Yeah I worded that very wrong. My point in that was that Jamaal Charles is a top tier RB and the workhorse of that offense. Put Frank in that same position and the numbers probably wouldn't be as high nor would he have lasted the season. Put Joe Flacco in at the Broncos and he's probably not going to have the same number of yards as Peyton. Alex Smith's numbers excelled because he had a better system around him to tailor to his skillset. Andy Reid loves WC football and Smith is better suited to that style. Smith did play very well against the Colts in the playoffs. Just like he did against the Saints in the playoffs two years ago. Exception to the norm.
But I do disagree about how there was nothing remarkable about the words themselves. Calling himself the greatest, no big deal. Airing personal dirty laundry about other players, that's got to be shamed.
Pretty good guess, Tom.
Your dog came back into town and bit the hand that used to beat him. You can't play the victim card here.
"I learned it by watching you, dad!"
2/24 - Swans = 2/26 - Corners = 3/1 - Sleater-Kinney = 3/8 - the Church = 3/16 - Swervedriver = 4/4 - Tobacco = 4/10-12 - Coachella 1
4/14 - Jenny Lewis = 4/15 - the War on Drugs = 4/17-19 - Coachella 2 = 4/21 - Protomartyr = 5/8-10 - Levitation Austin = 5/14 - the Antlers = 7/17-19 - Pitchfork
It pains me to agree with Fourthisto
Yeah it was a simple pick play that turned sour. You don't send in your smallest and best receiver in to try and hurt someone..
On the drive just before Talib got hurt. New England did the exact same thing to Rodgers Cromartie. Only difference is Cromartie isn't a bitch like Talib and Belichick.
I used to think it was only the racists (and I include those who refer to a Stanford graduate with a vacant criminal record as a "thug" or "gangsta" or "hood" rat in that distinction) who owed Richard Sherman an apology for their reactions to his post-game outburst.
Now I'm thinking that all of us who referred to him as classless, bad sport, jerk, asshole (the word I used), et. al., do. At the 00:45 mark, he makes an absolutely gracious gesture of telling a guy he apparently hates "hell of a game", with what appears to be a genuine handshake and a genuine "wtf?" reaction at the face shove that follows....I have NO problem with Sherman's subsequent comments in this context.
It's easy as fuck for me to push aside the glorious Skip Bayless takedown and focus on his repellent qualities when he's the face/mouthpiece of a Pete Carroll team (which I have historically disliked, due to prior AFC West rivalry, the loathsomely dispassionate Shaun Alexander, and Matt "we're gonna take the ball and score, yeah!" Hasselbeck) that is about to square off with the Broncos in the Super Bowl. But this seals it - if Sherman played for Denver, I'd be wearing his jersey right now.
I'm not even objective - I've genuinely disliked Richard Sherman almost since I became aware of his existence. I think a lot of his trash-talk in off-field settings comes off desperate, and his delivery is usually too stilted to be entertaining. I will absolutely be rooting for Demaryius Thomas to put a clown suit on him in 9 days. I also stashed Crabtree on my fantasy team in week 8, and he was my leading playoff receiver on my way to a league championship.
All that being said, Sherman is easily one of the top 3-5 CB's in the league (possibly #1), and his reaction in that scenario was totally appropriate.
I can't wait to see him match up with Demaryius. I think you'll see a lot of mutual respect between those two players. I'm curious to see how many times Peyton challenges Sherman.
I am not defending Crabtree's actions of pushing Sherman in the face at all he shouldn't have done that. However I think Sherman needs to just stay away from Crabtree at that point. Wait until after the game and not right after that play where Crabtree is still dealing with the worst moment in his career. As for Sherman saying good game like I have no idea if it was sincere or not but what is important is how Crabtree perceived it. If Crabtree perceived it as a sarcastic thing as they hate each other and thinks Sherman is just rubbing it in his face then while I don't agree with the shoving of Sherman's face I at least understand it. If he did think it was a sincere good game and still hit in him the face then yes that makes Crabtree a bitch. That being said I still feel it is fine for people to think he is a classless asshole because this still doesn't let him off the hook for giving the choke signal to Kaepernick or any of the other stuff he has done so far in his career.
What is also funny though there was more mic'd up footage from the game and before his interview he is perfectly calm and even hugging Erin Andrews being perfectly happy and then once the interview started boom that happens. While I am still not sure of Sherman's remark to Crabtree were sarcastic or not he was very sincere with other players on the 49ers and even told LaMichael James to tell Bowman he wishes him the best with his injury and what not.
A) he was taunting. How idiotic is it to run up to a player IMMEDIATELY after getting up and patting a guy who just lost an opportunity to win the game (whom you have a documented beef with no less), pat him on his ass and get right in his face and yell "helluva game". While it was clear the game was over, it still wasn't the end of regulation. This wasn't players casually meeting in the middle of the field after the final whistle. Again it was IMMEDIATELY after jumping up after making the play and rushing to get into his face. That reeks of smart ass.
B) he was genuine. Still equally idiotic. He has a habit of doing this and he's gotten popped for it in the past. Even if you're being sportsmanlike (and again I seriously doubt he was), at least wait until the game is over before you go jumping in the face of the man you just beat to "congratulate" him. This is a lesson he's had a chance to learn many times before and he's not learning it.
The shame is if he had just left Crabtree's name out and just talked about how great he is he'd be a hero. None of the bullshit "thug" crap would have ever come up. And BTW extremely few if any people used the word thug until he himself used the word in his statement the next day. The "thug" argument is a straw man.
But in the end the most irritating thing about all of this is it wasn't supposed to be a big deal. The guy was super emotional. It's an easily forgivable thing. But everyone is raging that it was somehow the proper thing to do. If seahawks fans just admitted "yeah it was kind of punk but we don't care" then it would have taken the fire out of the whole debate. But the momentum has created this big racial issue out of it. And people are conflating that with the simpler issue of it just being a classless statement. He gaffed. It's wasn't that noteworthy.
Last edited by jackstraw94086; 01-23-2014 at 07:43 PM.
I am not a 49er fan and could care less about them. I don't really have a ton of empathy for the fair weather 49er fans anyway.
Arguing against the "thug" argument is also a straw man.
1. I only listed the criminal connotations as examples of the out-of-bounds insults I've seen lobbed at Sherman; I didn't think I needed to highlight all the N-bombs and simian references, but they're easy to find.
2. The racist component wasn't really the point of my post.
Also, why do you even care about this other than it being Yet Another Reason to keyboard fight oh I get it.
The sky is blue.
This was fantastic marketing by Sherman who, not coincidentally, is promoting Beats by Dre headphones and starring in a commercial that has the same theme as what's been happening over the past few days.
It could also be a reason why Sherman was so quick to get defensive about the use of the word "thug" (which does have racial implications in many instances), which is the same word with which he took offense in the commercial.
Man, your comebacks are the weakest.
I don't care much except for the fun in reflecting self-righteous indignation sparked by what had no right to be anything more than throwaway comment by some dude on a sideline. But since folks want to argue about it... why not.
The arguments are all the same. Because someone called him a name, obviously that name is what EVERYONE's thinking, it's symptomatic of deep seated problems with American culture that only a few very brave bloggers have the temerity to point out on the internet. Sherman's lucky to have at least THEIR support.
Last edited by jackstraw94086; 01-23-2014 at 08:21 PM.
The words "extremely few" was meant to be relative. Because THIS happened immediately after. If you want to actually contribute some substance and discuss this go ahead. So far you're just fumbling around trying to insult me before actually knowing anything at all about this it seems.