# Thread: EFF MATH!!

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Originally Posted by shakermaker113
sometimes we find mathematics is wrong and have to correct it.
You should really have your degree taken away.

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My favorite math teacher was in 7th grade....he was a cool short little balding dude, and he brought in his acoustic guitar a lot, and sometimes he would play for us. I remember him belting out a rendition of Come As You Are. It was great.

A few months back I was walking into Target wearing a Nirvana shirt and I saw him walking out and past me...he saw my Nirvana shirt and I think recognized me, but I didn't wanna stop and chat since he was with family and what not.

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My balls itch.

The distance across my four fingers is 2.5 inches. assuming my balls are 1.5 inches in dia., how many passes will it take to cover the entire area?

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Originally Posted by Monklish
If there was nothingness there would still be math? Sorry, that's silly.
of course it is.

Originally Posted by BlackSwan
At the most basic level, math, like everything else, is still dependent on the degree to which humans can accurately perceive existence around them.
No. This is like saying that the universe is dependent on the degree to which humans can accurately perceive it. the universe is going to exist whether we perceive it or not.

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Descartes would have issue with that.

Then again, I don't see him anywhere so I think he might be bullshit.

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He quit thinking.

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Could you express that witticism in the form of a mathematical expression?

Yeah, what's so fucking cool about math now, huh?

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Originally Posted by TomAz
No. This is like saying that the universe is dependent on the degree to which humans can accurately perceive it. the universe is going to exist whether we perceive it or not.
No, it's not. It is like saying that the perceived rules of math maybe inaccurate, or at least not the whole truth.

Either way, once you stopped perceiving reality you would have no way to know whether or not the universe continued to exist.

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Originally Posted by Monklish
Here's my problem with math--teachers are fucking morons.
SERIOUSLY.

i had such a hard time with math in school because of this and outdated textbooks from like 1964 that were so dry and used "real life" situations that had nothing to do with my life. not to mention i had a teacher in high school that refused to speak the number 8 and instead would say "ocho".

but when i came back to college, the books had changed for the better with more visual explanations & better real life examples; however the teachers were the same. they don't know the answer and then give really vague answers when you can't be vague with math. or they'd tell you that you "didn't need to know".

so i just worked out of the book and worked my ass off. i worked every problem i could find in there and got help when i needed it. that was the only way i understood and passed. unfortunately though i don't use it and have lost a lot of it. sometimes at work i have to be refreshed though and i can pick it up again. so to me it is also like a language in the sense that if you don't use it, you lose it rather quickly. someday i hope to reach higher levels of math. what's funny is my current math teacher (who is studying to be an actuary, guy knows his shit when it comes to math) says that foreign language is actually above math as far as difficulty, because at least math has logic to it.

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Originally Posted by BlackSwan
No, it's not. It is like saying that the perceived rules of math maybe inaccurate, or at least not the whole truth.

Either way, once you stopped perceiving reality you would have no way to know whether or not the universe continued to exist.
The perception of math is a different thing than the math itself.

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Originally Posted by TomAz
The perception of math is a different thing than the math itself.
How do you figure humans can know something beyond their own perception of it?

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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that things don't need to be perceived to exist.

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Originally Posted by TomAz
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that things don't need to be perceived to exist.
I agree with that, but I never said they didn't.

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Originally Posted by TomAz
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that things don't need to be perceived to exist.
do things that are perceived to exist, exist then? god, ect?

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why do you keep typing "ect" when you mean "etc"? is this one of those internet things like "teh"?

and no of course not, there are false perceptions.

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i probably just type it incorrectly. it's not an internet thing, sorry.

and you seem awfully certain on such a long-standing philosophical issue there, tom

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I may have misunderstood your question then.

I'm just saying perception of something does not by itself prove (or disprove) that thing's existence. I don't see anything controversial in that statement.

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I'm glad you guys are having a nice little discussion here. I just needed to vent, I understand the importance of math I really do. It really is a kryptonite to me though. I just wish I didnt have to take any classes. And what is really bumming me out is the fact that the class im in now is the one right below first level college algebra. So after I pass this (assuming), I still have TWO more math credits to take. Its just so tough

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Originally Posted by TomAz
If there were no things, if there was nothingness instead of being, mathematics would still exist and still be true. And we don't correct mathematics, we correct our understanding of it.
mathematics is a means of describing reality. it's our perception of reality. I don't see reason to think it is anything more than that.

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Originally Posted by sbessiso
I'm glad you guys are having a nice little discussion here. I just needed to vent, I understand the importance of math I really do. It really is a kryptonite to me though. I just wish I didnt have to take any classes. And what is really bumming me out is the fact that the class im in now is the one right below first level college algebra. So after I pass this (assuming), I still have TWO more math credits to take. Its just so tough
Try finding a tutor, a hot manly tutor.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker113
mathematics is a means of describing reality. it's our perception of reality. I don't see reason to think it is anything more than that.
Be specific. Be concrete. Give me examples. Tell me how Euler's Identity describes reality, and which part of reality does it describe?

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Originally Posted by TomAz
Math is beauty. Math is purity. Math is not subject to interpretation; it is not a social construct; it just is. The rules of mathematics are the same regardless of where you are or what culture you're from or how you write it down. It's one of the core elements of being.
Originally Posted by shakermaker113
it bothers me when people say that. math is just a language. it's a very practical language, but still just a language. math is not god.
Originally Posted by TomAz
This is falsehood. You do not grasp the concept and have come up with this rationalization to justify yourself.
Tom is right, Math is not a language. Languages have base rules too but unlike math, it has the ability to expand, contract or shift to the needs of it's users. Form class words can change, math is just a fixed set of laws.

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Originally Posted by locachica73
Try finding a tutor, a hot manly tutor.
Ha, sage advice. Math might even be fun after that .

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Originally Posted by TomAz
Be specific. Be concrete. Give me examples. Tell me how Euler's Identity describes reality, and which part of reality does it describe?
it describes this part right here. ----->

...I think we are talking about the same things. but what I refer to as 'reality' you refer to as 'mathematics', and what I refer to as 'mathematics' you refer to as 'the perception of mathematics'. if you make that translation we seem to be saying the same exact thing.

I just refuse to refer to a human language as if it is independent of us. it's awfully big headed.

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Originally Posted by boarderwoozel3
Ha, sage advice. Math might even be fun after that .
Hell Yeah!!! I dated a guy that was going to one of the local trade schools, I use to help him study with a very healthy reward system. He aced his tests.

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Originally Posted by boarderwoozel3
math is just a fixed set of laws.
every mathematical system has a fixed set of premises and rules. and mathematicians spend forever learning the implications of those premises. they discover new properties (and prove suspected but previously unproven ones) all the time. math isn't static, we're contantly building upon what we know, and discovering new things. and that's never going to end. math is not just a fixed set of laws.

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Are you familiar with proofs?

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Math once proved that it's impossible for airplanes to fly. Just sayin'.

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No, it was man's misunderstanding and misuse of applied math that led to that conclusion.

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