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    Default Lets talk about the health care reform + Obama

    So, lets talk.
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    As you mentioned there is already the Obama thread. Why would you need to make a new one? This is all they talk about in there.
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    Simply for the fact that I have almost zero knowledge for the issue, and I'm sure there are a few other people like myself wih the same situation. But yes, I understand the repetitious-ness. Sorry for that.

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    Default Re: Lets talk about the health care reform + Obama

    there was a ton of outrage about last year's bail-outs. Where the fuck were you?
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    I'm talking heavy protesting. Not media or person to person outrage. But I may have been totally oblivious to some of it as I was heavily focused on a very difficult semester at the time. I just can't recall much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandlr View Post
    Simply for the fact that I have almost zero knowledge for the issue, and I'm sure there are a few other people like myself wih the same situation. But yes, I understand the repetitious-ness. Sorry for that.
    Nice word. So you say you want to learn about the issue by starting a thread, I point out that there's already a thread full of discussion about it... do you realize how this makes you an asshole? Not because you added another thread to the pile, but because you expected people should be willing to re-type things they've already said on the subject to save you the trouble of reading through pages of discussion on health care.
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    Hannah, I don't know that pigs have big weiners, and my early 20's facination with dogs because of weiner size, I think. If that helps.

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    Solid point. I had an assumtion that the thread, so far of what I read, did not get down to the bascis, but is clearly full of shit I have no clue about. But yeah, I see the asshole-ish-ness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaypalmsprings View Post
    Probably, and I immeadiately regret this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandlr View Post
    I'm talking heavy protesting. Not media or person to person outrage. But I may have been totally oblivious to some of it as I was heavily focused on a very difficult semester at the time. I just can't recall much.
    You haven't heard of the Tea party protests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaypalmsprings View Post

    imo, gps has the right idea from my perspective only.


    Of course every human should have the right to health care.
    Drivers are required to have insurance, etc etc.
    In some ways, this already occurs (uninsured trauma cases); of course, not across the board (pre-existing conditions)
    Without some kind of malpractice/tort reform, how can this be fair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faxman75 View Post
    You haven't heard of the Tea party protests?
    I believe I have. Is it not the article shown in link I gave? If so, yes, and its the reason why I started this thread. I really wanted to know why so many people are oppossed to universal health care and where/who are all those who support it.

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    I was really looking forward to what you had to say Tom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandlr View Post
    I believe I have. Is it not the article shown in link I gave? If so, yes, and its the reason why I started this thread. I really wanted to know why so many people are opposed to universal health care and where/who are all those who support it.
    the people that support it are spineless libs who are afraid to be vocal about it because even they're starting to realize what a cockamamie idea it is
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    And your reasons for opposition are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandlr View Post
    And your reasons for opposition are?
    the number one being that socialized healthcare (medicare) is a huge factor in why the healthcare system is as fucked up as it is today
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    Default Re: Lets talk about the health care reform + Obama

    Soo, you're saying, what Obama has to offer will be as shitty as medicare?

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    Obama is 100 times worse than bush. He will continue to pass all legislation with ease becuz 1. He's popular
    2. A minority
    3. Bilberger group is who he worships
    Everyone should ask more questions about his past and not be afraid the more time that passes the harder it will be to take a stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickjagger00 View Post
    Everyone should ask more questions about his past and not be afraid the more time that passes the harder it will be to take a stand.
    QFT. Fuck muslims.

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    The Baucus bill was released today.

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...us20090916.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandlr View Post
    Why the hell would so many people be oppossed to universal health care?
    Quote Originally Posted by Drinkey McDrinkerstein View Post
    the number one being that socialized healthcare (medicare) is a huge factor in why the healthcare system is as fucked up as it is today
    You are confused, Drinkey. You and many other people.

    "universal health care" means health care would be available for everyone. Meaning everyone would have health insurance. This is not the same as "socialized healthcare (medicare)". Achieving universal coverage by expanding private coverage to the uninsured is feasible. This is the approach they take in the Netherlands and it seems to work well for them.

    Also, Medicare is not "healthcare". It is "health insurance". Medicare does not employ doctors or build hospitals. It is a funding mechanism not a care delivery system.

    Finally, what is your factual basis for saying that Medicare is a "huge factor in why the healthcare system is as fucked up as it is"?

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    Fuck 'em both and this thread. . Good Morning.

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    Well it seems the Joe Wilson outburst may or may not have contributed but citizenship verification was added to the healthcare bill last Friday.

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    Personally, I think there are much more important issues that Obama could be dealing with. I don't understand what makes health care reform more important than education, immigration, the economy, the environment, green energy, equality, and our demented prison system. Obama is dismantling something that isn't broken, and will end up costing the country even more money. What makes health insurance a right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSwan View Post
    Obama is dismantling something that isn't broken,
    fail

    Look outside of your situation and you will see why it is important to so many people. I can tell you my roommate Joel had knee and ankle issues that resultred from an accident that caused him to declare bankruptcy and my roommate Cesar broke his ankle 7 weeks ago and is currently tallying up his bills which are headed towards 20K.

    Both work full time jobs however Cesar only was offered supplemental insurance at his job because he is in his first year of employment. Joel currently has zero insurance because he is considered a temp. A temp who has been there a year and a half doing 40+ hours a week.

    I can tell you I have had to drive to mexico to buy asthma medication for my son, even though the state covers children as you change jobs the state drops you from their insurance and leaves you zero grace period before your employement insurance kicks in, hence leaving you without.

    I can also tell you that since my kid was born with chronic asthma there are ZERO insurance companies that were willing ot insure him.

    Pre existing conditions.

    Now, if you don't have kids, you are wealthy, you have great insurance through your employer or are healthy in general, it's not an issue for you. So it wouldn't be your number one priority and if you ask every single american what they think the priority problems are in this county many will have different answers but healthcare is one that effects almost everyone in some way shape or form. We shouldn't have to drive to Mexico to buy affordable prescriptions, people shouldn't be going bankrupt in order to get out of medical debt and insurance companies shouldn't be allowed to refuse you insurance based on a pre existing condition.

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