I do not recall anyone discouraging people from educational aspirations, although I do think it is a little crazy for an 18 year old who just went through 12 years of school to decide what they want to do with the rest of their lives, commit thousands and thousands of their future salary and 4+ years of their time without knowing for sure. I know people who have master degrees in whatever it is they decided to go to school for and either hate thier jobs because they felt pressured to make that choice at such a young age or they do something completely different then what they went to school for.
i have heard that most people don't end up working in the field that their degree is in. so this idea of 'what they want to do for the rest of their lives' is bogus. like i said before, college is not vocational school, and it's not just about segueing into a job.
Ok let me break it down for you buddy.
If you take the same person with the same DNA and send them to college they are going to learn more. But if you took two different people you wouldn't know whose smarter.
To make it easier for you to understand edit my post and instead of "average person" put "Person X". Then read the 2nd statement where i say "smarter than the next man or woman. It should click in your mental now.
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It wouldn't hurt, in fact it is absolutely a plus in the working world. But that does not mean someone is smarter because they have a degree. The previous president of the multi million dollar company I work for who retired and made more money then anyone I know was the smartest person I have ever met. He could take any contract and read it and find any and all loop holes that could possibly come back and bite us in the ass. The person who replaced him, who went all the way in college, has nothing on the other guy.
There are many circumstances that can make it impossible for someone to go to college, it does not make them less smart then someone who's family has the money to put them through school.
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If going to college isn't to segue into a job then please enlighten me what it is about. Is it so you can tell people who didn't go to college that you are smarter?
i will take that question as sarcasm.
certainly, having a degree will benefit your chances of getting a better-paying or cushier-than-average job. that's not something i would deny. but did you consider that perhaps becoming more educated is an end in itself? increasing your knowledge, learning to think critically, to think in new ways, from new points of view... this can only enrich your life, and in turn the lives of those around you. and the net effect on all of society is undeniable; a well-read and educated populous is preferable than the alternative.
i dunno, this seems obvious to me like it doesn't need further explanation...?
There are many circumstances that can make it impossible for someone to go to college, it does make them less smart then someone who's family has the money to put them through school.
that's such a cop out. the families who dont "have the money" often get their entire educations paid for by grant money, while the kids of those who make too much to qualify for aid pay back college loans for years.
As someone who has a graduate degree and taught undergraduates for a period of time, I have given a fair amount of thought to the value of education and its correlation to intelligence.
I think what's tripping up quite a few of you in this thread is that you have no specific, concrete definition of intelligence. Surely, someone who is able to perform well academically exhibits a certain type of intelligence, but it may not be the same type of intelligence as someone who exhibits street smarts. Howard Gardner's theory on multiple intelligences has been quite influential in my own thinking on what it means to be "smart."
Higher education teaches a very specific set of academic-related skills. These skills may or may not be applicable in the real world after graduation, largely dependent on the type of education you receive and the type of job you choose. I tend to advocate a liberal arts undergraduate experience, because it emphasizes critical thought process (which I believe is highly useful throughout life) over pre-professional training, but that's a personal choice. In any case, a college-educated person is nearly always going to finish the experience with increased fluency in the specific set of academic-related skills taught to them. Whether or not this counts as an increased intelligence is dependent on your definition of intelligence.
As to the question of whether the average college-educated person is more intelligent than the non-college educated person, that's trickier to say. My gut says that yes, the average college-educated person is probably more intelligent, given that being (a certain kind of book-)smart makes K-12 school easier which would mean you might be more encouraged to go to college. However, I think that there are certainly outliers who are too smart for their educational setting to handle, who would be bored and less likely to seek out higher education. I also think that there are lots of people who are all different kinds of "smart" in ways unrecognized by the traditional educational system.