That Al Jazeera article has the clearest and most accurate explanation (in terms of what was actually done and how that differs from jamming), that I've read so far in news articles.
It is a shame that attention is being directed to the way in which the protest was thwarted and less attention is being paid to the actual issue that was being protested.
? What would be a suprefan move in this situation?
I'm not sure that this photo in particular would play well in the Red states*. I'm also pretty sure I might die of sunburn.
In the wireless network analogy, it would be more like you and your neighbour made an agreement to share the connection so you didn't bother getting your own, and then after for four years of this they cut you off without warning one night because they could hear you playing your Bon Jovi youtubes. I mean, it is technically their connection, but it's still a dick move.
Oh, I know you said it. I was agreeing with you. Guess it didn't come across that way. I was trying to clarify that my stance wasn't that the shooting shouldn't have been protested. I just get aggravated when people say something like this was "against the constitution."
I was on a BART train yesterday that did not stop at Civic Center because of the protest. It doesn't impact me in any way because I don't get off at that stop, but the size of the protest itself was kind of laughable. Maybe it got bigger, because by the time I was in Oakland there was news that Powell was shut down, too. I'm still waiting to be convinced on the effectiveness of protesting in this particular way about this specific problem.
Edit: These two reports also speak to the fact that there couldn't have been more than 150 protestors.
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Nice find Cara. In the KQED article, the ACLU raises some interesting points, but I have to agree with the UCLA professor regarding the apparent legality of shutting down the repeaters. In addition, I also agree that the type of disruptive protest planned and previously executed was illegal in nature as well. Not only did this type of protest put at risk the lives of BART personnel, commuters, protestors, Police and potential EMS personnel, it muddied the waters regarding the actual issue at hand, which is still under investigation. The fact that the protestors quickly resorted to guerrilla tactics is not only a testament to how few supporters they actual have, but says something about their willingness to endanger the very lives they are supposed to be protecting via their protests.
10/29 Hot Chip @ The Fox Theatre
11/07 Rufus Du Sol @ The Mezzanine (?)
11/13 Mr Little Jeans @ The Rickshaw Stop
11/20 Keep Shelly in Athens @ Awaken
I was on vacation and missed this last week but I was inconvenienced by having to skip the closed Civic Center yesterday. When they announced on the train that they closed the station due to a protest I thought "well shit that sucks, no I have to fucking walk back up from fucking Van Ness to get my #17 from Tu Lan." I didn't think, "holy shit my civil rights are being trod upon, how dare they violate my right to use the Civic Center platform." And loss of use of the cell phone repeaters are even less of an issue then them restricting you from exiting a train IMO.
I wasn't impressed by the ACLU guy in that article. His analogy of shutting down a park to stop a protest doesn't really follow the argument about cell phone repeaters. Nobody prevented them from assembling.
When a flight attendant orders you to turn off your cell phone on the tarmac, is she violating your constitutional rights? If the in-flight wifi doesn't work, can you sue them?
I agree with fikus. As the ACLU guy admitted, you don't have a 1st amendment right to endanger other people's lives. They said they did it to protect safety, which makes a lot of sense and it's kind of ridiculous to call them liars out of hand.
Science Festival! http://sfappeal.com/news/2011/08/pel...ience-fest.php
It mostly looks kid oriented but I like this!
Science Pub Crawl – Friday 11/4 6-9 PM
Some of the greatest scientific discoveries and discussions originated in local bars and cafes. The Bay Area Science Festival takes the conversation into our bars and cafes with an epic evening of scientific merriment. Enjoy the lighter side of science, from nerd speed dating to cocktail science.
Also your post made me think "SCIENCE!" a la Dolby.
BART has spent $300,000 on the protests this summer. Cool.
No Justice No BART is planning another protest for Thursday — but with a new twist. The plan, according to Cantor, is to block the fare gates at the Powell Street station, forcing BART to open the emergency exits and let passengers in for free. It’s an attempt to win back support from riders who’ve become irate at having their commutes repeatedly disrupted.
Source: The Bay Citizen (http://s.tt/13cLz)
By disrupting their commute further. Makes sense.
Yeah but the next time a BART police doesn't shoot a crazy homeless person in the face, then it will all have been worth it.
I thought it was in the abdomen...?
But don't these ragtag retarded Robin Hoods get how BART works?
All these people who get on without pushing their ticket have to get off somewhere and eventually push a ticket through a gate at another station. Are they assuming BART is going to have to shut down their entire systemwide gate system and just let everyone on for free no matter where they are just in case they got on or will get off at Powell?
They're just going to end up closing down that station again, and it's going to be really fucking annoying. This manner of protest starts to make me more pissed off at the protesters than at BART police.
I also feel like blocking off entrances/exits is a relatively unsafe means of protesting.
The people whose safety they're protecting the most at this point are the protesters themselves. I've seen these guys march down Mission St twice since this crap has started. One guy who was stopped in a car at the Duboce exit would have beaten a couple of them bloody without their police escort.
Perhaps they will bring baked goods to win the hearts and minds of the commuters like myself who hate their fucking guts.
This is a no win proposition. Their approach is horribly flawed, despite the appropriateness of the statement being made.
And, in the end, we need BART to remain around (because if they were actually competent enough to organize even just a one-day boycott, that would cripple BART financially). We just need their police to be less murderous. On that note, why not go after the division responsible for hiring BART police?! It's totally fuckall.
Shoot the BART Police, show them how it feels.