HIP-HOP 102

[Mr. Dylanja]

I'm in the wrong class. Where is hip hop 101?

Sushy made a thread, all you have to do is go in there and give him shit and you get an A+

[BlueDevil50]

Black Reign was pivitol as a direct response to such statements, and while the argument remains that women are better at cooking and cleaning just as much as "better at singing," it does not make it true. At this time there aren't many female MCs because of the ideology within the hip hop community that she either has to completely abandon her femininity or hypersexualize herself. To say that a woman can't is sexist. To say that there aren't many who can is fact. But in the 90's there were some hard hitters who could go toe to toe with some of your heros. Unfortunately, I'm at work and youtube is blocked... but there will be a dissertation later.

put your bias aside...for one, i never said a female couldn't rap and never compared it to cleaning or cooking. i honestly think, females are better singers than males. and from what i've seen out there now, NO female has shown the ability to rap. who knows, maybe some CAN rap, they just haven't been found yet. i like a few songs here and there, but for the most part, i'm sticking to my statement: female rappers fall short. name all the great rappers ever...now try to throw a female rapper in that category. impossible...

i do like "push it" though

[allyjoy]

and ally...no, no, no...female rappers are horrible. this is a genre that they should just stay out of. the best female rapper couldn't ride the coat tails of hip hop's worst male. sorry

you said what now?

[Mr. Dylanja]

[BlueDevil50]

grrr....yaya, you know what i mean. i didn't MEAN anything sexist. i'd be all for a legit female rapper..i juuuuuust don't see it. sorry ma'am. i love women. i love women in music. i just don't think they should rap, given their track record. once again, if one decides to step her game up and go for the gold, i'm all for it. outta all the females these days, i like jean grae the most. still, she's only mediocre.

[BlueDevil50]

and stop trying to make this a sexist or racist thing. you are a black female correct?


all it boils down to is female rappers are subpar.

[MikeyMatador]

Well I got my 2 cents on this thread. Being a long time hip-hop fan dating back to the late 80's, mostly because of 2 older brothers that endured the early hip-hop stages. Now here i go....Dlo failed to mention some amazing artists, that I know he may not feel great about, but im shocked they were not mentions in this thread Dlo.

FIRST and foremost..Del The funky homosapien, aka deltron 3030, aka del. Now this man has dont it all, rapped about hard and good times, hell even 3030 was a completly made up future which he in fact made up words to go along with rhymes. He he def among the best hiphop artist of all time imo.

Now to respond to the "greatest of all time". Ya nwa, pac, biggie are def right there. But no mention of Public enemy? Im not a big fan, but the respect is there and you cant argue the fact that they were fucking HUGE in there time. Not sure wat else to say about public but ya...they were the shit...if only i wasnt 7 when they were huge.....

I got to open some more presents here in a minute...but ill just mention one more for ya dlo....BIG L! word...be back lata

[MikeyMatador]

o i almost forgot...Lil kim, lady rage and foxy brown were def ill rappers. Regardless of their sex they killed the mic.

[Trick Loves The Kids]

Young Jeezy - The Recession best rap album of the year

[Mr. Dylanja]

This concludes the first lesson. I know I've unjustly excluded some greats such as A Tribe Called Quest and De La Sol among others in this first section, please forgive me. I will do my best to update and add on in the coming days....

....Dlo failed to mention some amazing artists, that I know he may not feel great about, but im shocked they were not mentions in this thread Dlo.

Now to respond to the "greatest of all time". Ya nwa, pac, biggie are def right there. But no mention of Public enemy?

I got to open some more presents here in a minute...but ill just mention one more for ya dlo....BIG L!

You're just as bad as the cop, Mikey

[MikeyMatador]

who is the cop and why was that post bad :P

[BlueDevil50]

You're just as bad as the cop, Mikey

so you never said why you hate cops so much. i'm starting to feel sorry for you bud...

[Mr. Dylanja]

You're not my bud, pal! Please go taint the 101 thread.

[BlueDevil50]

You're not my bud, pal! Please go taint the 101 thread.

woah...take it easy chief!

i used to think you're cool, so just cuz you hate the po, doesn't mean i'm gonna hate you now. it's ok mijo...it's ok.

[MikeyMatador]

hahah, fuck that guy, u know my feelings on hip hop dlo and i thought ud put those artists on the top just like me

[MikeyMatador]

blue devil heres a nice video for u sir.


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[MikeyMatador]

k well i dont know how to post a vid in here so click on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro08bILEvqc

[Mr. Dylanja]

Click the youtube icon and post whatever is after the equal sign on the url.

And if you read the bold I said I missed some greats, I'm sorry I didn't include every artist I've ever like on my hip hop post at 1am on xmas night!

[MikeyMatador]

haha no i know, i just mistyped i think, i was just adding in the ones u missed

[BlueDevil50]

how original =)

keyboard courage prick.

[MikeyMatador]

this forum is srs bizness, didnt u know?

[BlueDevil50]

werd.

[allyjoy]

...but female rappers have never been as good. nothing sexist about it. females are better singers in my opinion, just rap...ehhhh.

...At this time there aren't many female MCs because of the ideology within the hip hop community that she either has to completely abandon her femininity or hypersexualize herself. To say that a woman can't is sexist. To say that there aren't many who can is fact....

... i didn't MEAN anything sexist. i'd be all for a legit female rapper... i just don't think they should rap, given their track record. ... i like jean grae the most. still, she's only mediocre.

and stop trying to make this a sexist or racist thing. you are a black female correct?


all it boils down to is female rappers are subpar

First and foremost, what does my being a black female have to do with my arguments regarding female MCs? I gave you the advice after your first post to "shut the fuck up." You didn't. Instead, you chose to dig yourself deeper into a hole and then accuse me of calling you sexist/racist. Which I never did. My argument is to say that female MCs not having any merit within the hip hop community is a stupid statement. I don't give a shit if you're sexist, racist, homophobic, or whatever. If you can't see the value of Lyte As A Rock or Black Reign or Jeanius then you are missing out on an integral part of the narrative of hip hop. I made no claims that every bitch that picks up a mic is worthy of the title MC. I said, there are women artists who are sick and can and do run with the dudes that you're claiming are gods in the hip hop community.

[All Your Base]

God the tools are out in force today. Don't sweat it ally. Lyte as a Rock was a good album.

[BlueDevil50]

First and foremost, what does my being a black female have to do with my arguments regarding female MCs? I gave you the advice after your first post to "shut the fuck up." You didn't. Instead, you chose to dig yourself deeper into a hole and then accuse me of calling you sexist/racist. Which I never did. My argument is to say that female MCs not having any merit within the hip hop community is a stupid statement. I don't give a shit if you're sexist, racist, homophobic, or whatever. If you can't see the value of Lyte As A Rock or Black Reign or Jeanius then you are missing out on an integral part of the narrative of hip hop. I made no claims that every bitch that picks up a mic is worthy of the title MC. I said, there are women artists who are sick and can and do run with the dudes that you're claiming are gods in the hip hop community.

ok...start from the beginning. you said some females could go toe to toe with some of my hip hop "gods." i beg to differ...they wouldn't stand a chance. and realistically, you can't look at hip hop and say "ohhhh we wouldn't have this or that, without that female rapper," as opposed to a rakim or krs-one.

also, i just got a sense of you being bias since you only suggested female rappers. don't care to go much more down that road, it wasn't my full topic.

[BlueDevil50]

God the tools are out in force today. Don't sweat it ally. Lyte as a Rock was a good album.

as for you...really? i'm not picking a fight with ally or anything, she's good people in my book. and if you really wanna take her side, you can do more to defend female rappers then to say one lp is "good." if more people here think there are any GREAT female rappers, speak up. or you can back up the guy that said lil kim lol

[SoulDischarge]

the best female rapper couldn't ride the coat tails of hip hop's worst male. sorry...

You can't really defend that statement as being not sexist.

[BlueDevil50]

You can't really defend that statement as being not sexist.

no way in my heart is that sexist. i'd LOVE for a chick mc, to shut me up. i thought jean grae could do it but...not so much.

i like some female rappers...but they just aren't good enough. throw out a name?

in no way, am i trying to be a dick about this. i'd love to hear other views, not just talk shit. i used to really love hip hop but kinda faded away these past couple years.

[psychoc&ndy]

alright, enough with the female mc subject. what i think it boils down to is that the general audience wants to hear a male mc; its not about who has better talent, its the fact that female emcees (for the most part) just do not appeal to the general hip hop audience. that being said, let us please continue with relative hip hop discussions. pete rock, madlib, dr. dre, 9th wonder, and ant are geniuses, i don't care what anyone says. you make a beat as good as half their shit and i will suck your dick. anyways i have a few questions, and i'm going to start with this...

My first question will be in a "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" format:

RJD2 is

A. shouldn't be near a drum machine, nonetheless naming himself after a star wars robot
B. is chill, but wouldn't tell my kid about him and his white boy "hip hop" beats
C. needs to tell me where i can find such amazing records for sampling
D. rips off DJ Shadow
or...
E. makes Dj Shadow proud



....well?
it is multiple choice so take your pick

[All Your Base]

alright, enough with the female mc subject. what i think it boils down to is that the general audience wants to hear a male mc; its not about who has better talent, its the fact that female emcees (for the most part) just do not appeal to the general hip hop audience. that being said, let us please continue with relative hip hop discussions. pete rock, madlib, dr. dre, 9th wonder, and ant are geniuses, i don't care what anyone says. you make a beat as good as half their shit and i will suck your dick. anyways i have a few questions, and i'm going to start with this...

My first question will be in a "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" format:

RJD2 is

A. shouldn't be near a drum machine, nonetheless naming himself after a star wars robot
B. is chill, but wouldn't tell my kid about him and his white boy "hip hop" beats
C. needs to tell me where i can find such amazing records for sampling
D. rips off DJ Shadow
or...
E. makes Dj Shadow proud



....well?
it is multiple choice so take your pick

C & D?

Some of his stuff is kinda bland, but the stuff he did for MF Doom was top notch, as was the stuff for Soul Position.

He's off on some ol' other shit now....apparently we wants to produce Indy rock records or some such thing.