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Timestretch
11-29-2011, 11:00 AM
I did the indie group when I moved here. Then I saw that I could combine my love of music with my need to discuss "sorta chubby girls" on these boards and I've never looked backed.

faxman75
11-30-2011, 09:55 AM
Police in riot gear, pepper spray has been used, a few arrests. Shut down ALEC protest going on today by Occupy. ALEC is responsible in part for writing SB1070.

Streaming live from Scottsdale.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spiritualution

NPR story about ALEC and the private prison industry.

http://www.npr.org/2010/10/28/130833741/prison-economics-help-drive-ariz-immigration-law

Timestretch
11-30-2011, 11:01 AM
That's a great NPR story. I went on a date with a woman who told me she represents CCA. I immediately left.

TomAz
11-30-2011, 11:43 AM
oh man you passed up a great chance at anal.

Mr. Dylanja
11-30-2011, 11:52 AM
:lool

Timestretch
12-01-2011, 01:53 AM
oh man you passed up a great chance at anal.
lulz...and she was of German descent so I probably would have ended up in something like that Formula One scandal.

HowToDisappear
12-01-2011, 12:20 PM
Hello Phoenix people!

The two of us will be in Sedona for a couple of days for the xmas holiday. We've never been, and realistically, we'll only have a day and a half for exploring. So, if anyone would like to chime in with their favorite hiking/picnicking spots, and a really nice restaurant for a lovely Christmas dinner, it would be appreciated.

chairmenmeow47
12-01-2011, 12:33 PM
there are two oak creek brewerys. one is in an upscale shopping center and was quite yummy, but wasn't as pricy as some of the other restaurants. my computer has the a virus, but i'll try to find the name. i donmt know the names of the vortex trails, but i think one is bell rock. it'll be too cold for slide rock. if you wanna spend a ton of money, the la auberge (sp?) had a brunch that was to die for.

M Sparks
12-01-2011, 12:37 PM
I've been to a lot of Sedona restaurants, but I'm not sure of a place for a very nice Christmas dinner. I was going to say Shagrue's, although I've only been to the Lake Havasu location. However, it appears the Sedona Shagrue's has closed.

Rene is highly recommended, and they have a special Christmas menu. I did some commercial work for Tlaquepaque and can confirm it's lovely, but I've never eaten there.

http://www.rene-sedona.com/rene_site_2011/christmas.html

EDIT ^^^ Oak Creek Brewery is very good, also at Tlaquepaque. Also, for Mexican/southwestern food, Oaxaca is good, been going there for a good 30 years or so.

Mr. Dylanja
12-01-2011, 12:43 PM
I enjoy West Fork Trail, it's about 2 miles south of Slide Rock. It's an easy and level trail, but it does involve crossing the creek at several points. There are usually stepping stones and fallen logs to use, but still might not be the best option this time of year, unless you have the right shoes. Some pics. (http://www.dreamsedona.com/west-fork-trail-pictures.html)

chairmenmeow47
12-01-2011, 12:48 PM
http://www.oakcreekpub.com/brewpub/home.php

http://www.lauberge.com/mobile/dining

locachica73
12-01-2011, 12:49 PM
Oaxaca is good, been going there for a good 30 years or so.

I love that place! Probably not a great place for a Christmas dinner but their breakfast and lunch are yummy. :)

HowToDisappear
12-01-2011, 12:54 PM
Oooh. West Fork Trail looks pretty. We've got good boots; the only issue is if the creek is running high and fast.

I'll check the online menus of the restaurant recs... thanks, all!

amyzzz
12-01-2011, 01:47 PM
ha. I just ate at a Chinese restaurant when I spent Xmas in Sedona. I am lame.

westcoastpirate
12-01-2011, 02:01 PM
Oooh. West Fork Trail looks pretty. We've got good boots; the only issue is if the creek is running high and fast.

I'll check the online menus of the restaurant recs... thanks, all!

You could also check out Red Rock State Park, that is where we had our wedding ceremony:

http://www.pr.state.az.us/parks/RERO/index.html

Oak Creek Brewpub is the restaurant at Tlaquepaque, however, I recommend heading to the actual Oak Creek Brewery which is just down the street if you want drinks, not sure about the food options at the brewery.

Another trail that is insane is Sterling Pass up in Oak Creek Canyon. You'll have to park on the side of Highway 89A. Basically you hike up a number of switchbacks come over a pass, and can then continue on to Vultee Arch, a natural arch and can actually hike to the top of it. This hike is intermediate to difficult.

chairmenmeow47
12-01-2011, 02:09 PM
there is pretty much no food at the other brewery. i was disappointed. i also don't care for their beer as much as my friends do.

HowToDisappear
12-01-2011, 02:16 PM
Well, this kinda sucks... Red Rocks closes at 2 on xmas eve and is closed completely on xmas day. We probably won't get into town until noon at the earliest. Now I'll have to check and see whether other hiking areas will be closed during the holiday, too. That was the plan, to hike during the day (we're not really into strolling around shops and boutiques).

Also, we plan to drive in via the 60-71-89. Is there anything along that route we should stop and see, or maybe hike along before we arrive in town?

TomAz
12-01-2011, 02:19 PM
do stop in Jerome, on 89A between Prescott and Sedona. it's cool.

downingthief
12-01-2011, 02:24 PM
do stop in Jerome, on 89A between Prescott and Sedona. it's cool.

Seconded. Jerome has some great places to eat and drink.

HowToDisappear
12-01-2011, 02:40 PM
Old mining town. Cool. We'll check it out.

I feel better now. The two state parks in the area will be closed, but all the US Forest Service trails are accessible.

TomAz
12-01-2011, 02:41 PM
Be sure to watch out for flying scorpions in that part of the state.

HowToDisappear
12-01-2011, 02:50 PM
You can't scare me, Tom. Flying scorpions are harmless.















(I admit I had to look that up because I didn't even know that fucking flying scorpions existed.)

westcoastpirate
12-01-2011, 03:21 PM
there is pretty much no food at the other brewery. i was disappointed. i also don't care for their beer as much as my friends do.

We had our wedding reception at the brewery. We rented the place out from 5:30pm to close. The owner is totally cool, and had tons of food waiting there for us. I couldn't remember if they made it there or not, I now realize he gave us a quick tour when we were checking it out as a potential spot and there wasn't a kitchen. Anyways I will always speak highly of Oak Creek since they hooked us up with an incredible spot for a party, with all the booze and food, for an incredible price.

They also have a great patio at the brewery, but it will be too cold to utilize it to it's fullest around Christmas time I bet. They might have the fire pit going though.

faxman75
12-01-2011, 03:38 PM
Tomas, we will make that trip to Total Wine soon. I'm thining the middle of this month i'll be do for a stocking up!

chairmenmeow47
12-01-2011, 03:49 PM
that's pretty cool that they had food for you and i also liked the patio, but when we went the only food they had to offer was on an index card and was really just french fries, no entrees except maybe a hot dog. we left since we wanted a real meal and went to the other brewery.

insbordnat
12-01-2011, 04:01 PM
Seconded. Jerome has some great places to eat and drink.

Apparently the "Haunted Hamburger" gets rave reviews. Never been though.

westcoastpirate
12-01-2011, 05:22 PM
Tomas, we will make that trip to Total Wine soon. I'm thining the middle of this month i'll be do for a stocking up!

YES!!! I need to stock up on Anderson Valley Winter Solstice for Christmas!

Somewhat Damaged
12-01-2011, 07:13 PM
Hey, folks, just wanted to remind about my friend's band playing at the Marquee tomorrow night. Jen & I are going to have dinner/drinks somewhere in the area beforehand, probably getting there around 6:30, if anyone would like to join us.

M Sparks
12-01-2011, 11:23 PM
Grapes in Jerome is really good too. They pair everything with wine...I think I had a hot pastrami sandwich.

I can confirm that the actual Oak Creek brewery doesn't have much of anything in the way of food, and I had the same experience as Ivy...went to the brewery for lunch and they sent me to the pub.

downingthief
12-02-2011, 08:30 AM
Apparently the "Haunted Hamburger" gets rave reviews. Never been though.

It is a very tasty burger. Good beer selection, too.

EDIT: Woo Hoo...5000. At least my 5k post had "beer" in it. :)

TomAz
12-05-2011, 05:29 PM
SNOW!!

amyzzz
12-05-2011, 05:30 PM
Lucky you.

captncrzy
12-06-2011, 05:46 AM
I'm in NYC and it's warmer here than it is at home.

TomAz
12-06-2011, 06:54 AM
on sunday morning it was warmer in Anchorage.

chairmenmeow47
12-06-2011, 06:26 PM
i heard it may get into the high 20s. sounds like a swell eve for cocoa and a fire!

and i'm sorry scott for the weather post =P

Somewhat Damaged
12-06-2011, 08:04 PM
Paging Tom: you like the band X, right? They're going to be doing an in-store signing at the Zia Records Chandler location at 6:30 this Friday. Details:

http://www.ziarecords.com/Event/39563

downingthief
12-06-2011, 08:05 PM
YES!!!!

Somewhat Damaged
12-06-2011, 08:39 PM
I work right off Chandler & I-10. Meetup at 5?

downingthief
12-06-2011, 08:41 PM
Possibly. I have a client meeting in Coolidge; all depends on when I get back.

NachoCat
12-06-2011, 09:19 PM
and i'm sorry scott for the weather post =P

Ohhhhhh now you've done it

M Sparks
12-07-2011, 10:09 AM
Paging Tom: you like the band X, right? They're going to be doing an in-store signing at the Zia Records Chandler location at 6:30 this Friday. Details:

http://www.ziarecords.com/Event/39563

Whaaa?

Of course, I don't live right next to this anymore. I actually have a cut-out-bin cassette of X Live On The Sunset Strip which would would be fun to try to get signed. But it's in the back of a storage shed.

downingthief
12-13-2011, 02:07 PM
Very cool news if you are a Pizzeria Bianco fan! (http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/dining/articles/2011/12/12/20111212biancos-second-dining-room-opens-phoenix.html)

captncrzy
12-13-2011, 02:35 PM
That is good news. Maybe we'll finally be able to get a group reservation.

chairmenmeow47
12-13-2011, 07:13 PM
i'm long overdue for hosting a rock band party. expect an invite for something in january soon.

downingthief
12-13-2011, 09:05 PM
i'm long overdue for hosting a rock band party. expect an invite for something in january soon.

Seconded.

I am also long overdue for some sort of gathering. I want to do a "Wine & Vinyl" night. Everyone brings their fave vinyl, we all get drunk and stupid. You know, good times. Now, all I need to do is get a new record player...

captncrzy
12-14-2011, 07:49 AM
Let's do it. I can bring my Japanese DM import thats never been opened. Also, I have my mom's old Beatles vinyl. I'm sure I can borrow Taylor's record player.

faxman75
12-14-2011, 09:19 AM
Seconded.

I am also long overdue for some sort of gathering. I want to do a "Wine & Vinyl" night. Everyone brings their fave vinyl, we all get drunk and stupid. You know, good times. Now, all I need to do is get a new record player...

Like.

amyzzz
12-14-2011, 09:52 AM
Seconded.

I am also long overdue for some sort of gathering. I want to do a "Wine & Vinyl" night. Everyone brings their fave vinyl, we all get drunk and stupid. You know, good times. Now, all I need to do is get a new record player...
I have some vinyl I haven't played in a while because I don't know where my record player is (in the garage somewhere?). So I'll go. :)

downingthief
12-14-2011, 10:35 AM
Cool! I'll have to get something planned...maybe next month?

amyzzz
12-14-2011, 10:39 AM
DO IT

insbordnat
12-15-2011, 10:46 AM
I seemed to remember one of you working for Century Link. I am heavily involved with a local charity (Phoenix Conservatory of Music) and we've just relocated to Metrocenter Mall, and we're going to use Century Link for internet/phone. Do you (whoever you are, was it Amy?) know of any non-profit pricing or perhaps someone in the company that deals with PR/donations/etc. that we could get in contact with?

amyzzz
12-15-2011, 11:01 AM
It's me. I'll send you a PM when I find out something.

faxman75
12-15-2011, 11:03 AM
22 page report from the department of justice on Sheriff Joe.

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/1215arpaioletter.pdf

insbordnat
12-15-2011, 11:10 AM
Awesome Amy, thanks.

chairmenmeow47
12-15-2011, 01:55 PM
i'm long overdue for hosting a rock band party. expect an invite for something in january soon.

actually this will prolly be the first weekend of february in honour of an out of town visitor (not randy).

captncrzy
12-15-2011, 01:58 PM
Uh, who?

TomAz
12-15-2011, 02:01 PM
22 page report from the department of justice on Sheriff Joe.

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/1215arpaioletter.pdf

Shocking. Arpaio discriminates against hispanics. Who'd've thought it?

Mr. Dylanja
12-15-2011, 02:16 PM
At the Puscifer show on Saturday, there was a video display of Maynard dressed up as a cop, flipping off the camera with an Arizona flag behind him. The caption read, "We put the PANIC in Hispanic."

It was great.

chairmenmeow47
12-15-2011, 02:40 PM
Uh, who?

tommy!

feb 3-6

captncrzy
12-15-2011, 03:00 PM
Oh, wow. I had no idea.

chairmenmeow47
12-15-2011, 03:02 PM
he just gave me the word to announce in this thread since he still can't post.

TomAz
12-15-2011, 03:31 PM
how long is he ****ed for?

chairmenmeow47
12-15-2011, 08:52 PM
i don't think he knows lol. he would like to come back though!

rock band party!!!

saturday,february 4th!!!

prolly start early in the evening. this is in honour of tommy coming to visit, which should be solid unless something with work comes up. i'll post a facebook event and the specific time and stuff here. per usual, there will be snacks and some drinks, not sure what yet. if i don't really know you yet or you have a friend i haven't met, just PM me.

i downloaded some new rock band songs! here they are:

touch me - the doors
love me two times - the doors
down on the corner - CREEDENCE
a little respect - erasure (jen <3)
you all everybody - driveshaft (i couldn't help myself)
happy xmas (war is over) - john & yoko, the plastic ono band
oh yoko! - john lennon
ring of fire - johnny cash
bicycle race - queen
you're my best friend - queen
higher ground - stevie wonder
semi-charmed kinda life - third eye blind

M Sparks
12-15-2011, 11:45 PM
Crap. I have to work because I'm going back east the week after and I switched with someone.

EDIT- I wanna do Erasure!!! Well, not DO...

TomAz
12-16-2011, 07:15 AM
I know rock band parties are cool and all but you all really need to read this shit. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/us/arizona-sheriffs-office-unfairly-targeted-latinos-justice-department-says.html?ref=us&pagewanted=print

U.S. Finds Pervasive Bias Against Latinos by Arizona Sheriff
By MARC LACEY

PHOENIX — In a strongly worded critique of the country’s best-known sheriff, the Justice Department on Thursday accused Sheriff Joe Arpaio of engaging in “unconstitutional policing” by unfairly targeting Latinos for detention and arrest and retaliating against those who complain.

After an investigation that lasted more than three years, the civil rights division of the Justice Department said in a 22-page report that the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, which Mr. Arpaio leads, had “a pervasive culture of discriminatory bias against Latinos” that “reaches the highest levels of the agency.” The department interfered with the inquiry, the government said, prompting a lawsuit that eventually led Sheriff Arpaio and his deputies to cooperate.

“We have peeled the onion to its core,” said Thomas E. Perez, the assistant attorney general for civil rights, noting during a conference call with reporters on Thursday morning that more than 400 inmates, deputies and others had been interviewed as part of the review, including Sheriff Arpaio and his command staff. Mr. Perez said the inquiry, which included jail visits and reviews of thousands of pages of internal documents, raised the question of whether Latinos were receiving “second-class policing services” in Maricopa County.

Mr. Perez said he hoped Sheriff Arpaio would cooperate with the federal government in turning the department around. Should he refuse to enter into a court-approved settlement agreement, Mr. Perez said, the government will file a lawsuit and the department could lose millions of dollars in federal money.

A separate federal grand jury investigation of Sheriff Arpaio’s office is continuing, focusing on accusations of abuse of power by the department’s public corruption squad.

Sheriff Arpaio was singled out for criticism in the report, which said that he had used racially charged letters he had received to justify raids and that he helped nurture the department’s “culture of bias.”

Asked at a news conference about Sheriff Arpaio’s role in the department’s problems, Mr. Perez said, “We have to do cultural change and culture change starts with people at the top.” Mr. Perez made a point of reaching out to Sheriff Arpaio’s underlings. “These findings are not meant to impugn your character,” he said to the department’s deputies.

Sheriff Arpaio, 79, who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff,” brushed off the criticism in a news conference as politically motivated. He said he was particularly upset by an announcement by the homeland security secretary, Janet Napolitano, a former Arizona governor, that as a result of the findings of discrimination, the federal government would no longer allow sheriff’s deputies to check the immigration status of inmates in their custody.

“This is a sad day for America as a whole,” Sheriff Arpaio said, suggesting that the federal government’s action was tantamount to setting up a neon welcome sign for illegal immigrants. “We are proud of the work we have done to fight illegal immigration.”

Long a lightning rod for controversy, Sheriff Arpaio looms large over Arizona and beyond. His turf, Maricopa County, with 3.8 million residents, is one of the country’s largest counties in terms of both area and population. Republican candidates at all levels clamor for his backing, aware that he has become a potent symbol of the antipathy many Americans feel about illegal immigration.

Before he endorsed Gov. Rick Perry of Texas for president last month, Sheriff Arpaio was courted by much of the Republican field, including Representative Michele Bachmann, former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts and Herman Cain, a businessman who has since suspended his campaign.

The inquiry’s findings paint a picture of a department staffed by poorly trained deputies who target Latino drivers on the roadways and detain innocent Latinos in the community in their searches for illegal immigrants. The mistreatment, the government said, extends to the jails the department oversees, where Latino inmates who do not speak English are mistreated.

“The absence of clear policies and procedures to ensure effective and constitutional policing,” the report said, “along with the deviations from widely accepted policing and correctional practices, and the failure to implement meaningful oversight and accountability structures, have contributed to a chronic culture of disregard for basic legal and constitutional obligations.”

The report said Latino drivers were four to nine times more likely to be stopped in the sprawling county, which includes Phoenix and its environs, than non-Latino drivers. The expert who conducted the study called it the most egregious racial profiling he had ever seen in this country, said Mr. Perez, the prosecutor, without naming the expert.

The report said that roughly one-fifth of the traffic-related incident reports generated by the department’s human smuggling unit contained information indicating the stops may have been conducted in violation of the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition on unreasonable seizures.

The report also suggested that Sheriff Arpaio’s well-publicized raids aimed at arresting illegal immigrants were sometimes prompted by complaints that described no criminal activity but referred to people with “dark skin” or to Spanish speakers congregating in an area. “The use of these types of bias-infected indicators as a basis for conducting enforcement activity contributes to the high number of stops and detentions lacking in legal justification,” the report said.

Sheriff Arpaio has insisted that he is just enforcing the law and has mentioned in previous interviews that he has an adopted grandchild who is of Mexican descent. He has responded defiantly to past criticisms, with more raids. In the last three years, he has sent deputies into 56 Phoenix-area businesses, resulting in several hundred arrests for identity theft.

Asked at the news conference on Thursday whether he cared about the Latino community, the sheriff said, “I do have compassion, but enforcing the law overrides my compassion.”

As a result of the report, John Morton, director of immigration and customs enforcement, sent a letter Thursday to Maricopa County officials saying that the federal government would no longer provide the immigration status to deputies for anyone involved in a traffic stop, civil infraction or other minor offense.

The report is likely to increase calls for the resignation of Sheriff Arpaio, whose fifth term ends next year. He has vowed to run again. The sheriff, who has won election by wide margins even while frustrating his critics, has seen opposition to his leadership increase in recent months with reports that his department misspent county money and failed to adequately investigate more than 400 sexual-abuse cases, many involving illegal immigrants.

On Wednesday, Sheriff Arpaio’s critics took their case to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, which controls the sheriff office’s purse strings. The board heard a heavy dose of criticism of the sheriff, but also present were some of his backers, who praise his no-tolerance approach toward illegal immigrants. “Police officers make mistakes,” said Jerry Sheridan, Sheriff Arpaio’s chief deputy, in defense of the department.

The Justice Department report quotes from some people characterized as victims of the department’s overzealous ways. It cites the case of a Latino driver who won a $600,000 legal settlement after a deputy intentionally struck him with his patrol car during a traffic stop.

In another case, an inmate was not allowed to use another inmate as an interpreter to tell a detention officer that her sheets were soiled. She was told she had to make the request herself in English, even though she did not speak the language well.

After Sheriff Arpaio received a letter complaining that employees of a McDonald’s in Sun City, a retirement community, did not speak English, the sheriff forwarded the letter to a top aide, who mounted an immigration raid in the area.

Salvador Rodriguez contributed reporting.

locachica73
12-16-2011, 07:22 AM
I read that yesterday Tom. It makes me sick that there are people here that still defend him. He is far worse than most of the "criminals" he jails, yet he will never spend a day in jail. I hope that he somehow has to pay for his crimes, but that just isn't the way this world works. He will probably retire and get a nice pension and run for president or something. Sadly, people will even vote for him then.

captncrzy
12-16-2011, 07:47 AM
Crap. I have to work because I'm going back east the week after and I switched with someone.

EDIT- I wanna do Erasure!!! Well, not DO...

Sorry. I already called it. It's mein.

amyzzz
12-16-2011, 10:07 AM
I will do Erasure later in the night. I love that song.

Somewhat Damaged
12-16-2011, 11:15 AM
Thanks for posting that, Tom. Aggravating read, especially due to the number of coworkers I have who would probably roll their eyes at any criticism against Sheriff Joe. They say his name like that as if they've got a relationship with him akin to one with an uncle. We've got a specific policy at work against discussing politics and it's driven me out of my head whenever the subject's come up at happy hours outside of work since there's only one other person in my department who doesn't think Arpaio is the bee's knees.

downingthief
12-16-2011, 12:05 PM
The guy has been drunk with power for too long. About time he got his.

amyzzz
12-16-2011, 12:06 PM
I'm not celebrating yet. He's pretty old -- can't he just die already?

faxman75
12-16-2011, 12:29 PM
I'm looking forward to my first Rock Band night. I will definitely be there.

captncrzy
12-16-2011, 03:58 PM
Sean--have your wine and vinyl night be a NYE party.

chairmenmeow47
12-18-2011, 04:11 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/justice-report-sings-arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-finally-face-music-article-1.992624#ixzz1gvvtV200

nyarlathotoats
12-18-2011, 06:22 PM
Fuck Sheriff Cotton-Eyed Joe!

Timestretch
12-21-2011, 02:30 PM
Can anyone tell me if the GA/Pit tickets at Comerica are good for seeing a show. Is this just space on the main floor or is it a sunken orchestra pit?

amyzzz
12-21-2011, 02:31 PM
Space up front.

captncrzy
12-21-2011, 02:31 PM
It's just space on the main floor. Stage is a tad high.

TomAz
12-21-2011, 02:36 PM
The nice thing about being there is you can almost forget you're in that Comerica shithole.

Mr. Dylanja
12-21-2011, 02:40 PM
I still think it has the best sound.

TomAz
12-21-2011, 02:42 PM
I think it has the worst sound. Arcade Fire last year was unforgiveably godawful, it was like listening to a cheap stereo.

Mr. Dylanja
12-21-2011, 02:43 PM
*bites tongue*

chairmenmeow47
12-21-2011, 02:45 PM
also hate their sound. it's like there's a giant mute on the stage. i didn't even know they did pit.

Mr. Dylanja
12-21-2011, 02:49 PM
I think it has the worst sound. Arcade Fire last year was unforgiveably godawful, it was like listening to a cheap stereo.

How was it for Beck, do you remember at all? I still kick myself in the ass for missing that. Wasn't there three good shows in town that night?

amyzzz
12-21-2011, 02:51 PM
Agree with both things D said.

TomAz
12-21-2011, 03:05 PM
He said 3 things.

TomAz
12-21-2011, 03:06 PM
Beck was better than AF, yes. Still too quiet. Even the White Stripes seemed too quiet there.

amyzzz
12-21-2011, 03:06 PM
It's hard to keep up when I have to click on each post to see it.

TomAz
12-21-2011, 03:12 PM
you have him on ignore?

amyzzz
12-21-2011, 03:13 PM
It's not working so well, is it?

TomAz
12-21-2011, 03:22 PM
especially not if you're agreeing with him.

captncrzy
12-22-2011, 07:31 AM
lol

Coamerica sound is shite.

downingthief
12-22-2011, 09:17 AM
Sean--have your wine and vinyl night be a NYE party.

Not enough time...want to do it up right!

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 10:57 AM
What venues of comparable size have superior sound?

amyzzz
12-22-2011, 10:57 AM
Do we have any venus of comparable size?

downingthief
12-22-2011, 11:00 AM
VOCS's. I don't think the exist.

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 11:03 AM
That get used? Mezzza Amp maybe, and that's never loud enough because of that stupid hotel.

I don't know, I've always thought the clarity was great. The bass is deep and clean, no rattling. The other instruments always seemed to be mixed well, where you can easily differentiate the sounds of each. It doesn't sound compressed and mudded like so many other local venues, imo.

Now that I think about it, I've always been in that center section (4?) in front of the sound board, or in the pit. That probably has a lot to do with it, lol.

westcoastpirate
12-22-2011, 11:04 AM
I agree with Dylan.

downingthief
12-22-2011, 11:10 AM
I love Mesa Amp. It's my favorite venue, overall. I've enjoyed most shows at the Marquee. Never seen a show at Comerica.

amyzzz
12-22-2011, 11:16 AM
Mesa Amp is maybe 2,000, while Comerica is more like 5,000, right?

amyzzz
12-22-2011, 11:17 AM
VOCS's. I don't think the exist.
This was great btw.

TomAz
12-22-2011, 11:24 AM
Now that I think about it, I've always been in that center section (4?) in front of the sound board, or in the pit. That probably has a lot to do with it, lol.

Yeah, I was dead center for Beck and for the White Stripes, and it the sound was very clean .. but still not loud enough. A concert should sound like a concert, not like a broadway show. For AF, I was towards one side and it was awful. I was afraid to clear my throat for fear of disturbing the listening enjoyment of those around me.

Timestretch
12-22-2011, 11:30 AM
Thanks, kids.

Always loved the sound at Mesa Amp for the exact reasons Dylanja stated above. Eric Johnson on the first G3 tour at Mesa Amp is probably the best mix I've ever heard.

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 12:21 PM
What movie theaters in town can you order food at? Are there any on the west side?

How about nice restaurants too? Rick, Jen, I'm looking at you. Trying to think of a gift for my step dad, the ultimate foodie.

Gribbz
12-22-2011, 12:23 PM
Mesa Amp is maybe 2,000, while Comerica is more like 5,000, right?

Mesa Amp's capacity is around 4-5 thousand. The Dodge holds 5,500.

amyzzz
12-22-2011, 12:36 PM
Ok, I didn't realize they do indeed have a similar capacity. Thanks.

TomAz
12-22-2011, 12:39 PM
What movie theaters in town can you order food at? Are there any on the west side?

How about nice restaurants too? Rick, Jen, I'm looking at you. Trying to think of a gift for my step dad, the ultimate foodie.

the nicest restaurant on the west side is Applebee's.

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 12:42 PM
LOL, fucker.

Is the remodeled AMC Biltmore a theater that serves food now? I'm sure a free meal would coax them into coming downtown. Maybe Bianco?

captncrzy
12-22-2011, 12:46 PM
What movie theaters in town can you order food at? Are there any on the west side?

How about nice restaurants too? Rick, Jen, I'm looking at you. Trying to think of a gift for my step dad, the ultimate foodie.

No dining-in movie theaters on the west side.

A foodie dining experience in WV? There's that famous pizza place in downtown Glendale. Not much else out here but chains.

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 12:55 PM
Okay okay, forget the west side. How about downtown, any suggestions other than Bianco?

TomAz
12-22-2011, 01:00 PM
I've not been there yet, but Nobuo has a good reputation.

if you're willing to venture a bit from downtown, the Biltmore area has a lot more choices.

downingthief
12-22-2011, 01:12 PM
www.stfrancisaz.com/

www.cibophoenix.com/

captncrzy
12-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Cibo is one of my favorite places downtown. The people that own it used to own Grazie in Scottsdale.

downingthief
12-22-2011, 01:28 PM
They expanded the patio now, too. Much more room.

Timestretch
12-22-2011, 02:46 PM
Dylans Dylans Dylans.....

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 03:33 PM
We all know every one's top three favorite rappers.


Welp, I eventually threw location out the window altogether. I'm confident he would enjoy Fogo de Chao the most being the carnivorous carnivore that he is. Has anyone ever been?

amyzzz
12-22-2011, 03:41 PM
Jacob says it's really good. They keep bringing meat around and you choose more if you're still hungry.

Mr. Dylanja
12-22-2011, 03:51 PM
Thankz, McZizzlez.

Timestretch
12-22-2011, 03:56 PM
Yea, it's great. The selection at Fogo is not quite as exotic as other S. American steakhouses, but that could be a good thing if your dad doesn't want to chow on some intestine or something. A few of these places I didn't want to ask what I was eating.

insbordnat
12-22-2011, 04:25 PM
Fogo is good. Pretty much safe/normal like Timey mentioned. No chicken hearts. Their salad bar is very average for a Rodizio though. Highlights are the Picanha, Fraldinha, rib eye, and filet. Lamb is pretty good. The ribs are dry. Don't eat too much Pao de Quiejo (cheese bread), it'll kill your appetite. Beans on request, fried plantains, fried polenta, and potatoes are complimentary. Have a caiprinha too.

Oh, and if you eat a lot, expect to do nothing afterwards, you'll be a fat sloth. It's also very salty so prepare to CHUG water when you get home.

chairmenmeow47
12-22-2011, 04:32 PM
if fogo is owned by the same people as brazillian bull in chandler, he'll love it. i agree the salad bar isn't great, but i sure wasn't there for salad =P

faxman75
12-27-2011, 07:48 AM
New report with video of the man beaten by the MCSO at 4th ave. jail. He died a couple of days later.

aiCmxLG85Xk

Somewhat Damaged
12-27-2011, 08:51 AM
if fogo is owned by the same people as brazillian bull in chandler, he'll love it. i agree the salad bar isn't great, but i sure wasn't there for salad =P

I think Brazilian Bull got renamed Fogo de Chao (or whatever). I seem to recall seeing billboards touting the change on my way in to work either at the beginning of the year or the end of 2010.

Mark, can't view your video at work but that sounds stomach churning.

captncrzy
12-28-2011, 09:47 AM
Going to try to hit up Meloncholia at the FilmBar on Friday night (730) if anyone wants to join us.

amyzzz
12-28-2011, 10:16 AM
OH NICE! I didn't know Melancholia moved to FilmBar; I saw it at Harkins Camelview, and the next week they took it out. I want to see it again, so I am a maybe. My daughter is having oral surgery Friday morning, and I will wait to see how she is doing. I get off work at 7.

amyzzz
12-28-2011, 02:37 PM
Update re: Melancholia/FilmBar: I'm going with my brother and his friend, barring a freak-out from my daughter. :)

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 11:50 AM
Classy.



In the latest, grossest example of (lacking human dignity and) not anticipating social media backlash after releasing a long-winded, hateful tirade to millions of viewers on the internet, comes a group of Arizona girls who decided to get together to talk about "Mexican immigration" and the "new Arizona law that just passed the legislator (sic)."



The video -- almost six minutes long -- was pulled from YouTube and the creators deleted their YouTube account shortly after their inboxes and social media accounts were flooded with video responses and hate mail.




Of course -- as with anything that's published online -- the video was downloaded before it was deleted and has been reposted on local and national sites including Perez Hilton and World Star Hip Hop and has been dubbed the "az racist girl rant."

Link (http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2012/01/arizona_girls_record_racist_yo.php) to watch video.

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 12:02 PM
Glad I read the date on those posts before I showed up. Anything going on this weekend?

I see the Royale already closed...I never got to go.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 12:57 PM
I'm desperate for drinks tonight.

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 01:45 PM
Buzz me later. I'm assessing my available drinking funds.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 02:00 PM
Carly's has $2 Sessions.

TomAz
01-06-2012, 02:08 PM
cool. what does she charge for drinks?

ba dum bum. tshhhhh.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 02:13 PM
haayyyyyyyyyoooooooo

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 02:21 PM
Carly's would work. What time are you thinking? I was about to start a project, but I know you get off work early.

Mr. Dylanja
01-06-2012, 02:27 PM
She's probably there.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 02:35 PM
Carly's would work. What time are you thinking? I was about to start a project, but I know you get off work early.

I can leave whenever, actually. I'm just sitting here.

Also, The Main Ingredient has $2.50 drafts, but only until 6.

westcoastpirate
01-06-2012, 02:45 PM
I am down, I can be at either TMI or Carly's at 4pm, but I have to leave at 5pm to go home.

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 02:46 PM
Oh...Main Ingredient...I'll go get ready...

$2.50 everythings?

downingthief
01-06-2012, 02:46 PM
I'll be at Papago, but most likely later on...prob around 8ish.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 02:47 PM
No, $2.50 drafts. The drafts are normally $5.

I'll leave now and get a table outside. I need drinks anyway.

Sean, stop going to effing Papago and just meet us somewhere else, whydontcha.

captncrzy
01-06-2012, 02:48 PM
I am down, I can be at either TMI or Carly's at 4pm, but I have to leave at 5pm to go home.

I'm leaving now. Book it.

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 02:50 PM
Oh...Main Ingredient...I'll go get ready...

$2.50 everythings?

downingthief
01-06-2012, 02:51 PM
No, $2.50 drafts. The drafts are normally $5.

I'll leave now and get a table outside. I need drinks anyway.

Sean, stop going to effing Papago and just meet us somewhere else, whydontcha.

Maaayyyyybe I'll do both. :p

westcoastpirate
01-06-2012, 02:51 PM
I'll be at Papago, but most likely later on...prob around 8ish.

Actually Sean, keep me posted on when you go to Papago in the future, I may be able to meet you there. I don't live too far.

downingthief
01-06-2012, 02:53 PM
Will do. Meeting some people later to play some darts and consume delicious and nutritious beer.

M Sparks
01-06-2012, 03:02 PM
Leaving now...

faxman75
01-20-2012, 08:59 AM
I'm having second thoughts about moving into a house in the Scottsdale Rd. / Shea area. It would be short term, sort of unpredictable and out of the way with 2 roommates. I have 5 weeks so i'm going to go apartment hunting. I was trying to avoid moving out on my own for another year becaues I really make terrible money but it's time for me to finally get my own apartment and suck up the cost. It's pretty sad when finding a place for $450/month will leave me with about $100 week in spending money after bills and I don't even have a car payment. Anyway, the hunt for the least shitty apartment I can find begins. I'm looking for something in either centeral or east phoenix or Tempe/west mesa at this point, that will take one small dog and has a washer and dryer in unit (that's idea but a community wash/dry is probably ok too).

Let me know if you all hear or know of anything. This is going to make traveling and music festivals much more difficult...eventually i'm sure. Time to be an adult again though. It's been way too long since i've had my own place.

chairmenmeow47
01-20-2012, 09:31 AM
i know it's tough at first moving on your own, but you can do it! i can't really think of anything in that price range, but i'll keep an eye out for ya!

faxman75
01-20-2012, 10:13 AM
It's long overdue really but having roommates is what sustained my travel lifestyle. I'll just have to cut back and spend more weekends at home getting drunk, listening to vinyl and hanging out in tinychat ;) I can't wait to listen to records in my new place! lulz.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 10:14 AM
7th St/Mountain View

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/apa/2809330490.html


Not the best area, but it could be a hell of a lot worse.

faxman75
01-20-2012, 10:35 AM
That looks like a solid prospect. Thanks Jen.

Mr. Dylanja
01-20-2012, 11:01 AM
Just don't get hooked on that Sunny Slope Slim-Fast.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 11:05 AM
At least the meth-townies have a nice mountain to look at.

Mr. Dylanja
01-20-2012, 11:11 AM
scrAMble is right across the street. The Do-Drop Inn is right down the street. Los Reyes de la Torta is down, across the street, and El Bravo is a little bit further down. Be prepared to be the minority, Faxino.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 11:12 AM
ooohhh....Via Del Santos is right there too..omnomnomnomnomnom

Mr. Dylanja
01-20-2012, 11:14 AM
What do you get there? I've been a few times for happy hour, and nothing has ever blown me away. I think the two places I mentioned are far superior, food-wise.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 11:15 AM
Tacos. I've never been to those other places you mentioned....so I can't compare.

Mr. Dylanja
01-20-2012, 11:19 AM
MUST.GO.

Machaca @ El Bravo. Norteno @ Los Reyes.

faxman75
01-20-2012, 11:55 AM
Be prepared to be the minority, Faxino.

I prefer it that way. I'm prejudiced against most white people.

M Sparks
01-20-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm looking for a cheap place too. More like $500-$600, but I need either a 2 bedroom or an unusually large 1 bedroom for my editing gear.

Somewhat Damaged
01-20-2012, 03:03 PM
Marc and Mark: the two of you should pool your resources and get a big-ish house, one large enough so that it will feel as though you're living alone but with the added bonus of living with someone who shares your name, that way if someone were to call the unnecessary house phone and asks to speak with "Marc/k," the response could always be, "Which one?"

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 03:04 PM
That actually isn't the worst idea in the history of the world.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 03:08 PM
Headin to the Duce tonight for snacks/vintage beer and coctails if anyone wants. Leaving here around 5.

M Sparks
01-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Duce? I know not.

I'm going to meet some friends around 22st and Thomas for a bit. I'll text you later.

captncrzy
01-20-2012, 03:50 PM
$3 vintage beers. Schlitz, etc.

captncrzy
01-25-2012, 11:07 AM
I want to go to this. It's right before my birthday.

http://www.showclix.com/event/arizonastrongbeerfestival

faxman75
01-25-2012, 11:26 AM
I'm looking for a cheap place too. More like $500-$600, but I need either a 2 bedroom or an unusually large 1 bedroom for my editing gear.

I decided to up my price range. The $400 range was looking terrible. I'm not considering some studios in the Roosevelt district or near downtown. I'm going to do some looking this weekend.

chairmenmeow47
01-25-2012, 11:36 AM
tell me about credit unions you use. i want to open up a second account at one to save money. obviously i know of desert schools, but i don't know much other than it exists. eventually i may just transfer over my main checking account to the credit union. thanks :)

locachica73
01-25-2012, 11:41 AM
I use AZ Federal Credit Union, I have been there for 15 years or so. I love it, even when I have issues with my account they were right on top of fixing it for me. The do shared branch transactions so you can do business at any desert schools or other credit union. They offer all sorts of savings incentives, loan options when needed, additional insurance options, etc. If you want to check out their website it's www.azfcu.com.

faxman75
01-25-2012, 11:50 AM
I loved AZFCU until my ex screwed that all up for me a few years ago. We use Marisol at work but they don't seem to have many locations.

westcoastpirate
01-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Haha, I bank at SunWest FCU and I use Marisol for a lot of shared branching since they are walking distance from my work. But it's pretty sweet that most credit unions are in the CU Service Center network.

faxman75
01-26-2012, 11:03 AM
Any thoughts about the 15th ave. / Grand area?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/apa/2814651519.html

Apparently this is an old hotel they just converted into apartments. Half affordable living the other half market rate rent. I'm checking this place out tonight. Construction started in May so i'm guessing they just finished at the very least it will be interesting to see how new they look. It seems they are going for the art crowd. I'm interested in a first floor unit so apparently i'll have window space (time to start painting). I just wonder if because it's a block off of Roosevelt how much difference that makes for crime and what not. I'm not too concerned really just looking for input since i've only hung out in that area a few times at Bikini and Trunk Space.

It's a fairly large 1 bedroom and a decent price.

http://phoenix.gov/news/052511oasis.html

chairmenmeow47
01-26-2012, 11:10 AM
is there a bedroom door? i feel like i can't see it. also not sure if that's an issue or not. looks cute though.

captncrzy
01-26-2012, 11:31 AM
That's a horrible, horrible area.

However, you'd be next to the Bikini Lounge and the Trunk Space, so there's that. Might need to buy a deadbolt or a pitt bull, though.



http://www.oasisongrand.com/

faxman75
01-26-2012, 11:32 AM
It doesn't look like it now that you mention it. I'll just hang a shower curtain or some beads if I like it enough, a door doesn't really matter much to me since i'm looking at studios too and it's just me and my small dog, Wilco. Apparently I qualify for rent under $500 a month because I make about $50 under their income requirment for market rent and they are also offering 1 month free so i'm thinking it might be about $450/month. It's exactly 1.2 miles from both school and work so that's definitely bike/walk distance.

chairmenmeow47
01-26-2012, 11:35 AM
that's superb! i do agree with jen that it's not a great area, but you're not a scrawny persona and you're a guy, so i think you'd be ok if you took the right precautions. also, i just prefer the door for when people sleep on my couch or i run the dishwasher before bed, but definitely not a MUST. just wasn't sure if your son ever sleeps over.

TomAz
01-26-2012, 11:35 AM
You named your dog Wilco?? I love it!

faxman75
01-26-2012, 11:35 AM
That's a horrible, horrible area.

However, you'd be next to the Bikini Lounge and the Trunk Space, so there's that. Might need to buy a deadbolt or a pitt bull, though.

I do at least have a dog that will bark at the door. I'm interested to see how secure the community is when I get there tonight. They seem to have done a lot but I won't know for sure until I see it in person. I have lived in what's considered horrible areas many times so i'm hoping it's not that bad. When you say horrible, is it mostly burglary, hookers and drug dealers? When I lived at 52nd St. and Van Buren I would regular see hookers walking through our complex, meth heads hanging out on corners and hear choppers and even see cops runing through our complex. The place I live now in S.E. Phoenix (Ivy knows where), i've had my car broken into, my roommate had his car taken for a joy ride and a pizza guy was shot. Though for some reason, I don't fret and it doesn't bother me much lol. Outside of being huslted and losing a car stereo I haven't had any issues in the last 3.5 years.

chairmenmeow47
01-26-2012, 11:36 AM
hahahahha, i dated a guy that lived at 52nd and van buren. his balcony faced the motel 6. we saw a swat team raid a bunch of hookers there once. good times.

faxman75
01-26-2012, 11:38 AM
You named your dog Wilco?? I love it!

It annoys the piss out of some people ha ha. But he's small and scrappy so I thought it made sense when I found him back in 2004 suriviving on his own. Ivy, my son does spend the night every other weekend or so. He usually just crashes on a couch in the living room. He got sick of sleeping in the same room with me even though he had his own bed. Whatever happens i'll make it work.

If I choose this place I will offer my window space to artists, or i'll just start making art with Connor and put it in the window to make some rent money.

captncrzy
01-26-2012, 11:41 AM
Yeah, it's mostly drug deals/prosties, etc. If it's gated, that might help keep your car from being broken into. Google maps makes it look like the parking lot is right on the street, so if there's no gate, I'd be worried as all heckfire about my car.

faxman75
01-26-2012, 11:43 AM
True. Luckily i'm not too emotionally attached to my car. Seeing nice cars in a nice new complex next to ASU downtown yesterday was a sign that, that place was out of my price range so I didn't even bother inquiring.

Just found this article about it too. I'm looking forward to my new art hobby heh. The place looked pretty cool in the 60's when it first opened. It had some history before turning into a dump.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/2011/04/oasis_hotel_becoming_artist-fr.php

mountmccabe
01-26-2012, 02:35 PM
I walked around the 15th Ave and Grand Ave area at night a fair deal for shows; I'd go to the Trunk Space or Modified and walk to 7th Ave and Roosevelt for gorditas at El Norteno (damn wouldn't I love to have that for dinner tonight) and often saw folks strolling at night, sometimes with kids and such, too. Mob used to live around there, too and things seemed quite reasonable.

Also my sister used to have a condo near 7th St and Mountain View. She was in a gated community and didn't have any real problems and there is some great food in that area, too. Well, there's less now but whatever.

Also when my brother was at ASU he lived in a house with a Marc and a Mark. Everybody got along well and are still friends.

Also, hey, The Phoenix Thread, how is it going?

faxman75
01-26-2012, 03:16 PM
Good to hear John and it's nice seeing you around these parts again.

Ivy, I just purchased a ticket to see John Williams tomorrow night in Mesa. I forgot about the show until I just got an e-mail from the Phoenix Symphony remindinig me. I scored a front row balcony seat so i'm pretty excited about this. Are you still going?

I should have read closer. I blame Ivy for my mistake but this actually isn't John Williams. It's the Phoenix Symphony performing the works of John Williams. Big difference but I'll still enjoy it quite a bit. I might not have jumped on this ticket as soon had I read closer but fortunatley I have no regrets..

faxman75
01-26-2012, 08:26 PM
I put a deposit down on the apartment. I liked it THAT much. Apparently if I made an other $500/year they would charge me $700/month for rent. I call BS on that though just because that seems really high for that area. Either way, it's concrete floors and brick walls which I love, over 700 sq ft and only 10 of the 60 units are occupied. Their first resident moved in December 1st. Both the entrance and the exit to the place is a sliding glass door and there is a door between the living room/kitchen area and the bedroom. I'm excited, this is going to be more than just a move. It's going to be a major lifestyle change. No more monthly Vegas trips for starters. They call me tomorrow to let me know about the application and stuff but I'm thinking it's a slam dunk and that they are trying to fill this place. I might have fumbled by jumping on this now rather than waiting a couple of weeks since i'm moving in mid February and I have paid a full months rent at my current place for February. They sold me on the special and my anxiousness didn't help. I didn't realize it's directly across the street from Bikini and Trunk Space. I thought it would be a block or so walk for some reason.

M Sparks
01-27-2012, 12:39 AM
I read about that place a while ago when they were working on it. I really should look at more downtown places.

chairmenmeow47
01-27-2012, 06:53 AM
glad to hear it, mark! i did call it "the music of john williams" on my facebook page =P i am not going :( i really really want to, but tonight is a birthday dinner for one of my best friend's boyfriend's and gordon is in town. i had tried to get tickets to the scottsdale show, but the cheapest seats i could find at the time i checked were like $50.

faxman75
01-27-2012, 08:21 AM
glad to hear it, mark! i did call it "the music of john williams" on my facebook page =P

Damn. There goes my only defense. I need to pay closer attention.

SeantheJeweler
01-27-2012, 11:01 PM
Hey guys I know I am going to get shit for posting this here but I am looking to trade my weekend 1 tickets (2) and car camping pass for weekend 2 (yeah all my friends slacked and I ordered mine pre-sale)

I was hoping to find someone in AZ with the opposite dilemma so if you guys know anyone looking to trade let them know! Thanks for any help.

Timestretch
01-28-2012, 10:23 AM
A different complex near downtown that got renovated looks to be doing very well. I'd be optimistic about the new place.

http://www.azcentral.com/style/hfe/coolhomes/articles/2012/01/12/20120112downtown-phoenix-300M-apartments-remodel-pasieka.html

faxman75
01-28-2012, 10:44 AM
That's pretty fantastic. Sounds similar to the idea behind the place i'm moving into. There is a bare wall where the insular parking lot and courtyard is at Oasis, it belongs to a youth club that's next door. Apparently once a few more people move in they are going to ask the residents to vote on what type of art mural we would like to have commissioned. One of the residents already has her art on display in the leasing office. The leasing agent said all of the other residents are artists (for some reason i'm skeptical of half the things she claims though). I guess the property is half commercial space so it's legal for everyone to sell their art out of their space.

denies the day
01-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Faxman, are you moving into Beatrice's artists colony? I thought she was requiring everyone to hold First Friday showings.

And the area is not horrible. It is centered in a very low-income area but if you walk to the other side of the Bikini (15th ave & Portland, Latham, etc) you'll find yourself in the FQ Story district which has tons of white-collar residents. The former attorney general lives on that street, for shit's sake. There are many parts of town that are far worse. I guarantee you won't find the diversity of people anywhere else. Grand Ave has some of the best parties where gutter punks, queers, gangsters, hipsters, artists and old-timers mingle on the regular.

Downtown may be scary if you're afraid of poor people or people of color who look down and out or if you don't have insurance for your fancy car but I'd much rather live here than the sterile vacuum of the suburbs. Ugh.

I miss Mob :(

captncrzy
01-30-2012, 06:57 AM
So I'm a racist because I'm a female with children that would refuse to live in a high-crime area? It IS a horrible area, crime-wise. Do some research before you make accusations. Just because you live there doesn't mean it's not true.

Mob's in Austin.

chairmenmeow47
01-30-2012, 07:41 AM
in other news...

i can't wait for tommy to come to town saturday! for those who don't have facebook or who i somehow missed, we're having a rock band party at my house in his honour from 5pm-12. i start early because i don't want to piss off the neighbors. PM me if you need my address! also, i can't drink anymore, so BYOB.

faxman75
01-30-2012, 07:53 AM
Faxman, are you moving into Beatrice's artists colony? I thought she was requiring everyone to hold First Friday showings.

I have no idea what Beatrice's artist colony is. I am moving into Oasis on Grand. How would a landlord legally require people to participate in an art event once a month? They didn't seem to care if I was an artist or not but that is definitely their selling point. They are promoting the art aspect very much.



And the area is not horrible. It is centered in a very low-income area but if you walk to the other side of the Bikini (15th ave & Portland, Latham, etc) you'll find yourself in the FQ Story district which has tons of white-collar residents. The former attorney general lives on that street, for shit's sake. There are many parts of town that are far worse. I guarantee you won't find the diversity of people anywhere else. Grand Ave has some of the best parties where gutter punks, queers, gangsters, hipsters, artists and old-timers mingle on the regular.

Downtown may be scary if you're afraid of poor people or people of color who look down and out or if you don't have insurance for your fancy car but I'd much rather live here than the sterile vacuum of the suburbs. Ugh.

I miss Mob :(

I love it but i'm already coming from what's considered a high crime area. I'm also not about to judge someone who decided the area wasn't for them.

denies the day
01-30-2012, 10:32 PM
So I'm a racist because I'm a female with children that would refuse to live in a high-crime area? It IS a horrible area, crime-wise. Do some research before you make accusations. Just because you live there doesn't mean it's not true.

Mob's in Austin.

I dunno if you're racist but your statement probably puts you into the "afraid of poor people" category, especially since that area is more gentrified than ever before. Not all low-income areas have high crime rates.

Lolz @ "Do some research". At least this horrible part of town doesn't stop you from using Groupons in it.

M Sparks
01-31-2012, 12:18 AM
Yeah, it doesn't look that bad...

http://www.azcentral.com/CrimeMaps/?sort=d_date&city=Phoenix&zipcode=&location=&days=365&category=

I'm seriously thinking of moving downtown-ish.

locachica73
01-31-2012, 06:11 AM
I would love to move downtown, in some loft condo somewhere within walking distance of cool bars. The thing about Phoenix is you can live in a great/new neighboood and be a block away from a bad neighborhood. Look at moon valley and the point area where I live, go a few blocks north and east and your in the square. It doesn't matter, bad shit happens everywhere.

faxman75
01-31-2012, 07:08 AM
Yeah, it doesn't look that bad...

http://www.azcentral.com/CrimeMaps/?sort=d_date&city=Phoenix&zipcode=&location=&days=365&category=

I'm seriously thinking of moving downtown-ish.

Moving a few blocks away from the heart of it made a huge difference in price and what I get. There were several studios available in the $450 range but they were quite small. Between 350-420 sq ft. This place has three different floor plans but I went with the biggest one bedroom they had. The Living Gallery model, which is 740 or so sq feet. The only downfalls are no dishwasher and no in unit washer/dryer but those aren't serious drawbacks for me. I live alone so there won't be a lot of dishes and laundry. I also like that no other people have lived in these yet. They just installed the mailboxes last week. My plan is to walk to and from work every day. It's 1 1/2 miles so 3 miles round trip and I plan on bringing a backpack with a shirt and deodorant so I can change. We'll see how smooth that transition is. There is a bus stop right across the street and I have a bike as well, I don't plan on using my car very much at all.

On Sunday I purchased some of the furniture I need. I got some decent, gently used items that look new. A sectional couch, a coffee table, an area rug and two bar stools for the breakfast bar in lieu of a dining room table and chairs, all delivered for $185. I will probably get another area rug for the bedroom and I don't much else at this point. Moving day will be February 18th. I'm looking forward to this very much.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 07:19 AM
I dunno if you're racist but your statement probably puts you into the "afraid of poor people" category, especially since that area is more gentrified than ever before. Not all low-income areas have high crime rates.

Lolz @ "Do some research". At least this horrible part of town doesn't stop you from using Groupons in it.

Using a groupon isn't the same as living there. Low income does not equal high crime areas but if you look at this map, it's clear that that specific neighborhood is a high crime area. Don't fucking accuse me of being a racist (I'm married into a hispanic family) or a classist (I live in a low income area) when you don't know anything about me. You can defend it all you want with your "I'm a cool hipster because I live downtown in a culture hub like Mob the original downtown hipster and you don't so you suck" attitude, but it doesn't change the fact his new apartment IS in a high crime area.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j251/captncrzy/1-31-20128-11-17AM.png

Note-I don't care where any of you people choose to live. Faxy asked for our opinions about the area, and I told him what I thought. If he is comfortable living there, more power to him. He's a big dude, he can handle himself.

fin

Somewhat Damaged
01-31-2012, 08:29 AM
I dunno if you're racist but your statement probably puts you into the "afraid of poor people" category, especially since that area is more gentrified than ever before. Not all low-income areas have high crime rates.

Lolz @ "Do some research". At least this horrible part of town doesn't stop you from using Groupons in it.

So...did you do any research? 'Cause that would sure go a long way toward grounding an argument that someone's criticism of an area for its crime rate is simply due to their fear of poor people.

Mr. Dylanja
01-31-2012, 08:50 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424767_3232317765881_1204741110_33465612_120987512 8_n.jpg

chairmenmeow47
01-31-2012, 08:53 AM
hahahaha, i'm totally too cool for phoenix :)

locachica73
01-31-2012, 08:59 AM
Hahaha, the house I owned was on the border of morman & meth. Yep, that's about right. :)

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 09:08 AM
I'm in the old run down dump. Sort of sounds about right. Lots of run down dumps surrounded by new houses and Chilis.

denies the day
01-31-2012, 10:41 AM
Using a groupon isn't the same as living there. Low income does not equal high crime areas but if you look at this map, it's clear that that specific neighborhood is a high crime area. Don't fucking accuse me of being a racist (I'm married into a hispanic family) or a classist (I live in a low income area) when you don't know anything about me. You can defend it all you want with your "I'm a cool hipster because I live downtown in a culture hub like Mob the original downtown hipster and you don't so you suck" attitude, but it doesn't change the fact his new apartment IS in a high crime area.

Re-read my original post, I never accused you of being racist. Of course you're not racist, you're "married into a hispanic family". :rotfl

I don't know you but my observations lead me to conclude that while you'd NEVER bring your children to live in such a crime-infested area you have no problem taking advantage of the bars, venues, and even NYE parties the horrible Grand Ave shithole offers. I find that quite humorous and slightly hypocritical.


So...did you do any research? 'Cause that would sure go a long way toward grounding an argument that someone's criticism of an area for its crime rate is simply due to their fear of poor people.

Ya bro, many years of actually living here and not just the occasional Trunk Space show or a pitcher at the Bikini. Definitely not from lazily posted web links to crime rates which I'm certain are way more reliable than a resident's perspective.


Yeah, it's mostly drug deals/prosties, etc. If it's gated, that might help keep your car from being broken into. Google maps makes it look like the parking lot is right on the street, so if there's no gate, I'd be worried as all heckfire about my car.

Mostly drug deals and prosties, huh? Have you ever even been anywhere on Grand other than it's north end or (gasp!) during the daytime? Perhaps you'd notice all these children (probably with poor or horrible parents) running around everywhere. Maybe you'd see the many community organizations working to clean and improve the area. Or the outreach work done by local churches. Or the fact that Metro Arts (where my friends with kids are dying to get them into) is a short walk away. You may even notice the constant flow of art and generally tolerant energy around here.

But whatever. You're not the first to admonish this area for it's uninhabitability while exploiting it for it's cultural offerings. And I'm sure Mob would get a chuckle out of being called the "original downtown hipster".

denies the day
01-31-2012, 10:49 AM
Dude, I'm soooo underground I'm not even on that map. All of the cool downtown hipsters are up in arms over the omission.

ramblinon
01-31-2012, 10:59 AM
Re-read my original post, I never accused you of being racist. Of course you're not racist, you're "married into a hispanic family". :rotfl

I don't know you but my observations lead me to conclude that while you'd NEVER bring your children to live in such a crime-infested area you have no problem taking advantage of the bars, venues, and even NYE parties the horrible Grand Ave shithole offers. I find that quite humorous and slightly hypocritical.



Ya bro, many years of actually living here and not just the occasional Trunk Space show or a pitcher at the Bikini. Definitely not from lazily posted web links to crime rates which I'm certain are way more reliable than a resident's perspective.



Mostly drug deals and prosties, huh? Have you ever even been anywhere on Grand other than it's north end or (gasp!) during the daytime? Perhaps you'd notice all these children (probably with poor or horrible parents) running around everywhere. Maybe you'd see the many community organizations working to clean and improve the area. Or the outreach work done by local churches. Or the fact that Metro Arts (where my friends with kids are dying to get them into) is a short walk away. You may even notice the constant flow of art and generally tolerant energy around here.

But whatever. You're not the first to admonish this area for it's uninhabitability while exploiting it for it's cultural offerings. And I'm sure Mob would get a chuckle out of being called the "original downtown hipster".

That is a ridiculously ignorant response, assuming that the risk tolerance for a grown adult should be the same for what a good parent should choose to put a child and subsequent adolescent through. Gird your loins for backlash.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:07 AM
Nah, no backlash. I'm done arguing. I'm right and he's a fucking idiot that can't understand the difference between visiting a place (exploiting it) and living in it. End of story.

In fact, I'll be exploiting the Crescent tomorrow night. I can't understand why they'd let us fearful classist white suburbanites in the door, but I'm sooo grateful they let us come in and buy their $8 Honey Badgers. You know, so they can donate a part of the profits to the churches to clean up the area. Now I feel like I'm doing my part to help the 50.2% of children that live below the poverty line in the neighborhood. I mean, I don't know if the statistics are right, since I don't live there or anything. Where does the FBI and the Department of Justice get off, anyway?

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:21 AM
ANYWAY, Fax, I'm glad you found a place that landed in your price range.

HotHamWater
01-31-2012, 11:22 AM
I'm visiting this weekend and want to avoid the ghetto. I'm glad I have friends who will help me achieve that. If those people want my money they should get their shit together first.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:23 AM
You won't be in the ghetto; you'll be in the Phoenix area that's too cool for Phoenix so they call it Ahwatukee.

We call it the rich side of South Mountain in these parts.

chairmenmeow47
01-31-2012, 11:25 AM
also, i wanted to suggest we go for a hike sunday while you're here tommy, but people at work have informed me it's super bowl weekend. if you're still up for a hike, we can make it happen before the game :)

denies the day
01-31-2012, 11:28 AM
Whatever, lady. How about you not "visit" downtown anymore and keep your precious ass in Avondale, mmmkay? Your ideas about how the way things are won't be missed.

HotHamWater
01-31-2012, 11:29 AM
Yes, I'd like to go for a hike. Can't wait. We don't have to watch the Super Bowl, Ivy. I don't care about either team, and I haven't talked to anybody about plans. So Sunday is free to do whatever. Hiking is priority #1. =)

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:30 AM
WAIT SO I'M NOT ALLOWED DOWNTOWN ANYMORE?

denies the day
01-31-2012, 11:30 AM
That is a ridiculously ignorant response, assuming that the risk tolerance for a grown adult should be the same for what a good parent should choose to put a child and subsequent adolescent through. Gird your loins for backlash.

Except I never made that assumption.

HotHamWater
01-31-2012, 11:31 AM
You won't be in the ghetto; you'll be in the Phoenix area that's too cool for Phoenix so they call it Ahwatukee.

We call it the rich side of South Mountain in these parts.

This is good to know. I don't want to go to downtown again. Last time I was there, an ethnic looked at me for an abnormal amount of time and made me uncomfortable. I don't need that kind of stress when I'm on vacation from my high-paying job.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:32 AM
Tommy, when do you go home? Do you two maybe want to meet us for brunch after your hike?

Not Matts, because it's downtown and I'm not allowed to go there any more. Maybe Over Easy (http://eatatovereasy.com/)? You can get a Wolfpack.

denies the day
01-31-2012, 11:37 AM
WAIT SO I'M NOT ALLOWED DOWNTOWN ANYMORE?

Pretty much.

guedita
01-31-2012, 11:38 AM
Is downtown Phoenix called "The PHX?" and is it pronounced, "FFFFFFEXXXXX?"

chairmenmeow47
01-31-2012, 11:38 AM
hooray hiking and i'm cool with brunch!!! :)

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:40 AM
Yay for brunch! Let me know Saturday what time; we'll get there a bit early and put our name in since their wait can get pretty ugly.

TomAz
01-31-2012, 11:40 AM
Rich hippies? what?

Mr. Dylanja
01-31-2012, 11:42 AM
Is downtown Phoenix called "The PHX?" and is it pronounced, "FFFFFFEXXXXX?"

<--- "The Nix."

Go back to your Frisco thread.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 11:43 AM
Is it Frisco? I thought it was SanFran.

TomAz
01-31-2012, 11:43 AM
only by people from Frisco.


edit oops, beaten to the punch

guedita
01-31-2012, 11:45 AM
It's "Franzeezy" lol so obv you guys are outta towners.

chairmenmeow47
01-31-2012, 11:49 AM
jen, tommy doesn't arrive until saturday afternoon, so we'd be looking at sunday for brunch :)

HotHamWater
01-31-2012, 11:56 AM
Sunday brunch sounds great. I don't leave that night until 8:00 or so.

faxman75
01-31-2012, 11:57 AM
Awe, I missed all the fun and arguing. :(

Tommy, you've stayed on the ghetto side of S. Mountain so congrats to you on graduating to the too good for Phoenix side! I plan on being present for rock band early on and then going to another friends party later on that night. I am also interested in this hike (depending on where you guys decide of course) now that i've put a good amount of the weight I lost back on!

HotHamWater
01-31-2012, 12:04 PM
Yes, Fax, come hiking. We'll discuss it over excess and bad choices at the Rock Band gathering.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 12:10 PM
jen, tommy doesn't arrive until saturday afternoon, so we'd be looking at sunday for brunch :)

Yeah-sorry that wasn't clear. I meant, let me know on Saturday night when we're being drunk and stuff what time you'd want to meet on Sunday for brunch.

Might be down for hiking too on Sunday depending on how my knees are feeling after kickboxing on Saturday.

chairmenmeow47
01-31-2012, 12:17 PM
ok cool :) i'm excited for this weekend!!!!!

and i'll keep everyone posted on hiking plans, we can discuss at the party :) i was thinking something earlier in the day at south mountain. but we can meet for brunch somewhere more central if it's easier.

captncrzy
01-31-2012, 12:52 PM
Nah, Over Easy is cool; I've been wanting to go back. Perfect location for y'all if you go hiking at South Mountain or Camelback or even Piestewa. I love Matt's but it gets so zooish on the weekends.

amyzzz
01-31-2012, 12:59 PM
Hiking! Great idea.

captncrzy
02-01-2012, 07:39 AM
A better brunch place occured to me. It's actually at the base of South Mountain, and its outdoors, so it'll be perfect after a hike. Been there before, very nice food. It's called the Morning Glory Cafe (http://www.morningglorycafeaz.com/)at The Farm at South Mountain (http://www.thefarmatsouthmountain.com/)(we almost got married in the pecan groves on the farm).

chairmenmeow47
02-01-2012, 07:41 AM
i love the farm, and the breakfast doesn't look as expensive as their lunches, so i'm down!

captncrzy
02-01-2012, 07:45 AM
Perfect. I've been wanting to go back there, and the weather has been freaking beautiful.

faxman75
02-01-2012, 07:46 AM
Oh yum. I've never been there but that menu looks tasty as all get out. MMMmmmm

captncrzy
02-01-2012, 09:41 AM
Who all is going? I can make rezzies if there are 8 of us. I'm counting 5.

faxman75
02-01-2012, 09:47 AM
In.

captncrzy
02-01-2012, 09:52 AM
Me
Ricardo
Ivysaur
HotHamWater
Faxy

amyzzz
02-01-2012, 01:28 PM
Me too. Sorry for the late response. I haven't been working this week so I am not constantly checking the message board.

downingthief
02-01-2012, 01:37 PM
YEEESSSSSSSS (http://www.azcentral.com/thingstodo/dining/articles/2012/02/01/20120201richardsons-reopens-phoenix-fire.html)

Can't wait to eat at Richardson's again!

insbordnat
02-01-2012, 01:56 PM
Funny, there was just a fire there last week and I thought the Rokerij went up. Good to see Richardsons back innit.

captncrzy
02-01-2012, 02:03 PM
Me
Ricardo
Ivysaur
HotHamWater
Faxy
Amyzzz

M Sparks
02-01-2012, 07:03 PM
That's close-ish to me. Put me down tentatively for brunch. I have a lot of work to do and I got screwed out of a day off this week, so we'll see how much I get done the next couple of nights.

chairmenmeow47
02-01-2012, 07:53 PM
hope you can make it!

hey faxy, what trails do you normally do on your side of the mountain? i wanna try something new.

faxman75
02-01-2012, 08:57 PM
Javelina and Beverly Canyon. Same parking lot off baseline south of 46th st. Javelina trail starts on the right side of the parking lot and Beverly Canyon on the left. I usually start Javelina and there is a fork that I take a right on and go up the hill and when I come down it connects to the Beverly Canyon trail and makes a full loop ending in the parking lot you start in. Heck we can do this on Sunday and I can show you around a bit if you like.