Off Their Rockers (NBC)
Tom Bergeron, Dancing With the Stars (ABC)
Jane Lynch, Hollywood Game Night (NBC)
Heidi Klum and Tim Gunn, Project Runway (Lifetime)
Cat Deeley, So You Think You Can Dance (Fox)
Anthony Bourdain, The Taste (ABC)
American Horror Story: Coven, FX
Luther, BBC America
Bonnie & Clyde, A&E
The White Queen, Starz
Killing Kennedy, National Geographic Channel
Muhammad Ali's Greatest Fight, HBO
The Normal Heart, HBO
Sherlock: His Last Vow, PBS
Trip to Bountiful, Lifetime
Haven't seen these ^
Guest actor, drama series
Paul Giamatti, Downton Abbey (PBS)
Reg E. Cathey, House of Cards (Netflix)
Robert Morse, Mad Men (AMC)
Beau Bridges, Masters of Sex (Showtime)
Joe Morton, Scandal (ABC)
Dylan Baker, The Good Wife (CBS)
Guest actress, drama series
Dianna Rigg, Game of Thrones (HBO)
Kate Mara, House of Cards (Netflix)
Allison Janney, Masters of Sex (Showtime)
Kate Burton, Scandal (ABC)
Margo Martindale, The Americans (FX)
Jane Fonda, The Newsroom (HBO)
Guest actor, comedy series
Nathan Lane, Modern Family (ABC)
Steve Buscemi, Portlandia (IFC)
Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Louis C.K., Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Bob Newhart, The Big Bang Theory (CBS)
Gary Cole, Veep (HBO)
Guest actress, comedy series
Uzo Aduba, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)
Laverne Cox, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)
Natasha Lyonne, Orange Is the New Black (Netflix)
Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Melissa McCarthy, Saturday Night Live (NBC)
Joan Cusack, Shameless (Showtime)
Bob's Burgers, Fox
Futurama, Comedy Central
South Park, Comedy Central
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Manhattan Project, Nick