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shermanoaksyo
09-10-2010, 10:50 AM
I really should have become an evil banker so as to be able to afford to go to more festivals. I'll keep this in mind for the next life.

MrAmeche
09-10-2010, 11:27 AM
There are plenty of other shitty Catskills resorts in various states of disrepair ATP could take place at
Probably not many with a main venue as well-suited to ATP as Kutshers, though.

weeklymix
09-10-2010, 07:36 PM
If I become super rich, super fast, I will buy Kutsher's.

Mr. Fuzz
09-10-2010, 08:56 PM
If I become super rich I'd have Iggy & the Stooges playing at my house.

whiney
09-10-2010, 10:05 PM
it didn't exactly sell out this year or last. i think it might just be a case of new yorkers being dipshits and not knowing a good thing when they have it...

send me ctrpllrs
09-10-2010, 11:10 PM
Well it is kind of expensive to stay at Kutsher's + the festival tickets, I think that puts off a lot of people. It's worth every penny though and the prices are more than reasonable for all we get. My first year I went alone, this year 3 came with me, hopefully more next year. It felt like more people this year, I wonder what the totals were.

fastmusicfan
09-11-2010, 05:45 AM
Sorry, first post. Lurking for a couple years, and finally went this year. Fantastic. Anyway, the interview article with Barry that someone linked to a little while ago made it sound like Kutshers had already asked if they wanted to book again and the he considered it an ongoing event, no? I would absolutely be back again, probably with more people.

Icemouse
09-11-2010, 06:59 AM
it didn't exactly sell out this year or last. i think it might just be a case of new yorkers being dipshits and not knowing a good thing when they have it...

Last year I don't think it came close to selling out, this year pitchfork said it did.

As far as more people next year, my group might need more rooms because it's getting easier and easier to get people to sign on. The two I convinced to come this year are each bringing one more person with them at least. That's a whole room right there and we still had 5 other people in the room this year!

fastmusicfan
09-11-2010, 07:44 AM
I can't imagine that the vast majority of people who attended wouldn't want to go again. It certainly doesn't hurt that the major music mags/sites and artists often call it the best festival in the U.S..

Courtney
09-12-2010, 11:03 AM
The fridge in the ice skating rink still had a jar of Hellman's in it. The phone at the skate rental booth was still functional.

HA! I didn't notice that.


Courtney you monster! The picture of Atsuo's hair flying is tremendous.


I need to get a camera. I've been borrowing my mom's for shows for a while now and it just doesn't cut it. I love how I posted mine right after all those awesome pictures, mine look bad compared to those haha.


Yeah no shit I can't even come close to comparing to Courtney's pics


Hahaha...I'm glad you happened to snap this. :p


All these pictures are so great. This thread is holding some of the best pictures a thread ever has.

Courtney, you are on a different planet. Your pictures are incredible and i bow in your direction. i loves them all. Great werk.

Thanks dears :pulse. I will definitely be back next year with my overpriced camera and massively heavy lenses if I can swing a photo pass again. ATP is such a pleasure to shoot because everyone is really nice and accommodating, and the lighting is so fabulous. And if I can't swing a photo pass, I'll be back anyway, just without my camera :)

Courtney
09-12-2010, 11:07 AM
Also I love when people add me as a contact on flickr and then I notice that I recognize people in their photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekatokyo/):

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/4971048751_f7f207cddc_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/4971049271_f58d0b7681_z.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/4975488848_dd1a334f6c_z.jpg

Courtney
09-12-2010, 11:17 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/4969410365_30d4f5b510_z.jpg

Courtney
09-12-2010, 12:01 PM
Finally got around to reading that Rolling Stone article that Jamie posted. Kudos to Rob Sheffield for getting it so right:


For the third straight year, ATP was the festival that makes all others seem like a trip to the dentist. There’s no outdoor toilets, no trudge to the parking lot, no booths of hucksters trying to sell you something, no VIP corrals. Everybody showed up because they’re a hardcore music freak, so the borscht-belt vibe is almost bizarrely friendly. The bands hang out to watch one another’s sets, and nobody rubbernecks or eyefucks or bugs them for pictures. The guest curator was indie director Jim Jarmusch, who seemed to show up for every band that played.

rskapcat
09-13-2010, 08:59 AM
Figured I'd share what I wrote for a friend's website. (I don't really consider myself a writer...the friend just wants to collect perspectives on all the US festivals.)

http://thesynaptic.com/2010/09/13/volume-all-tomorrows-parties-kutshers-country-club-monticello-ny-0903-052010-by-becca-skaparas-special-guest-of-the-synaptic/

bmack86
09-13-2010, 12:53 PM
sigh

1. Candle
2. The Sprawl
3. Cross The Breeze
4. Catholic Block
5. Stereo Sanctity
6. Eric's Trip
7. Death Valley'69
8. Shadow Of A Doubt
9. Hey Joni
10. The Wonder
11. Hyperstation
12. Shaking Hell


13. White Cross
14. Expressway To Yr Skull

Can I just say? Wow. The Stooges were a blast, but this set REALLY stands out for me. I wasn't that excited to see the Youth again as I've seen in such great conditions times past, but they brought it so hard. Finally got to hear Death Valley '69, which made my night in the most spectacular way, and closing the whole night with Expressway. Awesome.

Courtney
09-13-2010, 12:54 PM
Yeah, this was the best set I've ever heard Sonic Youth do. And I've seen them quite a few times. Sooo good.

Becca, I'm gonna read your article now.

Icemouse
09-13-2010, 01:00 PM
Someone on last.fm says that he emailed ATP in regards to the rumors an that there are NO plans to abandon ATPNY. That almost warrants celebration in itself


I hope that the carpet in stage 2 gets cleaned before next year. I was getting some serious allergy issues in there.. I actually skipped the black angels to get a better Altar spot because I didn't want to be sniffling the whole time. It was my fault for sitting on it though which made it a lot worse

Courtney
09-13-2010, 01:13 PM
Figured I'd share what I wrote for a friend's website. (I don't really consider myself a writer...the friend just wants to collect perspectives on all the US festivals.)

http://thesynaptic.com/2010/09/13/volume-all-tomorrows-parties-kutshers-country-club-monticello-ny-0903-052010-by-becca-skaparas-special-guest-of-the-synaptic/

Nicely said.

I failed my attempt at attending the pub quiz and a lot of the other non-music things like films and the discussion panels. However, I did make it to bingo, the spa, Steve Albini's card room, and late night stuff, so at least that's better than last year where I pretty much just camped out at the stages and then went back to the hotel room.


Someone on last.fm says that he emailed ATP in regards to the rumors an that there are NO plans to abandon ATPNY. That almost warrants celebration in itself

YESSSSS.


I hope that the carpet in stage 2 gets cleaned before next year. I was getting some serious allergy issues in there.. I actually skipped the black angels to get a better Altar spot because I didn't want to be sniffling the whole time. It was my fault for sitting on it though which made it a lot worse

Hm, I didn't notice that, but that sucks.

MrAmeche
09-13-2010, 04:39 PM
Sonic Youth didn't play Expressway. It was listed on the setlist, but they ended with White Cross and a noise jam. Proof: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/09/12/download-this-now-sonic-youths-entire-atp-ny-set/

I stayed for a while after that, so I'm pretty confident they didn't come back out for a second encore after their gear was broken down.

bballarl
09-14-2010, 09:31 AM
Bryan Mack at ATP, via WFMU's ATP playlists:

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/LB/ATP10/tmodelford1.jpg

Courtney
09-14-2010, 09:32 AM
So. Freaking. Cute.

bballarl
09-14-2010, 09:35 AM
The kid or Bryan?

Pixiessp
09-14-2010, 09:47 AM
Nice article, Becca. :thu

TallGuyCM
09-14-2010, 08:29 PM
^ That's hilarious. Bryan looks like he's having an innocent child-like good time, and then there's an actual innocent child right next to him. Just perfect.

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 11:04 AM
This page needs more pictures. Here's a few of the better ones I took, I'll keep it at 5 a post for easier scrolling:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs428.snc4/47107_433020750107_507480107_5698819_3001900_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs648.snc4/60800_433021175107_507480107_5698825_6940140_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs423.snc4/46642_433022135107_507480107_5698833_2572850_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs416.snc4/47914_433022400107_507480107_5698835_4885950_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs321.ash2/60172_433022420107_507480107_5698836_709791_n.jpg

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 11:06 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs160.ash2/41317_433022725107_507480107_5698844_3075403_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs320.snc4/41317_433022730107_507480107_5698845_3499792_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs619.snc4/57925_433022800107_507480107_5698849_1559699_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs431.snc4/47465_433023055107_507480107_5698854_4772_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs630.snc4/58991_433023360107_507480107_5698857_475685_n.jpg

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 11:08 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs307.ash2/58724_433024050107_507480107_5698866_6164510_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs319.snc4/41272_433024090107_507480107_5698869_5742318_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs328.ash2/60793_433024110107_507480107_5698870_6115602_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs205.ash2/46816_433025590107_507480107_5698885_1226003_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs665.snc4/60585_433027335107_507480107_5698890_2505501_n.jpg

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 11:09 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs614.snc4/59448_433028050107_507480107_5698903_4176451_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs610.snc4/59060_433029315107_507480107_5698915_3299847_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs404.snc4/46674_433029365107_507480107_5698920_2220123_n.jpg

mountmccabe
09-15-2010, 11:47 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3922231160_90bc20ab26.jpg

Ahh, Boris.

AndyFaulkner
09-15-2010, 12:36 PM
Sonic Youth didn't play Expressway. It was listed on the setlist, but they ended with White Cross and a noise jam. Proof: http://www.self-titledmag.com/home/2010/09/12/download-this-now-sonic-youths-entire-atp-ny-set/

I stayed for a while after that, so I'm pretty confident they didn't come back out for a second encore after their gear was broken down.

Thanks for clarifying. After reading the set list I thought maybe they came back to play Expressway after I left.
Fab set.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 04:14 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4992267856/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975222637/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975832512/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975224993/;http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/4975828954/

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 04:15 PM
Hmmm. That didn't work to well at all, did it?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 04:19 PM
"too well" I meant, sorry.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 04:53 PM
Here are a few things I learned this year ( my first ATP). Kutshers>Raleigh, bring ice, sleep later, stay up later, more band research beforehand, if you're not into a band there's plenty you could be doing instead, there are a fair amount of females that are into it, it's easy to get close to the stage if you want/need to, just keep taking pictures while still enjoying yourself, caffeine is your friend.

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 04:58 PM
Something I didn't learn- how to post multiple, decent size pictures. I'll do my homework, but in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Courtney
09-15-2010, 05:05 PM
Nice. I always forget to take a picture of wristbands.

Also, one of these years I want to go over to the Raleigh to see what it's all about. Although I had an interesting conversation with one of the Kutsher's staff around 4am on Saturday night about how even though budget cuts haven't been noticeable to most attendees, ATP has been noticeably cutting the amenities for people staying at the Raleigh (no bar or ATP-dedicated services, less shuttles, etc). He had sort of a interesting take on things -- prior to that conversation, I hadn't realized how much resentment there was from the locals about ATP not giving back enough (not putting money into the facilities to make them better, not paying enough to have Kutsher's host, etc). It made me sad, although I suppose these sort of town-gown style relations are inevitable for annual events.

Still-ill
09-15-2010, 05:05 PM
Tell me, Fastmusicfan, did you watch Sleep?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:19 PM
I didn't miss any of the Raleigh stuff, shuttles were fine, room was usable, but the overall Raleigh vibe is creepy. I'm pretty sure they turned on the water and electric the week before and crossed their fingers. I'd do it again, in a heartbeat, if I missed the Kutsher's buy.

We did see Sleep (there's one pic in the Flickr set), but didn't stay til they finished though they were crushing (in a good way). Next year will definitely call for better buzz management also, though we did pretty well all weekend. Sleep is one of the bands in particular I wish I had listened to more beforehand. I listened to Holy Mountain several times and knew what to expect, but now I listen to it alot louder and it makes more sense. That might sound dumb, but there it is.

BEAK> was awesome, I thought, and wish I knew all those songs, too. Explosions in the Sky is another.

Awesome, awesome weekend. Austin City Limits Festival is going to be a total letdown, now, isn't it?

fastmusicfan
09-15-2010, 05:20 PM
Courtney, your pictures are awesome, by the way.

Courtney
09-15-2010, 05:29 PM
Thanks!


You all probably already posted/read these pieces on Kutsher's from the local Monticello newspaper this July, right? I came across them when reading post-ATP coverage.

Kutsher's resort all began with a modest rooming house (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050323): I especially like how on the timeline there is basically a massive gap and nothing changes between 1968 and 2000.

Famed Kutsher's resort charts new course - again (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050322): "They're booking hip new Jewish acts like Neshama Carlebach and the off-Broadway show "Circumcise Me" — while keeping elements of what made the Catskills the Catskills, like activities director and "Dirty Dancing" inspiration Jackie Horner, who wears a T-shirt that says "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching.""

TallGuyCM
09-15-2010, 05:52 PM
Famed Kutsher's resort charts new course - again (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100705/NEWS/7050322): "They're booking hip new Jewish acts like Neshama Carlebach and the off-Broadway show "Circumcise Me" while keeping elements of what made the Catskills the Catskills, like activities director and "Dirty Dancing" inspiration Jackie Horner, who wears a T-shirt that says "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching.""

This has to be a joke. LOL.

fatbastard
09-15-2010, 05:56 PM
Oh man, this is just #ucking horrible. Jealous does not even describe the feeling.

Happy for all of you, really.:(

Courtney
09-15-2010, 05:57 PM
I would pay large amounts of money for a "Stop Kvetching, Start Stretching" t-shirt.

weeklymix
09-16-2010, 04:51 PM
God fucking dammit I KNEW I saw Jon Spencer at ATP.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Jon_Spencer_2006.jpg/220px-Jon_Spencer_2006.jpg

jamie_atp
09-17-2010, 07:46 AM
Whoever that employee was sounds crazy. Do they expect us to pay them to rebuild their hotels? We pay a big fee and have overall taken a loss on these events whilst providing the hotels with custom they would otherwise never have.

By the way we turned up at the raleigh this year to find that without prior warning they would have no desk staff there as they had in previous years so we would have to keep people their all weekend. The shuttle services were the same as previous years as far as I know.

Anyway we just put on sale a few more 2 and 3 person tickets for the UK in december so you should all come and chill (it will be cold):
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/bowlie2/news/1009170925.php

wmgaretjax
09-17-2010, 08:29 AM
That's really fucking lame of the raleigh.

miscorrections
09-17-2010, 08:42 AM
That's shitty. And it makes me very sad that you take a loss on it because it is far and away the best festival going in the US.

Courtney
09-17-2010, 09:28 AM
Whoever that employee was sounds crazy. Do they expect us to pay them to rebuild their hotels? We pay a big fee and have overall taken a loss on these events whilst providing the hotels with custom they would otherwise never have.

By the way we turned up at the raleigh this year to find that without prior warning they would have no desk staff there as they had in previous years so we would have to keep people their all weekend. The shuttle services were the same as previous years as far as I know.

Anyway we just put on sale a few more 2 and 3 person tickets for the UK in december so you should all come and chill (it will be cold):
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/bowlie2/news/1009170925.php

Yeah, the whole conversation made me sad, and the employee sounded very unreasonable. I thought you guys probably take a loss on the festival, and tried telling him that, but he was like "oh no that Deborah is rolling in dough." So maybe he is just insane.

And that's way nuts about the no desk staff. Who does that?! A small recommendation: you might put that in your contract for them next year, if you haven't already.

weeklymix
09-17-2010, 12:52 PM
Throbbing Gristle is at the Godspeed ATP>?!

URRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

dorkfish
09-17-2010, 12:53 PM
Yup... Too bad it's on the other side of Earth.

weeklymix
09-17-2010, 12:55 PM
Seriously. My stomach hurts.

whiney
09-18-2010, 06:49 AM
just bought my tickets to Godspeed ATP

:D

Courtney
09-20-2010, 03:03 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5007626552_e0d1325f38_z.jpg

fastmusicfan
09-20-2010, 05:05 PM
Nice. I can't quite figure out what exactly is going on in the Ski School picture. What is that woman doing? And where is her other arm?

bmack86
09-20-2010, 05:08 PM
She's lying on her skis as one of the men holds them up. Her arm is probably extending up behind her body.

fastmusicfan
09-20-2010, 05:26 PM
Okay, I'll buy that, although her arm may be waaaay down his pants. Another question: Is the guy in the middle of the skating rink wearing a crown for some reason?

weeklymix
09-20-2010, 06:16 PM
I hope I make a zillion dollars so I can buy Kutsher's.

TallGuyCM
09-20-2010, 10:21 PM
Those pics are pretty lulzy if you look at them long enough and notice the details.

jamie_atp
09-21-2010, 02:57 PM
where did those pics come from? any more around?

Courtney
09-21-2010, 03:07 PM
Jamie, I found them while searching on eBay for vintage postcards. The card that I took that image from was sold, but this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/Postcard-Kutshers-Country-Club-Golf-Monticello-NY-/370428070930?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563f3bcc12) is still up:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/billd2626/feb%2019%2008%20pcs/untitled-0167.jpg

Not quite as good, but it's cool to see Kutsher's in its former incarnations.

Courtney
09-21-2010, 03:21 PM
And some from cardcow.com:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set324/card00784_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set134/card00698_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set204/card00036_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set134/card00701_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set204/card00032_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set289/card00314_fr.jpg


And flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/263268132_a55e827826_z.jpg?zz=1

fastmusicfan
09-21-2010, 03:43 PM
Nice work, Courtney. Hilarious.

Tylerdurden31
09-21-2010, 03:45 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs160.ash2/41317_433022725107_507480107_5698844_3075403_n.jpg

I'm pretty sure the girl in the foreground is someone I'm in school with.

TallGuyCM
09-21-2010, 09:40 PM
And flickr:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/263268132_a55e827826_z.jpg?zz=1

OH MY GOD PAU GASOL HAS BEEN TO KUTSHER'S!

(The guy on the far right).

bmack86
09-21-2010, 10:02 PM
That really does look like him. Eerie.

weeklymix
09-21-2010, 10:04 PM
WE MUST RESTORE KUTSHER'S

Birds vs Worms
09-22-2010, 07:24 AM
yo zach, give me a reply

fastmusicfan
09-22-2010, 06:02 PM
Is it too early to start posting fantasy curator/lineups?

TallGuyCM
09-22-2010, 10:15 PM
Never too early.

Birds vs Worms
09-23-2010, 06:10 AM
ATP vs. THE FANS

MrAmeche
09-23-2010, 07:34 AM
Not Not Fun curating a side stage.

wmgaretjax
09-23-2010, 07:44 AM
god no. i like the label, but they are so damn inconsistent.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 04:36 PM
I like the ATP vs. The Fans thinking. How about WFMU curating?

Courtney
09-23-2010, 05:10 PM
I'd take J. Spaceman as a curator.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 05:32 PM
Curators: Albini, Bob Mould, Sonic Youth, Mac + Laura (Merge Records), Nick Cave

Don't Look Back: Guided By Voices-Alien Lanes, Scream-Still Screaming, Refused-The Shape of Punk to Come, Buzzcocks-Singles going Steady, Sleater-Kinney-any album really, Archers of Loaf

Performers: Mission of Burma, Future of the Left, NoMeansNo, Pissed Jeans, Frank Black Francis, Young Widows, The Wrens, Wolves in the Throneroom, White Denim, Grinderman, Battles, Ted Leo, Superchunk, Boris, Shellac(obviously), Kamikaze Hearts, Shrinebuilder, Portugal, The Man, Portishead, Polvo, Pele, Obits, Magnetic Fields, Horse Feathers, Grouper, Jason Lytle acoustic, Dead Can Dance, ASS

Apparently I'm big on the rock. Somebody else can figure out the electronic, hip hop, etc..

Courtney
09-23-2010, 05:35 PM
Thurston and Nick and Steve have already curated ATP events, haven't they?'

Bob Mould would be cool. He could pick everyone he has remixed (No Age, The Pretenders, Low, etc), and Drive-By Truckers and Son Volt because of the David Barbe connection. And maybe because of Brendan Canty, he could get Fugazi or at least The Thermals.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 05:43 PM
Yeah, I think you're right. I didn't really fact check. There's probably a bunch of reasons for various "no ways" or they've already done it- singer's dead, they hate each other, etc.. Just browsing my library and trying, off the top of my head, to not put in alot of bands that have just played ATP NY, with some obvious exceptions.

I'd really like to come up with a curator that isn't obvious and maybe not a musician, but nothing's coming to me.

PassiveTheory
09-23-2010, 05:53 PM
Sofia Coppola?

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 05:58 PM
Thermals and Son Volt would both be great for me. I left Fugazi off for the "no way, unless it was for charity" thinking.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 06:18 PM
Sofia Coppola?

Well, if we're dreaming big here, I'd like to see Elizabeth Peyton or Chloe Sevigny curate. But that hardly seems in keeping with the ATP agenda.

Gribbz
09-23-2010, 06:19 PM
Chloe Sevigny would be great.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 06:27 PM
Fugazi is kind of due to come out of hiatus, now is as good a time as any. There has been a lot of great reunions the last couple years, that one would take the cake though.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 06:37 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 06:41 PM
That's very true, there has been stirring on that front. I don't need to see them at ATP though, they're allowed to play somewhere else. :)

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Absolutely. And if they play anywhere in the Southeast, I'll be seeing them for a sixth time.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 06:51 PM
But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

That's a good point. And I'm afraid that the fact that ATP NY is not profitable would probably not be a good enough justification, either.

bmack86
09-23-2010, 06:56 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.

Well, I've heard talk that Coachella told Ian that they could sell a select number of tickets for 5 bucks through their website if Fugazi played, so maybe that's a possibility for ATP as well.

I bet it's still a few years. There were a few kids born to the band members, so I imagine they want to have the kids old enough to be able to understand that their dads are going to come back when they leave, maybe kindergarten age.

vinylmartyr
09-23-2010, 07:06 PM
Actually, it's probably a little better time than the last few years. They're releasing recordings of almost every show that they ever did soon. It does somehow feel like the time is ripe. But I'm guessing that they would want everyone to have a chance to see them and the price of ATP doesn't really fit their $5 show/ $10 cd m.o., unfortunately. Please, please prove me wrong, though.



Where did you hear this. I saw Fugazi in 1989 and I would love to have a recording?

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:06 PM
My favorite Ian quote, which may or may not have actually been spoken: Major label executive "We'll give you a million dollars and your own record label." Ian "I have a million dollars and my own record label."

I'm inclined to agree with you, Bmack, I think it will be a few years, too. The rumors are exciting enough to me to keep spreading, I guess. The lack of new Evens material and not a ton from the other members I think adds to the speculation.

bmack86
09-23-2010, 07:08 PM
Well the lack of new Evens material is in large part due to the fact that Amy and Ian had a kid, as far as I've heard.

Still-ill
09-23-2010, 07:08 PM
I think it's on their main website.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:08 PM
Vinyl, it was on Pitchfork a month or two ago and on a couple other sites. I seem to remember the original news came from a Fugazi fan site that interviewed Guy. This news was definitely picked up by some other sites, too.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:11 PM
Here's one link. http://pitchfork.com/news/39502-fugazi-prepare-live-recording-archive/

Courtney
09-23-2010, 07:38 PM
All this money talk has gotten me thinking about ways that ATP NY could become more profitable, without sacrificing the quality and experience. What do you all think? I'm not trying to say they should charge us all more, but I do want ATP NY to continue year after year after year, and I know logically that they have to turn a profit at some point to make that happen. My ideas:

1. Cut out extraneous services that no one uses like the Aesop Luxury Showers. I went down there twice, and it was awesome, but I was the only person in the place.

2. Practice price discrimination for lodging. Even though the tickets for the festival aren't selling out, the hotel rooms for Kutsher's are. They could offer several tiers of pricing for hotel rooms, and increase revenue that way.

3. Increase parking cost. It's $10 for Thursday through Monday, but I bet people would pay $20.

4. Offer more/better merch. I would love to see a line of ATP-branded t-shirts or posters beyond just the one design each year. I'm not really a comic book kind of girl, so I didn't get anything this year, but if they had brought in say Sonnenzimmer (http://sonnenzimmer.com/) to design something, I totally would have purchased.

5. Do a book club again (because it's awesome), but this time organize it further in advance, and make sure you are getting a percentage for the book sales. I hate to suggest Amazon.com with a referral code, because you know, it's not really in keeping with the spirit of the festival. But you can easily do the same thing with independent booksellers.

But even with all that stuff, I feel like it's really still small potatoes. I don't know what else ATP could be doing.

MrAmeche
09-23-2010, 07:55 PM
god no. i like the label, but they are so damn inconsistent.
This probably isn't the right thread for further discussion on this, but I feel a certain need to defend NNF. I mean, sure, they put out some iffy stuff but I'd certainly spend part of a day in a room (say, the one that housed the Ocropolis) with their core artists scheduled one after another: Wet Hair, Sun Araw, Pocahaunted, Heavy Winged, Robedoor, Magic Lantern, Inca Ore, etc.

fastmusicfan
09-23-2010, 07:57 PM
I like your ideas, Courtney. The tiered thing makes sense, I think. I would pay the same to stay in the Raleigh again, but would pay more to stay at Kutsher's. Not that I want to pay more, but, like you, I want this thing to continue and prosper.

I'd buy different merch, too. I waited too long and missed out on a xl event shirt and was bummed. I'd purchase an ATP branded shirt in addition to the event shirt next year.

We didn't pay anything to park at the Raleigh, by the way, and then used the shuttle, which certainly ran often enough for us.

I didn't have time to finish the Tesla book before the book club thing, but it was awesome. Absolutely need to announce books sooner.

Like I said, we didn't miss any of the previous years extras at the Raleigh- bar, etc.. My brother asked security if there was an ice machine somewhere and the guy said "What you're looking at here is a place to sleep." Kinda funny.

Not really a money thing but could the comedians do small sets between artists in the Ballroom? I kinda felt bad because I couldn't imagine who was seeing the comedians instead of the awesome band lineup Friday night. I saw Hannibal Burress when GZA changed times and that was cool.

I'm imagining that an improving? economy and the word spreading that this festival is ridiculously awesome will help with the profitability soon. I hope.

Courtney
09-23-2010, 08:13 PM
fastmusicfan, I also didn't finish either of the books. hahaa. I tried! I don't think I know anyone who successfully finished both.

I skipped all the comedians pretty much, and didn't feel the least bit guilty about it. I wonder what the turn-out was for those performances.

And yeah, I also wonder if hopefully the combination of an improving economy and gained traction for the festival will increase profitability. Presumably that's what Barry and Deborah are banking on.

Mr. Fuzz
09-23-2010, 08:56 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5007626552_e0d1325f38_z.jpg

This place looks like a swingers club.

whiney
09-24-2010, 09:24 AM
honestly, yall, i think the promoters have been doing everything right—the venues, the merch, the lineups, the food, the set times, the curators...

i think the real problem to overcome is to combat spoiled/entitledness/jadedness of New Yorkers. So many dudes here don't really understand (or CARE) that ATP is a "getaway" event, that this is leagues above going to a gross beer-caked bar.

Because people dont really understand it, so many of my friends just snort, "I can see [insert bands] when they come through town." And don't really care that the SunnO))) show in Brooklyn was a hot, crowded, power-screwy clusterfuck. Or that watching the Stooges or Explosions In The Sky play in a field to 10,000 people is exponentially more uncomfortable than watching them in an intimate room with 2,500.

I honestly don't know the logistics/cost/etiquette of doing this, so it's essentially just wishful thinking. But if ATP could get more bands to do more exclusive performances, re: "ONLY NEW YORK SHOW", then you'd 100% start seeing more locals come out of the woodwork to make the trip.

bmack86
09-24-2010, 09:25 AM
New Yorkers are too busy with their taxis and their pizzas to care about badass festivals.

miscorrections
09-24-2010, 09:26 AM
But there's pizza at ATP! And taxis, if necessary!

dorkfish
09-24-2010, 09:35 AM
There's no subways at ATP, though.

AndyFaulkner
09-24-2010, 11:21 AM
4. Offer more/better merch. I would love to see a line of ATP-branded t-shirts or posters beyond just the one design each year. I'm not really a comic book kind of girl, so I didn't get anything this year, but if they had brought in say Sonnenzimmer (http://sonnenzimmer.com/) to design something, I totally would have purchased.



I was a bit disappointed in the cost of the prints. If I am not mistaken they were $60/each, and one different one for each night. In the past they were about $30 or so. I cannot imagine they sold a whole lot of them.

I know that every year, since the first, we have picked up several people that go along, and they become transfixed like I did the first year. It's kind of a grass roots indie festival, building by word of mouth. Hopefully ATP can be patient....

miscorrections
09-24-2010, 11:34 AM
I picked up the triptych with all three of the prints, but yeah it was $60.

chiapet
09-24-2010, 11:39 AM
Book club? luxury showers? I hate you bitches.

While I was cleaning last night, I found my ATP 08 wristbands under my bed. :/

Courtney
09-24-2010, 12:07 PM
This place looks like a swingers club.

Looks like?

Icemouse
09-24-2010, 11:07 PM
The prints were $60 and much nicer this year, but I prefer the style of other years. This year's shirt was infinitely better than last years, but the best shirt definitely goes to this year's criterion shirt. Awesome multi-color c on the front and criterion, ATP, and kutsher's on the back

I disagree entirely that Aesop was extraneous, I was there 2 or 3 times because our shower only had the hottest water possible. It was super refreshing and a really interesting addition.

Also @whiney, I'm fine with the people you're describing not making the trip out, tbqh

fastmusicfan
09-25-2010, 08:55 AM
Whiney, those are all good points. I don't live in NY, but I think you're probably on the money. But the people who have been there know the deal, and word will spread that the space is awesome, the 2500-3000 people that are there are, for the most part, cool and into the music/vibe.

I live in the South, and if you're not a musically obsessed blog reader, you wouldn't know it existed. I don't think that's a bad thing, maybe, but there's got to be a bunch of people across the country who would be down with going if they knew what it actually was. I took my brother, who I've drug to enough stuff that he knows it will be interesting/cool/ amazing, said "How the hell did you find out about this? It's awesome and we're coming next year." That being said, I think the artists, music mags and blogs do a good job of preaching the word, both before and after the event.

As for the "NY exclusive" thing, I'm torn. It definitely would draw more people, but I think Lolapolooza makes artists sign something that says they won't play Chicago a certain amount of time around the event and it pisses people off. I'd hate to be a huge fan of one of the bands and not be able to afford ATP. If the artists did something really special, say Sleep playing Holy Mountain only at ATP, and then played Dopesmoker and other stuff in NYC, I think you'd still get a fair amount of fans to travel. I certainly would hate to deny the artists any potential income, too.

I still wonder how close they came to selling out this year. One more big artist on Sunday probably would have sealed the deal. Of course, that means more overhead, and on and on.

wmgaretjax
09-25-2010, 09:05 AM
the problem with getting artists to sign a contract like that is they are ultimately giving you more than just a performance... and so probably deserve to be paid more... so it cuts into the budget generally to foster exclusivity.

fastmusicfan
09-25-2010, 09:14 AM
Well said.

jamie_atp
09-25-2010, 11:36 AM
some thoughts...

Aesop didn't give us any money and we didn't give them any money, and quite a few people did use them.

I don't think we'd ever want to tier price anything so that the wealthier get a better experience.

The merch doesn't make a big profit really and is always a risk as you have to pay a shitload up front so more designs = more risk.

I think the problem is indeed that to get people to the event we need to have it relatively near an urban centre, but then you run the risk of those people being (and I say this in the nicest way) a bit spoilt by living there so it's harder to get them out to it. But i think ATP NY has picked up more regulars year on year...

wmgaretjax
09-25-2010, 11:38 AM
ATPs transparency is really refreshing.

Courtney
09-25-2010, 11:59 AM
I live in the South, and if you're not a musically obsessed blog reader, you wouldn't know it existed.

I'm not so sure about this. ATP got a decent amount of press this year from fairly mainstream sources. NPR did several stories, and the Wall Street Journal did a nice piece. The New York Times did a couple pieces, including one that I know made it into their national edition because it got delivered onto my doorstep here in Hawaii. I even noticed a review in Modern Painters Magazine (random!).

And I'm working on a travel & lifestyle article to be newspaper syndicated and come out before next year's festival :)

Courtney
09-25-2010, 12:18 PM
some thoughts...

Aesop didn't give us any money and we didn't give them any money, and quite a few people did use them.

I don't think we'd ever want to tier price anything so that the wealthier get a better experience.

The merch doesn't make a big profit really and is always a risk as you have to pay a shitload up front so more designs = more risk.

I think the problem is indeed that to get people to the event we need to have it relatively near an urban centre, but then you run the risk of those people being (and I say this in the nicest way) a bit spoilt by living there so it's harder to get them out to it. But i think ATP NY has picked up more regulars year on year...

Jamie, you're wonderful. Thank you for replying. It's really interesting to hear the inside workings of festival math. And I agree with whiney who said that ATP is pretty much doing everything right.

For the tiered pricing, I didn't mean to necessarily have different quality of things. However, if you did tiered pricing, you could reward returning festival goers and early birds in addition to making more money overall. Say that the 4-person room normally goes for $600, and you have a quantity of 100 rooms available. Instead you could do:

Rooms #1-25 sold (returners only): $500
Rooms #26-50 sold: $575
Rooms #51-75 sold: $650
Rooms #76-100 sold: $725

The revenue from the old system was $60,000, but through tiered pricing you get $61,250, AND you have the opportunity to reward returning customers and early birds.

Mr. Fuzz
09-25-2010, 03:15 PM
I love the word extraneous. Also, it's going to be hard to beat this years line up. Does Television still play? It would be amazing to see them play Marquee Moon for a don't look back set.

knytt
09-25-2010, 03:20 PM
I love the word extraneous. Also, it's going to be hard to beat this years line up. Does Television still play? It would be amazing to see them play Marquee Moon for a don't look back set.

They don't play much, and very sporadically. I think they played ATP in England like 10 years ago. Either way, I would have to go if they played Marquee Moon.

Birds vs Worms
09-26-2010, 05:35 AM
i hate to be a downer but as most of you guys know, weeklymix, my girlfriend and i took a roadtrip to atp from texas. we convinced zack to it with a free tattoo(which turned out really great btw) and that we'd pay 2/3 of the gas. so on our way out of houston, zack asks if it's ok if we pay for gas on the way up and he'd pay for it on the way back. we agree because we'd save some money(extra money for merch) and we were going a little out of the way to visit some of my good friends in baltimore.

so atp is amazing and the weekend finally comes to an end and we meet zack in the lobby monday morning to leave and he starts explaining how he can't access his bank account and that it's a branch-specific problem that can't be sorted out over the phone. so we agree that i would pay for everything(gas, food and energy drinks for z) and that zack would hit me back up when i go to austin that friday to see sleep play again.

friday rolls around and the whole time i'm in austin, i get no response from texts or calls tom zack. sleep was awesome( sound wasn't as good as atp though) and we decide to head back. i get a text from zack the next day saying some lame excuse about how he got black out drunk or whatever. anyways, he says that he'll mail out a check the next day. still waiting for that one. he says he mailed it out but i'm calling bullshit.

about a week ago he says he'll paypal me and i still haven't received anything from him. chances are i probably won't be getting any of my money back. i don't really care too much about the money, i just thought i would let you guys know that zack sucks. i know some of you guys roomed with him and spent a good amount of time together at atp. did he pull any other shady shit with you guys? share your thoughts with me

Courtney
09-26-2010, 09:43 AM
i hate to be a downer but as most of you guys know, weeklymix, my girlfriend and i took a roadtrip to atp from texas. we convinced zack to it with a free tattoo(which turned out really great btw) and that we'd pay 2/3 of the gas. so on our way out of houston, zack asks if it's ok if we pay for gas on the way up and he'd pay for it on the way back. we agree because we'd save some money(extra money for merch) and we were going a little out of the way to visit some of my good friends in baltimore.

so atp is amazing and the weekend finally comes to an end and we meet zack in the lobby monday morning to leave and he starts explaining how he can't access his bank account and that it's a branch-specific problem that can't be sorted out over the phone. so we agree that i would pay for everything(gas, food and energy drinks for z) and that zack would hit me back up when i go to austin that friday to see sleep play again.

friday rolls around and the whole time i'm in austin, i get no response from texts or calls tom zack. sleep was awesome( sound wasn't as good as atp though) and we decide to head back. i get a text from zack the next day saying some lame excuse about how he got black out drunk or whatever. anyways, he says that he'll mail out a check the next day. still waiting for that one. he says he mailed it out but i'm calling bullshit.

about a week ago he says he'll paypal me and i still haven't received anything from him. chances are i probably won't be getting any of my money back. i don't really care too much about the money, i just thought i would let you guys know that zack sucks. i know some of you guys roomed with him and spent a good amount of time together at atp. did he pull any other shady shit with you guys? share your thoughts with me

No, he did not pull any "shady shit." I'm going to wait and let him respond to this one before I comment further.

:nono

bmack86
09-26-2010, 09:44 AM
Yup, Zack was a gentleman and a scholar the whole time.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 10:43 AM
Putting that out on a public message board is the opposite of classy. Zack's not a shitty person, so if I were you I'd evaluate what I did to make things problematic.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 10:44 AM
Like, did either of you ever take the wheel there or back? Because if not I think that's more than a fair trade, and shitty of you to boot.

bmack86
09-26-2010, 10:56 AM
Yup, I wasn't gonna mention that, but driving is a major part of a road trip.

whiney
09-26-2010, 11:36 AM
you guys are seriously defending that its fair for someone to pay for 3-4 days worth of someone's food/drinks/gas because they drove a car?

minogueCOMMAk
09-26-2010, 11:49 AM
Posting this issue on a public message board is ridiculous.

Birds vs Worms
09-26-2010, 12:48 PM
Like, did either of you ever take the wheel there or back? Because if not I think that's more than a fair trade, and shitty of you to boot.

as much as we both insisted on giving zack a break with driving duties, neither of us took the wheel on the whole trip. his stubbornness to do the whole drive was a little worrisome to me, kinda unsafe to be up that long and be driving. anyways, he handled it like a champ though.


Putting that out on a public message board is the opposite of classy.

i know it's not classy to put his shit on blast here but the dude won't answer my calls or reply to my texts or emails. i'm probably not getting my money back so why not call him out here.


if I were you I'd evaluate what I did to make things problematic

this i don't understand.

miscorrections
09-26-2010, 01:13 PM
Because most of us are friends with him, and we a) don't have anything to say to make you feel better and b) think shit should generally be handled privately even if you can't get in touch.

rage patton
09-26-2010, 01:31 PM
Zack called me up Thursday of Coachella this year saying he was having issues with the place he was staying at for Coachella, and asked if I had a place for him and his girlfriend to crash. I did, so I let him and his lady friend stay with us. He then insisted to pay us for letting them stay, but because I got the place for free, I insisted he couldn't. So he snuck out that night, stocked our fridge full of groceries and bought us beer. He caused no problems and he was a blast to hang out with all weekend.

I cannot comment on what happened to you bird vs worms, and I believe only Zack can. I am just letting you know, in my experience, Zack is an all around awesome guy.

vinylmartyr
09-26-2010, 01:45 PM
I'm not friends with Zack. If he did not pay after trying contact him several times I would have no problem putting him on blast here. With that said I probably would not do it and just chalk it up to him being a dirtbag.

rskapcat
09-26-2010, 01:54 PM
Jamie, you're wonderful. Thank you for replying. It's really interesting to hear the inside workings of festival math. And I agree with whiney who said that ATP is pretty much doing everything right.

For the tiered pricing, I didn't mean to necessarily have different quality of things. However, if you did tiered pricing, you could reward returning festival goers and early birds in addition to making more money overall. Say that the 4-person room normally goes for $600, and you have a quantity of 100 rooms available. Instead you could do:

Rooms #1-25 sold (returners only): $500
Rooms #26-50 sold: $575
Rooms #51-75 sold: $650
Rooms #76-100 sold: $725

The revenue from the old system was $60,000, but through tiered pricing you get $61,250, AND you have the opportunity to reward returning customers and early birds.

Courtney, I had to send an extra payment to get a bigger room this year after I paid for a smaller one. That means they sold out of the 5 berth rooms in the time it took me to send my payment after receiving my confirmation email. And I jumped on rooms the second I got the email saying they were available. I'd rather not be forced to pay a higher price for the exact same room just because my request happened to be number 26, you know?

rskapcat
09-26-2010, 02:19 PM
I guess I just approach money stuff differently than others. If I pay for something for someone, I do it with the understanding that I may never see that money again. It's a little different when it's a sale of goods; I just wouldn't give the person what they were buying until they paid me. But in a situation like BvW's, I would just write the person off as a flake & not help them again if the situation wasn't resolved in the way I wanted. Lesson learned...move on.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
09-26-2010, 02:36 PM
Because Zack is a cool guy that a lot of people know, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't have a problem with Birds Vs Worms taking issue here, since this is where he met Zack, and Zack isn't answering his emails/calls. I'm sure/I hope there is a good explanation for the issue.

weeklymix
09-26-2010, 02:47 PM
There was a lot of stuff here but, eh. This is being taken care of.

mountmccabe
09-26-2010, 04:22 PM
Courtney, I had to send an extra payment to get a bigger room this year after I paid for a smaller one. That means they sold out of the 5 berth rooms in the time it took me to send my payment after receiving my confirmation email. And I jumped on rooms the second I got the email saying they were available. I'd rather not be forced to pay a higher price for the exact same room just because my request happened to be number 26, you know?

I agree with Becca; it seems like the plan would net a small amount of extra money but would cause considerable frustration for the customers purchasing the rooms.

Icemouse
09-26-2010, 06:09 PM
I agree with Becca; it seems like the plan would net a small amount of extra money but would cause considerable frustration for the customers purchasing the rooms.
ATP gets an extra $1,000, people who are late to purchase lose $250 each. I too disagree with this plan.. Even though I bought ASAP, I still find it unfair that people who can't commit immediately would have to cover costs for other people with little gain for ATP in the end

fastmusicfan
09-27-2010, 02:25 PM
Anybody know if Pitchfork filmed anything at ATP this year?

Birds vs Worms
09-27-2010, 02:55 PM
i was talking to gustav from dungen and he was so so excited about seeing cool herc and the gza. he said he brought his turntables with him and i think he mentioned that he filmed something with that in one of the rooms. don't know if it was for pitchfork or not.

fastmusicfan
09-27-2010, 04:57 PM
I enjoyed the room tapings last year especially the Melvins. I don't remember how long after ATP they were on Pfork, though.

fastmusicfan
10-05-2010, 04:07 PM
Albini interview recorded at Kutsher's in which he talks about ATP and other Albiniesque stuff. http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/09/steve-albini.html

fastmusicfan
10-19-2010, 07:02 PM
I added to my ATP 2010 flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Courtney
10-19-2010, 07:29 PM
I added to my ATP 2010 flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tecartmel/sets/72157624920812968/

Fantastic. Especially this one:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/5098013109_6172ba0992_z.jpg

And this one makes me want to get there a day early and go explore the Raleigh next year:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4975235745_849db1c5d0_z.jpg

fastmusicfan
10-19-2010, 07:39 PM
Thank you Courtney, though I'm humbled by your skills with a camera. My current approach is have my point and shoot with me and keep pushing the button. Works sometimes, though.

artex
10-25-2010, 09:33 AM
so... is this going to happen again or no?

TallGuyCM
10-25-2010, 09:43 AM
Because we'd know for sure by now.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 03:53 PM
Kinda looks like tickets went on sale late November last year. Man, a Jamie post would really come in handy here.

Courtney
10-25-2010, 05:51 PM
New idea: Lydia Lunch curating.

She has collaborated with Thurston/Kim/Sonic Youth, Nick Cave/Rowland S. Howard/The Birthday Party, Marc Almond (of Soft Cell), Steven Severin (of Siouxsie and the Banshees), Michael Gira, and Brian Eno. Sounds good to me.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 06:02 PM
That scares me a little. In a good way.

Courtney
10-25-2010, 06:23 PM
It would be AWESOME. Her ethos seems like it would fit really well with the ATP aesthetic. Only, you know, more boobs.

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 06:45 PM
You're totally right, but first I just want to know that this festival is happening.

Icemouse
10-25-2010, 08:14 PM
The May ATP gets announced this wednesday


in other words, i'm not getting my hopes up until after christmas time

fastmusicfan
10-25-2010, 08:22 PM
I was thinking the same thing until I looked up when ATP NY was announced last year. I hope it's after Christmas financially, though.

Icemouse
10-26-2010, 06:13 AM
I suppose ATP may is only a few weeks late in announcement, might be sooner than expected.. pavement having been announced on oct 7. i'd prefer a slightly later announcement personally, agreeing that if it came out maybe mid january or early february that'd be nice... having said that i'm not quite patient enough to stand by that statement

Icemouse
10-26-2010, 07:26 PM
Also not sure what it's worth but I inquired if there would be a US atp membership which included NY tickets. They said it isn't planned but it's possible - which is a much better response than "there won't be another ATP NY"

Birds vs Worms
10-27-2010, 08:51 AM
for how much did the smallest rooms at kutshers' go for last year?

dorkfish
10-27-2010, 08:53 AM
3 Berth Room: $508.50 + paypal fee = $530
4 Berth Room: $678 + paypal fee = $710
5 Berth Room: $847.50 + paypal fee = $885
6 Berth Room: $1017 + paypal fee = $1060
7 Berth Room: $1185.50 + paypal fee = $1235

Birds vs Worms
10-27-2010, 09:03 AM
thanks man

last year there were 9 of us in a 7 berth. it worked out fine and everything but it was tad crowded. next time it's gonna be 3 of us in a 3 berth. and i'll flying this time.

miscorrections
10-27-2010, 09:05 AM
5 in a 6 berth worked out nicely in terms of space, although I would've much rather had the original 6. Sigh.

dorkfish
10-27-2010, 09:07 AM
yeah....

miscorrections
10-27-2010, 09:09 AM
Unless you too would have strewn fake hair all over the bathroom. In which case no one wins.

mountmccabe
10-27-2010, 05:15 PM
Sigh.

Ugh. Sorry, again.

bmack86
10-27-2010, 06:13 PM
Ahahaha. I had forgotten about our roommate switch-up.

Courtney
10-27-2010, 06:18 PM
Ha.

I would just like to say that the Becca room this year was like a little slice of paradise. Thanks for being excellent roomies. And for not having hair extensions or desecrating the bathroom. High five room. Would purchase again.

rskapcat
10-28-2010, 04:56 AM
Our room was indeed awesome. Two thumbs up.

suprefan
10-29-2010, 06:00 PM
....


sunn0)))/Boris-Altar live recording from ATP 8/2010 on WFMU November 2nd from 12-3 PM! http://www.wfmu.org/

Birds vs Worms
11-06-2010, 08:32 PM
edited for response

weeklymix
11-06-2010, 08:38 PM
Yeah check your email here in a sec.

Courtney
11-08-2010, 10:59 PM
These make me feel sort of sad: photos of empty Kutshers
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/redrum0486/sets/72157625210862489/with/5156604748/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1358/5155997911_9e272b5a33_z.jpg

fastmusicfan
11-09-2010, 04:24 PM
That guy's whole photo stream is pretty great. Depressing and rundown, but great.

cs5000
11-16-2010, 09:50 AM
Maybe the photostream of an empty Kutshers has me nostalgic for ATP or the time when an announcement should be coming rolling by, but I thought about reviving the make ATP more viable discussion.

So my thought for how it could work, as it seems a one-off I'll Be Your Mirror Event in NYC seems more likely at this point, but I'd hate to see the Kutshers weekend not come back.

1. Eliminate day tickets, there are lots of reasons in my opinion:

-The fest really works better in the context of 3 days, going 1 day without discovering new bands or exploring the hotel or meeting new people just isn't the same and less likely to convert people to automatic ticket buyers. And Monticello just isn't close enough to NYC for it to be a convenient one-day trip.

-The perception of the line-up as whole just looks better as a group of bands when you don't break it up by day. Even though the festival is a great value it's not exactly cheap and easier to find faults in the individual days. If someone hasn't been to the festival I can understand the things people said about the days last year (Friday - only 4 bands, Saturday - I can just see the bands in NYC, Sunday - no big headliner),
whereas if the line-up was focused on the weekend - Iggy, Sonic Youth, Sleep, Sunn 0)))+Boris, etc. the line-up just looks like an awesome list of bands. I've always looked at the British festival line-ups and thought they looked a bit thin when broken up into set times but really strong as full-list.

-without day tickets there will be a bit more freedom with the set-times, if I had a complaint about this past year it was the sequencing of the bands. Saturday was too packed with bands that sets felt too short and there was no time to relax, while Friday and Sunday were a bit light. While I still think Jarmusch picked good bands, it was bit weird to have Girls on at a prime main stage time when Shellac/Breeders/Neu! were rushing through sets and the Books had to be on the second stage the day before. Even though Sleep were awesome, 2 hours was bit long and Friday could have benefited from picking up one of Saturday's bands as well.

2. Get a bigger headliner

Without day tickets the weekend can have one big headliner foregoing the need to have each day be somewhat equal in terms of line-up. It's unfortunate but a lot of people will make their decision based on one band. The difficulty of having a festival near New York is that there so many concerts readily available so people have to be ensured of something special before they'll buy into leaving the city for music (which ATP already is but, you have to get people to the festival before they can understand that).

-so if you can start the announcement with a guarantee of a big name in an intimate venue (lets just say a band like Pulp, hint), it's easier for potential ticket buyers to justify going out of town and the rest of the festival becomes a bonus.

3. Focus the Festival

-I like the eclectic line-ups, but to convince someone to go out-of-town for three days there needs to be more continuity between the days. The way the British versions are able to unite the entire weekend by having one band curate, the NY version just has to avoid splitting its audience (maybe ATP picks half, curator picks other half and both picks are distributed throughout the weekend).
-Again I like how creative ATP are with setting up the weekends events, but the main thing ticket buyers look for are bands. If you could drop comedy and add a couple of bands, or name DJ's like the Godspeed version, it's more incentive to buy tickets.

I hope this doesn't come-off as a complaint list, just some thoughts on making it appeal to an American audience.

wmgaretjax
11-16-2010, 09:55 AM
switch to the west coast. we will buy more tickets, i swear it.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
11-16-2010, 09:57 AM
I am pretty sure Wine Country could accommodate ATP.

SoulDischarge
11-16-2010, 10:07 AM
Fuck you guys. You get enough shit as it is.

wmgaretjax
11-16-2010, 10:08 AM
we get shit because we actually attend stuff...

just take a look at east coast tours... the openers are always better than the west coast, because they need the extra draw and people realize the west coast will man up regardless.

dorkfish
11-16-2010, 10:09 AM
I'd push for Central Valley. LA/SF people would have to drive a few hours, but they could rent a large grouping of cabins or some other resort for a tenth of the cost it takes to book at Kutshers.

Plus ATP Bakersfield or ATP Fresno sounds hilarious.

wmgaretjax
11-16-2010, 10:10 AM
hahahaha. that would be awesome.

miscorrections
11-16-2010, 10:14 AM
As someone from the Central Coast the thought of having to go to Bakersfield or Fresno makes me shudder.

SoulDischarge
11-16-2010, 10:16 AM
we get shit because we actually attend stuff...

just take a look at east coast tours... the openers are always better than the west coast, because they need the extra draw and people realize the west coast will man up regardless.

Yeah, but you typically get more douchebags at shows than we do.

dorkfish
11-16-2010, 10:16 AM
Who wouldn't want to see Aphex Twin in Modesto?

SoulDischarge
11-16-2010, 10:16 AM
They should just hold it in the middle of Oklahoma. Centralized, inconvenient for everyone, and fucking surreal.

dorkfish
11-16-2010, 10:18 AM
They should just hold it in the middle of Oklahoma. Centralized, inconvenient for everyone, and fucking surreal.
Flaming Lips already curated.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
11-16-2010, 10:19 AM
let's time ATP Modesto with a Harley ride. We can have a chili cook-off with the bikers while Fuck Buttons play in the background.

dorkfish
11-16-2010, 10:21 AM
let's time ATP Modesto with a Harley ride. We can have a chili cook-off with the bikers while Fuck Buttons play in the background.
It's the Valley. You mean "F Buttons"

SoulDischarge
11-16-2010, 10:22 AM
Hanson haven't.

wmgaretjax
11-16-2010, 10:37 AM
I'd get behind Oklahoma.

Still-ill
11-16-2010, 10:40 AM
ATP Alcatraz

dorkfish
11-16-2010, 10:44 AM
ATP Alcatraz
Not that it could ever happen. But that's potentially the best idea ever.

Courtney
11-16-2010, 10:58 AM
You west coast whiners need to give an example of a feasible venue that would be as cool as Kutsher's. Is there one?

Still-ill
11-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Two posts up.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
11-16-2010, 11:01 AM
They should just hold it in the middle of Oklahoma. Centralized, inconvenient for everyone, and fucking surreal.

Central Valley California is essentially Oklahoma with slightly better weather.

TeamCoachellaHellYeah
11-16-2010, 11:02 AM
You west coast whiners need to give an example of a feasible venue that would be as cool as Kutsher's. Is there one?

Alcatraz and Wine Country. Almost anything in Northern California.

Courtney
11-16-2010, 11:05 AM
You guys aren't listening. FEASIBLE and COOL. Any alternative venue would need to at least satisfy the standards set by Kutshers:

(1) It's entirely contained for the full weekend. A large part of ATP's appeal is that the bands and fans stay in the same small resort, and all performances take place on site.

(2) It's visually interesting in some somewhat unique way (retro kitsch in the case of Kutsher's).

(3) All of the facilities are already in place, so ATP has minimal set-up work to do.

bmack86
11-16-2010, 11:06 AM
When I was in Tuscon recently, we were marvelling over the Hotel Congress and how, if it just had a bigger capacity, it'd be perfect for an ATP event. There's a venue in the lobby and a larger venue across the street. If they could do that I'd be so happy.

And it's an awesome place. John Dillinger died there, and it's a haunted old school hotel, and both the venues looked really cool.

wmgaretjax
11-16-2010, 11:07 AM
You west coast whiners need to give an example of a feasible venue that would be as cool as Kutsher's. Is there one?

We aren't whining... as much as suggesting a more profitable general geographic location. How many of us flew out to NY multiple times? Given that attendance the last three years has at least been a mild issue, maybe a change of location might help?

Courtney
11-16-2010, 11:09 AM
When I was in Tuscon recently, we were marvelling over the Hotel Congress and how, if it just had a bigger capacity, it'd be perfect for an ATP event. There's a venue in the lobby and a larger venue across the street. If they could do that I'd be so happy.

And it's an awesome place. John Dillinger died there, and it's a haunted old school hotel, and both the venues looked really cool.

That sounds pretty awesome. How about a mini fest, curated by Heaven Hill?

Courtney
11-16-2010, 11:11 AM
We aren't whining... as much as suggesting a more profitable general geographic location. How many of us flew out to NY multiple times? Given that attendance the last three years has at least been a mild issue, maybe a change of location might help?

Ok, that's fair. But I still challenge you to come up with a specific suggestion of a location instead of batting around large geographic areas.

Gribbz
11-16-2010, 11:19 AM
When I was in Tuscon recently, we were marvelling over the Hotel Congress and how, if it just had a bigger capacity, it'd be perfect for an ATP event. There's a venue in the lobby and a larger venue across the street. If they could do that I'd be so happy.

And it's an awesome place. John Dillinger died there, and it's a haunted old school hotel, and both the venues looked really cool.

I'm creating my pitch right now. Photos included. =)

I think it's the perfect setting.

bmack86
11-16-2010, 11:19 AM
Holy Shit, the summer camps in San Bernardino. They use old cabins and I know the one I went to had a bandstand set up. Sure, it's outdoors, but that'd be so badass. It'd be real summer camp indie rock style, not camping the way east coast people do it, without ever leaving a building.

Courtney
11-16-2010, 11:29 AM
That would be pretty badass. I'm thinking bonfires and boyscout badge-style marketing graphics. Are there summer camps that have ATP-sized capacity?

Gribbz
11-16-2010, 11:31 AM
You guys aren't listening. FEASIBLE and COOL. Any alternative venue would need to at least satisfy the standards set by Kutshers:

(1) It's entirely contained for the full weekend. A large part of ATP's appeal is that the bands and fans stay in the same small resort, and all performances take place on site.

(2) It's visually interesting in some somewhat unique way (retro kitsch in the case of Kutsher's).

(3) All of the facilities are already in place, so ATP has minimal set-up work to do.


ATP Arizona:



In 1919, Hotel Congress was built to serve the growing cattle industry & railroad passengers of the Southern Pacific Line. The Congress of the 1920s was the perfect shelter for travelers and high-rollers fresh from the East. Hotel Congress could have continued its charming existence as just another place of lodging for road weary guests, except that the date of January 22, 1934 has forever stamped its historical mark upon this edifice.
A fire started in the basement of the hotel and spread up the elevator to the third floor. This fire led to the capture of one of the country’s most notorious criminals—John Dillinger.

After a series of bank robberies, the Dillinger gang came to Tucson to “lay low”. The gang resided on the third floor under aliases. After the desk clerk contacted them through the switchboard, (still in operation), the incognito gang escaped by aerial ladders.
On the urgent request of the gang, and encouraged by a generous tip, two firemen retrieved their heavy luggage. It was later discovered that the bags contained a small arsenal and $23,816 in cash. Later, this astute fireman recognized the gang in True Detective Magazine. A stakeout ensued and they were captured at a house on North Second Avenue.
In the space of five hours, without firing a single shot, the police of small town Tucson had done what the combined forces of several states and the FBI had tried so long to do. When captured, Dillinger simply muttered, “Well, I’ll be damned!”

Ghosts
Ghost stories and legends also help keep the past alive at Hotel Congress. A gentleman in an old-fashioned gray suit named T.S. has been seen peering out the windows of the 2nd floor. He may have been the victim of a gunfight over a card game. A female ghost wearing Victorian clothing and smelling of roses enjoys the limelight of the stairwell and lobby. Then there is the hotel’s beloved Vince, who was a permanent resident for 36 years until his passing in 2001. Hotel staff members have been finding butter knives from the Cup Cafe, like the one he used for a screwdriver, in various locations around the 2nd floor

The Tap Room has been popular with the locals since its inception in 1919. In the late 1930s and 1940s, the Tap Room was given its touch of western class. Pete Martinez was a famous artist and rodeo cowboy. While he roped & bucked with the best in New York, his artwork was featured in art exhibits, including the lobby of the Garden & Woolworth Galleries. He retired in Tucson with his wife. Though it’s been suggested that Martinez painted pictures to pay for his keep here at Hotel Congress, they are just rumors. His paintings grace the walls of the Tap Room for one simple reason— it was his watering hole. He enjoyed the company and the drinks so much that he bestowed some of his art to show his appreciation. Many celebrities and regular folk collect Pete Martinez’ work— in fact, we are regularly asked to sell his work to collectors. We always smile and say “No”. We want his work to remain where he felt at home.

Club Congress came to life in 1985. From the beginning, Club Congress was progressive, unique, and the most happening nightspot in town. At one time, the club was a white linen & silver dining room—it’s now a showcase for national and local bands, performance artists, poets and DJs. Its accolades include being named one of the top clubs in the United States by several magazines and publications, including Entertainment Magazine and Playboy.

The Lobby was painted by wandering artist Larry Boyce. Boyce traveled throughout the West selling his wares. While wandering artists of yesteryear traveled by horse, Boyce arrived on bicycle in the spring of 1989 and offered to decorate the lobby in “Southwest Deco.”

Copper Hall is the Hotel’s banquet facility. It originated in the fall of 2000. Its historical edge, combined with classic Congress elegance, provides a signature touch to any event.

Over the past several decades, the hotel seems to have attracted a regular and international clientele, drawn by the elegance of the building and affordable rates. Many guests find the refurbished yet original rooms refreshing. We welcome you and encourage you to partake in our history.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/HotelCongress.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/panhotel.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/lobby.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/TucsonAZ028.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/1879009_f520.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/spuofb_MG_0936tb1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/tucson-hotel-congress-lobby.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/galcup_nightmeal.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/DJArcLight/ATP%20Arizona/galclub_stage.jpg

Like Bryan said, The Rialto is across the street. Holds about 1,800 people. All of the bands that play usually stay at Congress. Clearly a pipe dream... but it would be a great event that the community would support. I wish I could post better pics... but my camera is busted.
http://www.hotelcongress.com/

Still-ill
11-16-2010, 11:33 AM
ATP Flagstaff.

Gribbz
11-16-2010, 11:36 AM
ATP Flagstaff.

Sedona would be pretty bad ass.

SoulDischarge
11-16-2010, 11:59 AM
ATP Cedar Point.

Courtney
11-16-2010, 02:02 PM
ATP Cedar Point.

Actually, I love the theme park idea. Siren Fest style.

Something like Darien Lake (http://www.godarienlake.com/) comes to mind to me: resort hotel, cabins, and RV and camping facilities for probably 2,000+ attendees, a performing arts center with good acoustic set up for large concerts, and the ability to accommodate large crowds in terms of parking, food, etc.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/3821547606_df0375428d_z.jpg?zz=1

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3859996634_0b4fc6ffb8_z.jpg

But Darien Lake itself probably wouldn't work for this specific case because (1) it's in the middle of nowhere halfway between Buffalo and Rochester, New York, with no major metropolitan area music-lover population to draw upon and (2) its amphitheater is actually probably TOO big.

Still-ill
11-16-2010, 02:41 PM
ATP Albuquerque

ivankay
11-16-2010, 03:20 PM
Holy Shit, the summer camps in San Bernardino. They use old cabins and I know the one I went to had a bandstand set up. Sure, it's outdoors, but that'd be so badass. It'd be real summer camp indie rock style, not camping the way east coast people do it, without ever leaving a building.


That would be pretty badass. I'm thinking bonfires and boyscout badge-style marketing graphics. Are there summer camps that have ATP-sized capacity?

http://topnews.net.nz/images/Camp-Rock-Newcomer.jpg

Courtney
11-16-2010, 03:26 PM
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Stagedoor Manor would probably be an amazing venue for ATP. It has 6-8 theaters that could be easily outfitted for shows, plus all the summer camp amenities/housing/kitsch factor.

But it's small, right? Maybe sleeps 400 total?

softbulletin
11-16-2010, 04:50 PM
Actually, I love the theme park idea. Siren Fest style.

Something like Darien Lake (http://www.godarienlake.com/) comes to mind to me: resort hotel, cabins, and RV and camping facilities for probably 2,000+ attendees, a performing arts center with good acoustic set up for large concerts, and the ability to accommodate large crowds in terms of parking, food, etc.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2495/3821547606_df0375428d_z.jpg?zz=1

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3859996634_0b4fc6ffb8_z.jpg

But Darien Lake itself probably wouldn't work for this specific case because (1) it's in the middle of nowhere halfway between Buffalo and Rochester, New York, with no major metropolitan area music-lover population to draw upon and (2) its amphitheater is actually probably TOO big.

Dariens amphitheater is terrible.

Icemouse
11-16-2010, 04:59 PM
The spot has to be near enough to a major metropolitan area which is on the order of magnitude of New York in both size and musical interest. At the same time, it has to be somewhat in the middle of nowhere to feel isolated. Also, imo, it HAS to be indoors.

I'm not seeing a ton that meet these specifications. Except Alcatraz. Which I'm all for

Courtney
11-16-2010, 05:59 PM
Dariens amphitheater is terrible.

Ha, this is quite possible. I haven't been there since I was maybe 8 or 9 years old.

Drinkey McDrinkerstein
11-16-2010, 06:58 PM
How about a cruise ship? Something similar to this:
http://www.70000tons.com/

softbulletin
11-16-2010, 07:26 PM
Ha, this is quite possible. I haven't been there since I was maybe 8 or 9 years old.

It would be cool to see Steve Albini riding roller coasters though.

MrAmeche
11-16-2010, 08:41 PM
I for one would be sad to see ATP leave Kutshers. I went to ATP LA '03 (Queen Mary) and it wasn't one-tenth as fun as the NY events have been. I still say a better Sunday curator (see: MBV '08) will result in a sold-out fest, plain and simple. Flaming Lips were overexposed when they curated in '09 and Jarmusch flat-out sucked eggs as a lineup creator last year. Not saying I haven't had a blast all three years, but the thing's also gotta appeal on some commercial level to those who aren't already aware of how cool the Kutshers experience can be.

fastmusicfan
11-17-2010, 05:26 AM
I agree MrAmeche, except I think Jarmusch was good, but lacked or couldn't land that key Sunday night closer that would have sealed the deal. That being said, Altar was great, but I don't think pulled alot of people for the weekend who wouldn't have come anyway. I would be super sad to see ATP leave Kutshers but would attend ATP anywhere in America as long as it was the 3 day fest. New York works great for me, though, even coming from the deep South. There's no way the economy isn't hurting this thing, too.

rskapcat
11-24-2010, 06:12 AM
From the Portishead thread.


Curating another ATP. July 23-24 in London.

http://www.seetickets.com/Tour/I-LL-BE-YOUR-MIRROR-CURATED-BY-PORTISHEAD-ATP



Thats all I got, so is anyone happy?

Would be nice to at least get ATP NY dates for next year. :-/

Icemouse
11-26-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm not holding my breath for a big announcement until after the new year. They seem like they're trying to get more of the lineup solidified before making announcements. The way I look at it, they've announced as far as July, wait another month for them to get around September. That's just speculation, though.

I thought it was interesting that they're already deviating from the one-night model for the 'I'll Be Your Mirror's and they haven't even had one yet. I still want the 3 days though, of course. Don't Look Back is always one of my favorite parts of ATPNY, musically

Courtney
11-26-2010, 10:44 AM
II still want the 3 days though, of course.

I want, like, 27 days. But that's just me ;)

send me ctrpllrs
11-27-2010, 04:16 PM
I'd be all for 27 days, I'd probably die of happiness though.

Birds vs Worms
11-28-2010, 09:28 AM
do you guys remember when the last couple ny atp's announced? november or december?

bmack86
11-28-2010, 10:10 AM
The last ones were announced pretty much right after the one prior to it ended.

andymcdandy
11-28-2010, 10:11 AM
November for 2010 and September for 2009

wmgaretjax
11-28-2010, 10:12 AM
yeah... we have definitely never waited this long.

Thisismyname
11-28-2010, 10:19 AM
I wouldn't be that surprised if they end up doing an "I'll be your mirror" event in Manhattan or even in another major market rather than another full fledged ATP NY.

bmack86
11-28-2010, 10:39 AM
I don't think I'd fly over to NY for that unless they had an incredible lineup. Not just really good, but incredible.

Thisismyname
11-28-2010, 10:45 AM
As in, the UK edition level of incredible? Or are you looking for even more?

bmack86
11-28-2010, 11:08 AM
UK would probalby get me to NY. It's hard to justify flying out for what winds up just being a concert, even if the lineup is really good. Staying at Monticello and not being in the city and just having the whole experience is what makes spending the obscene amount of money worth it.

Courtney
11-28-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm with Bryan on this.

But I'm not freaking out about it not being at Kutshers yet. I still have faith.

cs5000
11-29-2010, 09:34 AM
Just to recap when announcements were made:

2010 - Jarmusch

Nov 20 ATP announced - Iggy Confirmed
Nov 25 Tickets on Sale
Feb 15 Jarmusch announced as Curator

2009 - Flaming Lips

Sept 28 Tickets on sale (festival confirmed immediately after the weekend)
Nov 25 First 7 acts confirmed
Dec 11 Flaming Lips announced as curator

2008 - MBV

April 23 My Bloody Valentine Announced as curators, initial acts, tickets right after

So it's not so crazy to wait until the new year for an announcement. The Flaming Lips year was announced super early, and makes everyone think they should have announced everything by now. My guess if it stays at Kutshers they'll want to do one major announcement instead of stringing them along throughout the year.

wmgaretjax
11-29-2010, 09:37 AM
Yeah. I forgot the first year wasn't announced until then. Keep the hope alive!

bmack86
11-29-2010, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I'm hoping they learned last year when they announced stuff early and then there were tons of delays for the subsequent announcements.

And I'm expecting it to be at Monticello again. Here's hoping.

fastmusicfan
11-29-2010, 06:50 PM
Nice work cs5000. Crossing my fingers for Kutsher's. I'll be there (and bring friends). An after the holidays, more fully baked announcement would be great.

Courtney
11-30-2010, 10:46 PM
Barry Hogan & Co lost "a six-figure sum" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/30/all-tomorrows-parties-belle-sebastian-interview) on ATP NY last year. Ouch.

dorkfish
11-30-2010, 10:53 PM
"Hogan still has acts he would like to bring to Butlins: he's after Neil Young and Kraftwerk, and dreams of Wes Anderson curating."

Bring them all to NY...

MrAmeche
12-01-2010, 12:32 AM
Barry Hogan & Co lost "a six-figure sum" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/30/all-tomorrows-parties-belle-sebastian-interview) on ATP NY last year. Ouch.
Ugh. Seems kind of unlikely they'd do it again after taking that hit, especially since they seem to be focusing more on these less-immersive I'll Be Your Mirror events. Hopefully I'm wrong.

fastmusicfan
12-01-2010, 05:00 AM
I'm reading that as last year, not this year, no? I got the impression that they were closer to selling out this year as opposed to last.

cs5000
12-01-2010, 07:07 AM
I don't think the article is based on a current interview so it's likely a reference to the Flaming Lips year.

It's always really hard to judge when you're there how the fest is doing in terms of sales. The first year which sold out never felt that packed other than for My Bloody Valentine's set (which seemed about as full as Sufjan the second year and Iggy the third year). But the Stardust Ballroom holds a ton of people in the back so you're never sure how many people are there.

They said tickets were selling better for this previous year (the hotels sold-out a lot faster), but Sunday was definitely the most empty I've seen it. Couldn't tell though if people had just left early or weren't drawn to any one act in particular.

I actually caught up to Barry Hogan after Boris/Sunn O))), I was pretty drunk and blown away by Altar and thanked him for the fest. I asked him if they were coming back, he wasn't sure because they had "lost a bit of money". I assumed it was done but have been keeping my hopes up it would return (Portishead being in New York for September has me excited for something even if its not the Kutshers three day fest).

It just feels to me like everything is in place for it to work, just have to get a proper headliner for people to latch on to to sell an extra 500 tickets.

cs5000
12-01-2010, 07:27 AM
And just to follow up how cool Barry is (from the Flaming Lips year):

“We’re taking a bath, but I don’t care,” Barry Hogan told me. We were standing in the makeshift production office for the All Tomorrow’s Parties festival, at Kutsher’s, a resort in the Catskills.

Kutsher’s, where Muhammad Ali trained and a thousand schticks were born, was once the jewel of the Borscht Belt. The main venue at Kutsher’s, the Stardust Ballroom, has a capacity of 2,800. But Hogan seemed largely unbothered that only 1,800 tickets to ATP had sold. It is 2009, after all.

Single-day passes to ATP cost less than $100; a ticket for all three days is $235. “With food and hotel, the cost can can be as high as seven hundred dollars,” Hogan told me. “I know that’s a lot of money for some people.” But Hogan has no plans to change how ATP does business. For ten years, ATP has operated without sponsors; it is as close to total independence as any musical operation I’ve ever seen. “We’ve got two events in England at the end of the year that are already sold out, so we’ll be fine. This won’t break us. No way I’m changing now."

Icemouse
12-02-2010, 06:18 AM
I wouldn't call ATP "focusing on I'll Be Your Mirror events". They've mentioned two, on separate continents, in somewhat close succession. They haven't changed the format, or number of festivals coming up as far as we know, and they haven't made any indication that this will be a substitute for New York.

Also, I agree with the thought that Portishead would bring a huge crowd if they were on the bill or even moreso if they curated. How long ago was the last time they played the US(that wasn't coachella)? Last.fm doesn't even have it listed. There are a lot of others that I would like to see curate, but it seems like if you want a safe bet they're as good as you're going to get.

I've been thinking of hopefuls for 2011's Don't Look Back while I wait...

cs5000
12-02-2010, 06:41 AM
Don't look back wishlist sounds more fun (some are not too likely, but whatever) . . .

Mastodon - Leviathan or Blood Mountain
Big Black - Songs About Fucking
The Unicorns - Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone
M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts
Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Architecture and Morality

Birds vs Worms
12-02-2010, 07:59 AM
i want to see mclusky do dallas for a dlb set

fastmusicfan
12-02-2010, 02:49 PM
I'll second the Mclusky set and Future of the Left may as well play that weekend, too.
Also:

The Lemonheads: It's a Shame about Ray
Promise Ring: Nothing Feels Good
Frank Black: Teenager of the Year
Buzzcocks: Singles going Steady
Archers of Loaf: Icky Mettle

dorkfish
12-02-2010, 03:37 PM
How long ago was the last time they played the US(that wasn't coachella)?

2002

bmack86
12-02-2010, 04:34 PM
Well, technically they played the Mayan right before Coachella.

Boourns
12-02-2010, 04:57 PM
2002

Where was this?

dorkfish
12-02-2010, 05:02 PM
Where was this?
I'm wrong, it was Beth Gibbons solo.

1998, then.

shermanoaksyo
12-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Wes Anderson curating ATP would start a chain reaction ending in a hipster black hole that consumes all of britain

cs5000
12-02-2010, 06:13 PM
When they announced the Portishead ATP event for London they followed up saying they were touring the US in sept/oct. I'm just assuming New York in September, which works with ATPNY's timeframe

Icemouse
12-05-2010, 06:04 PM
i've been hoping for an ATP big black show for a long time now

fastmusicfan
12-05-2010, 06:39 PM
I saw Big Black at the Chicago Touch and Go Birthday thing a few years back and Albini pretty much said the T+G Anniversary is the only thing they would have played together again for. But, if you're going to dream, that's an awesome one.

bmack86
12-05-2010, 07:11 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure ROLAND retired, and they wouldn't do a reunion without the full band.

fastmusicfan
12-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Roland was like a machine at that show, Bmack. Unbelievably precise.

TallGuyCM
12-20-2010, 03:00 PM
So what's the consensus of the likelihood of ATPNY 2011 happening? Am I wasting my time by saving up money in a coffee can?