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When am I going to be able to stop obsessing over this show? I even called vamanos pest.
Back off war child.
There are some obvious holes in this theory, but still pretty fascinating : http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/10/nor...-breaking-bad/
If you're going to have a theory about a TV show it better be supported by more than convenient plot devices. The whole point of the show is that he was wicked smart, and sometimes TV heroes get lucky. big surprise.
Norm's complaint about the ricin is bogus though. A lethal dose is only a couple micrograms, about the amount of couple grains of salt, which could have been inserted into the packet through a small tear or some other way. The amount he appeared to have in that vial could have killed dozens if not hundreds of people.
I suppose in the end the finale is whatever you want it to be. If you choose to believe walt died (or was caught) behind the wheel of the car in NH then that's up to you. Nothing in the show proves or disproves it.
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Jesse does say to Hank "He's smarter than you, and he's LUCKIER than you". Which has been true throughout the entire series. He gets himself into situations that he doesn't plan for, then somehow bumbles his way out of them.
It's an interesting theory, but broken up by the fact that there's no way he could have known Jesse was, in fact, imprisoned by the gang.
I like that theory. But I also think some family members (other than Hank) should have died. It pisses me off that he got away with this without any of his nuclear family getting killed. I DON'T WANT TO THINK OF WALT AS A GOOD GUY DAMNIT. HIS FAMILY DESERVES TO SUFFER FOR HIS ACTIONS, if only to make him feel awful.
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Also, Vince originally wanted Walt to walk in on Skyler killing herself in Ozymandias when he comes home to pack the family's stuff.
We know that Jesse was actually being held hostage outside of Walt's dream though, and Walt did not. He knew that Jesse was alive and cookin' but nothing beyond that. If it was indeed a dream then his subconscious certainly got the facts completely right when he showed up to the Nazi compound.
That theory is alright but I think it kind of misses the point that Walt was just a super lucky motherfucker, in addition to being really intelligent, and that they wanted to end the show on a (relatively) positive note. He did outsmart nearly everyone over the course of the series, even if it meant destroying his family in the process, and I think that just continues in the finale.
Plus the dude built a meth empire from nothing but his own determination, I think he could have put ricin in a stevia packet without too much trouble.
DISCLAIMER: I don't believe the dream theory. just playing with it.
if this was indeed a fabrication of Walt's mind couldn't he have mustered up some self fulfilling fantasy where he and Flynn patch things up and part on good terms? I dunno, this is a very big leap in logic. I mean, of all episode for some sick fantasy playing out uin Walt's head during 5O+ episodes I think it'd be cheating the audience out of a proper resolution to have the series finale just be a fantasy. Vince Gilligan is better than that. Some of Norm Mcdonald's tweets just seem like digs at the writing which has otherwise been superb.
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Yeah, I just see the thought of Jesse being a prisoner is quite a leap in Walt's reasoning if it were so. Like Jen said, he thought they were partners, as that's the theory that makes the most sense for blue meth coming back if you don't know the whole story.
So existence blue meth suggested Jesse was alive and cooking, reason suggested he was being forced to do so.
The way I remember it, Walt's last encounter with Jesse more revolved around Jesse hating Walt to the point of spitting in his face (such hatred subsequently exacerbated by the fact that Walt subsequently told him about Jane and by the fact that Walt paid Nazis to kill him,) and then being terrified of the death that Walter was bringing down on him. If they offered him a chance to 1) live and 2) use Walt's formula to (the way Walt would see it) take credit for work that Jesse wasn't doing, I could see Walt being convinced Jesse would take it, both to save himself and to lessen Walt's legacy by removing the need for Walter as the producer. And, "Cook for us or we'll kill you," doesn't lead to prisoner in most instances, at least in the literal sense of the term. It still seems like quite a leap to me.
Wasn't Walt's last encounter with Jesse seeing him hiding under the car? At the point he'd finally come to terms with the fact that he'd lost any control he thought he had over the nazis and that they were out to overtake him/his money/everything?
"lessen Walt's legacy"? Why on earth would Jesse give a shit about that? Regardless of he believe's Walt's killed, the Heisenberg shit couldn't matter less to him.
Last edited by jackstraw94086; 10-02-2013 at 04:00 PM.
I forgot why I stopped ever joining in arguments in which you participate. Look at what I wrote: Prisoner in the literal sense of the word. You reply to a completely different argument, prisoner in any sense of the word. And, I didn't say JESSE would care about the Heisenberg legacy, I said that Walt would view it in that way, because Walt is always Walt's biggest concern and the one thing he thinks about the most. At no point in my post did I say that was Jesse's line of thinking, but rather how Walt would view it.
I was glad to see all the bad guys (and Lydia) die, but it seemed wrapped up a bit too neatly. But then again, it does not beg for a sequel or leave too much unanswered, so it was satisfying in that way.
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In what language does that not sound like Jesse is the subject of your sentence when saying "both to save himself and to lessen Walt's legacy..." Please read your own post again before jumping on me for misinterpreting.If they offered him a chance to 1) live and 2) use Walt's formula to (the way Walt would see it) take credit for work that Jesse wasn't doing, I could see Walt being convinced Jesse would take it, both to save himself and to lessen Walt's legacy by removing the need for Walter as the producer.
And then you're completely obtuse with this "'Cook for us or we'll kill you,' doesn't lead to prisoner in most instances, at least in the literal sense of the term" while trying to argue that Walt likely assumed Jesse was cooking willingly. Does not follow. You can go ahead and keep assuming that was coherent but if you truly read the words instead of assuming what you wrote matches your thoughts you'll realize you're in trouble.
If he's a prisoner than what the fuck difference does it make? Whether he was tied up in a cellar or otherwise coerced via threats to his or anyone's safety. The point is he was making meth against his will, that is what Walt could have safely assumed. Whether that idea manifested itself as Jesse tied up in a ditch or Jesse living in constant threat of death, the point is Walt could assume Jesse was being forced to do it against his will (your preferred notion "prisoner" notwithstanding)
I'm not replying to a completely different argument. It just seems the words you're typing don't appear match the argument you think you're making.
Try not to forget your advice to yourself again I guess, starting now.
You guys need some excitement in real life.
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