Do you trust the government?

[shaggyduck]

Since no one has even voted on this yet, I will have to assume it will be an overwhelming vote for NO.

This is funny to me, because so many people still accept the explanation that the Bush Administration and their 9/11 Cover-Up Commission provided.

BUILDING 7?? Not even mentioned in there.

LOL. Some people still think Oswald killed JFK with a magic bullet!!

[betao]

Your name wouldn't happen to be Edwin, would it?...

[shaggyduck]

No. Is that some sort of referential joke?

[BrettShipes]

I only trust my mother and the guy that invented pesto.

[Cpt. Funkaho]

Wa wa wa Roswell wa wa wa Trilateral Commission wa wa wa Bilderberg Group wa wa wa HAARP wa wa wa 9/11 Was An Inside Job wa wa wa The Moon Landings Were Faked wa wa wa Grassy Knoll wa wa wa REX-84 wa wa wa New World Order wa wa wa Paul Is Dead wa wa wa Skull And Bones Society wa wa wa Black Helicopters wa wa wa Freemasons wa wa wa Illuminati...

Jesus H. Christ, the world would be so much more interesting if even five percent of that shit were true.

EDIT: Forgot to add Heinlein's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

[shaggyduck]

The Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, HAARP, 9/11 Crimes, Grassy Knoll, REX-84, New World Order, Skull And Bones Society, Freemasons, and Illuminati are all real events, organizations, or programs.

Are you really that ignorant?

It's funny that you thow in Paul is Dead like that some how eliminates the reality of the other subjects.

I guess Enron was a hoax too and Saddam really did have WMDs. Oh, and I bet you think Nixon was given a raw deal. Right???

LOL. You voted YES. Well, it's like I always say... Somebody's gotta run the camps.

[fatbastard]

I can't reply through this medium. They're watching.

[Blinken]

Wow, i don't trust the government because of their stupidity. But most of the conspiracy theories are much more retarded. If you look at the other pictures of building 7 it looks like a fucking ice cream scopper scopped out a corner of the building that is why it went down. Do some fucking real research. I bet you think the moon landing was fake too?

[algunz]

This should be a multiple choice poll.

[shaggyduck]

Wow, i don't trust the government because of their stupidity. But most of the conspiracy theories are much more retarded. If you look at the other pictures of building 7 it looks like a fucking ice cream scopper scopped out a corner of the building that is why it went down. Do some fucking real research. I bet you think the moon landing was fake too?

Actually the picture you are referring to isn't even Building 7. That's been exposed.

You know, it's this kind of attitude that is killing the rights of citizens in this country and across the world.

If you think the gov't is stupid, then they are doing a great job. You think Bush is the top guy in charge? LOL. Do you even understand how the international banks work? Do you understand what the Federal Reserve system is?

I have done "fucking real research." Maybe you should.

Anyone who has any specific issues or questions that they want to talk about. Feel free to ask. Don't make retarded assumptions about what I believe or what I think is true. It only makes you look ignorant.

[algunz]

"Don't be so glib."

[shaggyduck]

Srsly

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

It depends on the government....

[shaggyduck]

I don't trust any gov't. I believe in power of the people.

"I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."
-Thomas Jefferson

"Power is not alluring to pure minds."
-Thomas Jefferson

[allyjoy]

Why is there no option for governments and how we're governed needing work, but an infrastructure is necessary for any group of people

[Blinken]

Ok so lets just say that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. Do you know the amount of it takes for a controlled demolition? The explosives for a controlled demo need to placed on the steel struts, this means you have drill through the concrete to place the explosives. This a loud and messy procedure that is not easy to hide. True they could just use larger explosives, but then we would have seen the blasts.(air shooting out as the building collapses does not count as a blast) It is not something that could be set up in hours, like some people who claimed that the order to "pull" the building was given. The "pull" order actually had to do with the fire department pulling their men out of the building. NO one who brings buildings down for a living uses the term "pull" it just sounds good on the interwebs.

One last thing, IF the governement wanted to create a "false flag op" then wouldn't be much easier to hire the highjackers and get them to just commit the attacks. Why go through the hassle of controlled demolitions? Less people would be involved which fewer loose ends. This could be done with a few CIA agents and be the end of it. But no you truth people make this intricate plot that would never be done because it is too fucking absurd and complex to hide. The only part of the movement i would be willing to accept is that they knew the attacks were coming and decided to do nothing.

[stinkbutt]

Damn and I thought you were annoying before

[shaggyduck]

Why is there no option for governments and how we're governed needing work, but an infrastructure is necessary for any group of people

I'm not suggesting anarchy. I simply don't trust the gov't.

That's the reason why Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founders created a system with "Checks and Balances."

If you honestly believe this country currently lives under the rights guaranteed under the Constitution, maybe you should try reading it again.

This government is totally corrupt and criminal in the highest roosts.

[shaggyduck]

Ok so lets just say that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. Do you know the amount of it takes for a controlled demolition? The explosives for a controlled demo need to placed on the steel struts, this means you have drill through the concrete to place the explosives. This a loud and messy procedure that is not easy to hide. True they could just use larger explosives, but then we would have seen the blasts.(air shooting out as the building collapses does not count as a blast) It is not something that could be set up in hours, like some people who claimed that the order to "pull" the building was given. The "pull" order actually had to do with the fire department pulling their men out of the building. NO one who brings buildings down for a living uses the term "pull" it just sounds good on the interwebs.

One last thing, IF the governement wanted to create a "false flag op" then wouldn't be much easier to hire the highjackers and get them to just commit the attacks. Why go through the hassle of controlled demolitions? Less people would be involved which fewer loose ends. This could be done with a few CIA agents and be the end of it. But no you truth people make this intricate plot that would never be done because it is too fucking absurd and complex to hide. The only part of the movement i would be willing to accept is that they knew the attacks were coming and decided to do nothing.

I'm not claiming to have all the answers as to how they did what they did or what actually occured. And for the record, I believe there were Hijackers, some if not all were probably unaware of the gov't involvement. Most terrorist organizations are controlled and funded by western intelligence agencies.

The important thing for me... THEY GAVE US A STORY. THAT STORY HAS A LOT OF HOLES.

I don't know what happended, but I know what didn't happen.

[Mockingbird73]

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

[Blinken]

Every story will have holes if you look hard enough for them.

[TeamCoachellaHellYeah]

some governments actually do things for their public.
Notice how well run Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Norway are....the politicians in Sweden don't even have body guards or escorts to ferry them around the country...granted the taxes are insanely high..but you get all the benefits: GOOD universal health care, GOOD universal education even though university, very little corruption (if any), fantastic infrastructure (high gas prices? Take the train, bus or bike! 25% of folks living in Copenhagen commute to work by BIKE!). of course these are all small countries and it is alot easier to maintain them when they are small as oppose to a vast country like the US.

[allyjoy]

I'm not suggesting anarchy. I simply don't trust the gov't.

That's the reason why Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founders created a system with "Checks and Balances."

If you honestly believe this country currently lives under the rights guaranteed under the Constitution, maybe you should try reading it again.

This government is totally corrupt and criminal in the highest roosts.

Well you can't expect too much from a group of founders who thought that bargaining slaves for greater representation of southern plantation owners to ratify this series of checks and balances was a good idea... you're not selling your contradiction at all.

Whether or not you agree with how our government is managed, you have to give credit in that it changes and adapts with its constituents to some degree, but the government is not going to care about a people who do not invest their time in it. If we don't hold accountable our legislators and continue to have this apathetic and distrustful view towards those in power, we cannot expect that group of people to have our interests in mind. The whole point of the Constitution was to create a government of, for & by the people. The Constitution made little to no limits on the individual and focused on what the government and any agent of it can and cannot due. The Bill of Rights, which everyone holds up as the Dead Sea Scrolls of Democracy do not actually give you any rights, it just limits how the government can infringe upon yours. Moreover, the complaints that we have about how our rights are being stripped away or the amount of taxes we have to pay are not the fault of our government, they are our own. Being in this country in particular allows people to forget that the only person that they can count on for change is his/herself. To easily place blame on some man behind the curtain is cowardly and stupid. If you cared, you'd become involved rather than bitching on a message board. Write a letter to your Congressperson and fucking vote, or shut the fuck up. The greatest checks and balance come from the citizens of a nation.

[stinkbutt]

Sean Penn is that you?

[shaggyduck]

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Exactly.

[shaggyduck]

Well you can't expect too much from a group of founders who thought that bargaining slaves for greater representation of southern plantation owners to ratify this series of checks and balances was a good idea... you're not selling your contradiction at all.

Whether or not you agree with how our government is managed, you have to give credit in that it changes and adapts with its constituents to some degree, but the government is not going to care about a people who do not invest their time in it. If we don't hold accountable our legislators and continue to have this apathetic and distrustful view towards those in power, we cannot expect that group of people to have our interests in mind. The whole point of the Constitution was to create a government of, for & by the people. The Constitution made little to no limits on the individual and focused on what the government and any agent of it can and cannot due. The Bill of Rights, which everyone holds up as the Dead Sea Scrolls of Democracy do not actually give you any rights, it just limits how the government can infringe upon yours. Moreover, the complaints that we have about how our rights are being stripped away or the amount of taxes we have to pay are not the fault of our government, they are our own. Being in this country in particular allows people to forget that the only person that they can count on for change is his/herself. To easily place blame on some man behind the curtain is cowardly and stupid. If you cared, you'd become involved rather than bitching on a message board. Write a letter to your Congressperson and fucking vote, or shut the fuck up. The greatest checks and balance come from the citizens of a nation.

You got me! All I do is bitch and moan on message boards!! LOL

I'm not claiming the founders are perfect. But the US Consitution is pretty darn close. I don't need a document to GIVE me rights. I have rights. They are inalienable. DUH

The problem with people like you and Sean Penn, is that you fail to see the system is a fraud. Voting, and supporting the 2 party system is just running the rat maze.

Honestly, there is little we can do as long as people are just bickering and busy fighting with each other.

The International banks have a firm grasp on control, and unfortunately I can't really do anything about that.

I try to focus on smaller problems. This poll wasn't started to change the world. I just wanted to make a thread to talk about gov't corruption. SOoooooooRyy.

[Blinken]

The problem with people like you and Sean Penn, is that you fail to see the system is a fraud. Voting, and supporting the 2 party system is just running the rat maze.

THEN VOTE THIRD PARTY!!!!!!!!

[stinkbutt]

THEN VOTE THIRD PARTY!!!!!!!!

Yeah what he said

[allyjoy]

You got me! All I do is bitch and moan on message boards!! LOL

I'm not claiming the founders are perfect. But the US Consitution is pretty darn close. I don't need a document to GIVE me rights. I have rights. They are inalienable. DUH

The problem with people like you and Sean Penn, is that you fail to see the system is a fraud. Voting, and supporting the 2 party system is just running the rat maze.

Honestly, there is little we can do as long as people are just bickering and busy fighting with each other.

The International banks have a firm grasp on control, and unfortunately I can't really do anything about that.

I try to focus on smaller problems. This poll wasn't started to change the world. I just wanted to make a thread to talk about gov't corruption. SOoooooooRyy.

Then if you do not want to change the world, stop trying to villainize those who are willing to do so-- for good or bad. They at least have the tenacity to put their viewpoints and their lives on the line, be under public scrutiny, and make decisions that affect millions of people. And what is so wrong with wanting to change the world? Yes, focus on smaller issues and let it grow into something that very well could influence the entire globe. But, to sit back with this "holier than thou" mentality of how everyone else is just a sheep or drone, and you are the only person who understands how "wrong" and "evil" our government is, is ridiculous because in the end it is those very same sheeps and drones who get their bills passed and their issues addressed while you sit at home researching the 9/11 conspiracy and bitching.

I don't know... this just frustrates me-- that people can be so outspoken in their beliefs and impotent in their actions.

[shaggyduck]

Then if you do not want to change the world, stop trying to villainize those who are willing to do so-- for good or bad. They at least have the tenacity to put their viewpoints and their lives on the line, be under public scrutiny, and make decisions that affect millions of people. And what is so wrong with wanting to change the world? Yes, focus on smaller issues and let it grow into something that very well could influence the entire globe. But, to sit back with this "holier than thou" mentality of how everyone else is just a sheep or drone, and you are the only person who understands how "wrong" and "evil" our government is, is ridiculous because in the end it is those very same sheeps and drones who get their bills passed and their issues addressed while you sit at home researching the 9/11 conspiracy and bitching.

I don't know... this just frustrates me-- that people can be so outspoken in their beliefs and impotent in their actions.

Unfortunately most people are sheep.

I never said i didn't want to change the world. I said I didn't start this poll to change the world.

I'm not villianizing anyone except the villians. I don't really see how I villianized Sean Penn, if that's what you mean. I just think he's a little off on his understanding of the cause of the problems in the world. Not to mention... who's holier than thou when they are drunk and mumbling jibberish to a crowd of music lovers?

Why am I impotent again? You talk like you know me.

Since when did a messageboard post become my autobiography?