Actually I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying stick your uninformed sales pitch up your big fat ass.
Actually I do actual IT consulting--meaning not only do I help businesses grow profitably through the smart use of technology (which i sell them), but I also ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT I'M SELLING. Which is a hell of a relief to all the businesses I encounter who are so fucking tired of dipshits like you who sell them a product that isn't fit for their needs because you don't understand what is actually best for a company because you don't understand the tech.
Nice business strategy, dipshit. "Even though I understand nothing about your industry, infrastructure, needs, or really anything whatsoever, I think what you need to is to purchase my company's cloud services, because they're SO much better for what you're trying to accomplish (except that I don't understand anything about what you're trying to accomplish because I'm just a sales asshole who doesn't understand how computers work)."
Love ya, hugs and kisses, yada yada.
Uh huh. That's a great retort-give terrible, self-interested advice that's utterly useless, and then when you get called on your shit just revert back to your confidence in how much better your "team" is than I am. And yeah, i have to deal with people like you all the time too--some know-nothing bullshit artist fills clients heads with a sales pitch that is of no use to them whatsoever and then my side of things has to explain that sales people are liars who don't understand what they're selling in the slightest.
I fucking hate sales people.
Not everything is as it seems, Randy dear.
You know, randy and shaker are brilliant industrialists who can't be bothered with every aspect of a successful enterprise.
It's great that you do well in the field of enterprise-level storage solutions. That being said, your (sales) knowledge of that one small facet of a company's IT needs does not change the fact that what you said earlier was just fucking retarded and had absolutely zero relevance to Wes's company. And the reason that it had zero relevance? Because all you know is your little segment of the world and how to sell it.
Also, scale them for years? How many years do you think? I'm just curious how deluded you are by the bullshit you're selling people.
Well it's simple, a client/server architecture like hosted SQL servers cannot be transposed directly onto what box.com offers which is, more or less, cloud based storage.
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012: II, 2013: I, 2014: I, 2015: I
Have you not been listening to Sean? He's been doing this for years, he knows what he's talking about. So obviously he understands that there's more involved in the operation of a company than just data storage.
Oh no, wait. That's what didn't happen.
I think his tactic is the equivalent of inviting your entire friends list to your event on facebook. it costs him nothing to spout out his sales pitch everywhere there might be a slight resemblence of relevance, just in case, and has the added benefit of not requiring any thought. once in a while it's bound to have a hit. the only cost is bothering and potentially misleading hundreds of people along the way.
Also done AD, Exchange Migration, blade servers, tablets with Citrix XenApp, among other things. Just for this one client. I know what I am doing Randy, but I appreciate your concern.
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Um, you didn't actually answer my question, but way to throw out a bunch more terms there to look legitimate. How many years do you think what you just sold them will be a viable and effective solution?
Have you ever actually done an AD/Exchange migration? Or you just mean you sold them it and then other people did it?
No, I haven't, don't need to. I have Engineers to do that for me. I understand how it works, and am involved every step.
Sorry, forgot to answer your time question...based on their projected growth and the VDI project, the estimation is to last at least 5 years. Then, revisit to see if we need to transition to a new base unit, or continue to scale up and out. To compare, their NetApp didn't even last them a year.
None of it matters anyways because I've decided to enter the industry. Sell out now. I'll pay a premium compared to what it be will worth in a couple years
And of course you haven't actually done it. You're sales. AD/Exchange migration is easy to move to a hosted solution. There's been hosted Exchange for almost a decade and AD is easy enough to transfer to a cloud solution because you can configure Active Directory to call to an external source. You should stick to giving advice about those things and just shut the fuck up about technologies that you have no experience with. As much as you accuse me of thinking that I know everything, I wouldn't dare hop in to a conversation that actually pertained to enterprise-level cloud storage because it's not something I'm an authority on.
You jumped in to suggest a solution to a technology that you don't understand in the slightest. Don't try and fucking defend yourself by attacking me. You got out of pocket and it was a douchebag move. Just accept the fact that you should have shut the fuck up because the subject matter had zero relevance to your realm of quasi-understanding. That's all I'm saying.
Now man the fuck up and admit that you were pimping your business without really grasping the realities involved and bow out. Do the adult thing.
If my memory serves me correctly, Wes works for a Fortune 50 company. I'm pretty sure this entire discussion is totally irrelevant given how many layers of decision-making there probably are between him and any CIO-type figure.
Exactly. Which is why it was a fucking jerkoff thing to say in the first place.
Not sure what's up. Yesterday before I left the office I changed the power option to never turn off my monitors. Logged in from home last night and came in this morning. Both of my monitors were on and I was able to log in easily. It worked. So I went to double check my power options and it's been reverted back to turning them off after 30 minutes.
Whatever. I'm sure at this point it has something to do with that Nightwatchman bug.
On the "jump in", if you read what I wrote...what I suggested wasn't a solution. Just was an observation on his VPN issues. I read into it more as something collaborative. To your point, again I agree with you as I stated earlier, I don't know about Wes' company.
I am sales, and consulting. If I were just sales, I wouldn't have lasted as long as I have. You can consult and not do the implementation. Happens all the time in this industry. This particular client's Exchange migration was a mess because they are a Community College, so the staff and student email were separate (student email was around 5000 addresses). We had to keep the 2003 active as we moved the 2010.
I have to agree with Randy on this one. Reading about Wes' setup and then suggesting some cloud based document collaboration bullshit is the typical ignorant sales diarrhea I hear all the time in this industry and it is annoying as fuck. Sales guys hardly ever have the technical expertise to actually recommend the right product for a client. Claiming you have this expertise when you think your product could actually be a replacement for Wes' high end dev box that connects to internal SQL DBs simply shows just how full of shit you are. Nothing personal against you, but I just see this shit way too often. Sales guy gets some dumb ass manager or director all pumped on some product, neither of them know shit about the technical aspects or that there's actually better ways, then sys admin gets stuck trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, and everybody loses, except sales guy who just cashed in.
Let's go on a livin' spree!
If "everybody loses" why do they continue to pay the sales guys?
What's the alternative? Find a sales guy who isn't a dumb dick? Good luck.
Because they don't know they are losing. They have no idea there is a much better product for them that costs half as much. And once its purchased, IT guy doesn't want to tell his boss what a dumb ass purchase he just made.
And you are assuming that everybody who gets paid is actually earning it. Judging by how much time you spend on these boards at work, surely you know getting paid has nothing to do with being good at your job.
Let's go on a livin' spree!