Any specific places in Big Sur, Bakersfield, or Fresno that would work?
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Any specific places in Big Sur, Bakersfield, or Fresno that would work?
ATP Vegas, a la Matador at 21. The Palms was so much fun that weekend.
I personally doubt ATP will ever return to the states. They're phasing out fests in their own country and lost a bunch of money here, why would they come back?
Atp vegas in some rundown casino downtown would be brilliant
Yeah, I gotta think Matador got a special deal from their bands for that festival. I can't imagine any way they could have made any money on that.
If ATP can get Tom Waits or Aphex Twin to curate somewhere in Long Island/NY, I can guarantee they'll do pretty well. I mean when was the last time either of them played in NY...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boourns
Looking back on past lineups, I think these three are my favorites:)
UK 2004 The Director's Cut Weekend Two - curated by Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks/Sonic Youth/ATP
2-3-4/4/2004
Lineup:
Angelblood, Arab Strap, Bardo Pond, Black Dice, Carla Bozulich Red Headed Stranger Show, Cass McCombs, Cat Power, Charalambides, Deerhoof, Dizzee Rascal, Double Leopards, Dream/Aktion Unit, Ella Guru, Enon, Erase Errata with Anxious Rats, ESG, Explosions in the Sky, Fuck, Fursaxa, Har Mar Superstar, Jackie-O Motherfucker, James Yorkston, LCD Soundsystem, Le Tigre, Lightning Bolt, Love, Miighty Flashlight, Mission of Burma, Modest Mouse, Nina Nastasia, OOIOO, Polmo Polpo/Hangedup, Saccharine Trust, Sonic Youth, Sophia, Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, The Fiery Furnaces, The Notwist, The Shins, Tindersticks, Threnody Ensemble, Träd Gräs Och Stenar, Vibracathedral Orchestra, Vincent Gallo, White Magic, Wolf Eyes
UK 2006 A Nightmare Before Christmas - curated by Thurston Moore
8-9-10/12/2006
Lineup:
Iggy & The Stooges, Sonic Youth, Bardo Pond, Six Organs of Admittance, Jackie-O Motherfucker, My Cat Is an Alien, Melvins, Richard Youngs, Charalambides, The Skaters, Magik Markers, Alexander Tucker, Deerhoof, Wooden Wand, Sunburned Hand of the Man, Wolf Eyes, Negative Approach, The Dead C, Monotract, Prurient, Awesome Color, dkt/MC5, Dinosaur Jr., Gang of Four, Be Your Own Pet, Aaron Dilloway, Major Stars, Lambsbread, Hive Mind, Leslie Keffer, The Notekillers, Dead Machines, Family Underground, White Out w/ Nels Cline, Peter Brötzmann and Han Bennink, MV&EE + The Bummer Road, Hair Police, Bark Haze (Thurston Moore, Gown and Pete Nolan), Taurpis Tula, Islaja, The New Blockaders with The Haters, Nurse with Wound, 16 Bitch Pile-Up, Blood Stereo, Flipper, No-Neck Blues Band, Comets on Fire, Fursaxa, Double Leopards, Mouthus, Sun City Girls, Mats Gustafsson + EyE (Boredoms), Ashtray Navigations.
UK 2009 Tenth Birthday Party
11-13/12/2009 This event was held at Butlin's holiday camp in Minehead, Somerset.
Line-up:
Battles, Explosions in the Sky, Stephen Malkmus and the Jicks, J Mascis + The Fog, Sunn O))) performing The Grimmrobe Demos, Sunn O))) performing from Monoliths & Dimensions, Tortoise, Shellac, Dirty Three, Melvins, Mudhoney, Papa M, The For Carnation, Deerhoof, The Drones, Sleepy Sun, Bardo Pond, Fuck Buttons, Apse, Alexander Tucker and Decomposed Orchestra, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The Breeders, Modest Mouse, Om, Lightning Bolt, múm, Tall Firs, Porn, Edan, The Magic Band, The Mars Volta, Beak, Afrirampo, Devendra Banhart, Growing, Polvo, Josh T. Pearson, Six Organs of Admittance, Ricky Powell and Crispin Glover.
I'm guessing they did (get deals from bands) and also that they weren't trying to turn a profit on their anniversary fest. But considering the main Palms theater (The Pearl) has capacity for 2,500, which is pretty near the same as the main Kutshers room (Stardust Ballroom, 2,800), I don't see why an event there couldn't do as well as the first Kutshers, which seemed successful enough, especially in comparison to the other ATP NY/NJs.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountmccabe
It seems to me that what ultimately crushes ATP's financial equation is the no-sponsorships policy. Every other significant U.S. fest has official beers and cars and so forth. It's very admirable that ATP tries to go it alone, but we still ended up with Bud as the only beer option at Kutshers, and the fest didn't reap any of the sizable benefits that come with putting up a few Budweiser signs and placing the company's logo in the program. For a smallish boutique festival like ATP, trying to book great bands and offset that cost (and others) strictly with ticket sales seems suicidal.
They do actually have sponsors, it's just usually smaller names and they probably get less money from them. (For example, Aesop skincare products the final year at Kutsher's.)
Because those event spaces and the hotel rooms at the Palms, etc. that we got deals on would have been booked even if we weren't there. Kutshers would have been near empty and maybe the local British Invasion cover band would have played the Starlight Ballroom. I don't know costs but an empty off-season upstate New York rundown resort has got to be way less expensive than an always in season fancy new hotel on prime strip in Las Vegas. And ATP still lost money every year at Kutshers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAmeche
Also the rooms at the Pearl were more expensive per person than the rooms at Kutshers.
As stinkbutt noted it's possible they could find a more rundown casino that isn't in a prime location that might be able to offer cheaper deals/space in say the height of summer.
Wow, that Thurston Moore curated event must have been amazing. I would have a really, really tough time choosing between bands with schedule conflicts. Brotzmann + Bennick and Gustasfsson on the same lineup??
The Palms' recent struggles have been well-documented, and the venue there sits empty most nights. I don't think ATP would have a tough time working out a fair deal with that place.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountmccabe
And they weren't moldy and bug-infested.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountmccabe
No rundown Vegas casino has a room that sounds anything like the Pearl. Kutshers worked (and Asbury didn't) because of the quality of their main concert halls.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountmccabe
But like I said earlier, I don't expect to see another ATP event in the U.S., so none of this matters much, though it's always fun to dream.
Or ATP Reno during the height of summer, if they wanted it to be extra rundown.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountmccabe
I would be all over ATP Reno, that city is cheaaaaap
Are there any Reno hotels/casinos that have a large performance space with good acoustics?
I've never been, but Reno has The Knitting Factory, which has a 1200 capacity.
Let's find an abandoned amusement park with a performance space.
I pitched this a few years ago, but an ATP in my home town of Tucson would be awesome. I took Bryan, Cara, Tommy, and a few other board members to this old, supposedly haunted historic hotel (where police caught John Dillinger) that has a fantastic music venue in it. Right across the street is an even bigger venue that holds 1300 or so. There are also 4-5 other smaller venues and a few breweries within walking distance. It's also cheap.
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John knows this place well: http://hotelcongress.com/
Also, I saw Tool at the Reno Event Center. And there's the Grande Exposition Hall at the Silver Legacy Casino.
Let's just plan an ATP in Reno, and then they book the artists for us.
A boutique destination festival in Tucson would be fantastic. The Rialto Theatre and Club Congress are great venues. Hotel Congress would be a good base but it doesn't have enough rooms. There is a Marriott not far away that is double the cost.
This festival would def be on a much smaller scale than what we've seen from ATP (less than 1500 capacity) whereas ATP Asbury Park and their UK holiday camp events were all significantly larger. The population density and lack of public transportation options also make it a difficult spot.
But it has the venues.
I don't know the specifics, but I think the new street cars would help the with public transportation bit. I believe it goes from north of University through downtown. I couldn't imagine potential festival goers needing more than that. Also, the TCC Music Hall (not the arena) is downtown and that holds almost 3,000. I haven't been to a show there in years, though.
EDIT* There's also the Fox which is a few blocks away from the Rialto. That holds 1,200. I think two 1,200+ venues, a 3,000 person venue, and 4-5 other venues that hold 200+ would be more than enough, no? Especially since all of the venues are super close in proximity. They've also built a few more hotels in the area in recent years.
Plus, we can party at the Gribbz Tuscon pad.
Oh yeah. Desert rave!Quote:
Originally Posted by guedita
There's downtown venues and hotels in Akron in a small enough radius to host it, but that doesn't mean they should.
I was talking to Derek Stevens who owns The D and Golden Gate. He was telling me that he was the main person on the Fremont board pulling for Life is Beautiful Fest in downtown Vegas. The D was also the main casino sponsor of that fest. This was the week before the fest and he said if it went well he wanted more of that. He was telling me that Vegas is the only downtown in the country to do such a thing and I corrected him by explaining a few others have done it but he 100% wants more festivals downtown. He also unveiled his purchase of a full city block that week as well. The old court house is on that block and he is going to have it leveled but no immediate plans for what he wants to do with the property. The guy is like a big kid in that he said he just wanted to own a full city block. There were no other bidders on the property. I'll be back there next weekend for NIN, I should tweet or e-mail him to nudge him into contacting the ATP folks. Fremont East has some very cool small venues like Beauty Bar in addition to any showrooms and outdoor stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkbutt
I love the Tucson idea too of course.
I love the idea of Tucson, but my worry for an ATP fest would be the distance from major feeder metropolitan areas (although Phoenix is a fairly big city, I'm not sure it has enough of the right kind of music geek types to make a festival like ATP sell well).
Reno makes sense because you have San Francisco as a feeder, the same way Kutsher's had New York or Camber Sands had London. I'd imagine 2-3 hours is sort of a sweet spot for driving distance for destination fests.
Tucson is less than 2 hours away from Phoenix. Also, many of previously booked ATP bands come through AZ believe it or not.
Flagstaff would be great, too. Beautiful area, short drive from Phoenix, and they have good venues/accommodations.
Ha, okay. It's not like any of this matters, anyway. It's just fun to think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulDischarge
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Also, it's gotta be less than $100 to fly to Reno from LA during the off season. Consequently, it's dirt cheap to fly to AZ cities during the summer, usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Courtney
Also Vegas is a major metro that has both L.A. and Phoenix people driving into it for weekend trips or airfare for reasonable prices. Salt Lake is just over a 5 hour drive too.
Colorado has great potential, too.
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