At least Paris didn't do a set.
At least Paris didn't do a set.
This is why nothings gonna change:
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I just don't get why it's OK for the EDM Cheese & other radio acts, but people like Drake will never end up on the lineup.
11/21 - Pearl Jam - Viejas Arena
This is the cheesy EDM of threads. It goes on and on and on and on with stupid shit repeating itself over and over.
2013 = Coverchella
2011 = Perfectchella
Plus this year there are still lots of interesting electronic acts. Glitch Mob, Chromeo, Woodkid, Bastille, Shlohmo, Flume, Darkside, Pet Shop Boys, RL Grime, The Internet, Carbon Airways, Duck Sauce, Big Gigantic, Flight Facilities, AlunaGeorge, Netsky, Classix + The Do Lab & Yuma.
Then there are the 20+ other artists who incorporate electronic elements.
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DRUGS ON KIDS
The difference between the good ol days is that those acts that played the first Coachella are actually talented live performers that actually know how to match a beat and do something with skill on stage vs. laptop filtering cue mixes and crowd hyping with no talent. Producers that dont know how to mix playing their hit(s) on a laptop is what cheese is to me. Bring back some turntablism and live P.A. performances which use to be the highlight of a rave. Kids these days are about sick drops not asck mixes because most of them have never heard a clean beat matched mix.
As a 9 year vet, I have to say that the second weekend has been dramatically better in terms of crowd size and makeup. I stage hop and love just about every type of music. Some years, I spent a ton of time in the Sahara, and others, barely any. Remember Institubes? That was a weird moment. Or how about Pendulum? Orbital? Plastikman? Three best Sahara sets since DP. Other posters have pointed out the lack of sonic diversity as the main problem in the Sahara, and I tend to agree. The tent cleared out for Chase and Status '11...the rave kids didn't want to get moshed up, and dispersed.
However, at least the fest continues booking the best electronic acts in the world for those of us who do care: Trentemoller, Leftfield, Presets, Plump DJs, Hot Chip, Modeselektor, Booka Shade, SMD, James Blake, Disclosure, FlyLo...none of them played the Sahara, not to mention all the DoLab and Yuma artists.
The real value of Coachella is the venue itself and the extremely diverse bookings. Any time you get smushed into a small space with 80,000 people, it's going to be slightly uncomfortable (more so if those people are all neon-clad bros n' basics). It's worth it, and will remain worth it regardless of the shifts in cultural tastes.
I do agree that there is still *some* decent stuff in the Sahara, but it's mostly just there to flesh out the gaps in between the huge cheese DJs. These are definitely still a far cry from what used to be in there though.
For an example, see Calvin Harris having the biggest crowd of the weekend, and maybe 1,000 people showing up to The Replacements. That's an issue and I hope GV recognizes it. It's wildly disproportionate, and on top of that, the crowd is the famous "country music" paradox...for a genre that's all about peace, love, PLUR, and positive vibes, it seems like every negative encounter I've had, whether it's been aggression, "Show me your tits!" level foolishness, rudeness, disinterest in music, entitled attitudes, "string 15 people in a row and push in and out of shows", etc has been linked to Sahara kids.
The Sahara was reportedly (I only saw 10 minutes of Big Gigantic in there all weekend) beyond overflowing for virtually every set, and Calvin Harris had the reported biggest crowd of the year (once again, I can't verify since I was at Little Dragon). Many other stages seemed surprisingly, if not embarrassingly, empty. That's a real problem for the festival's future if it wants to continue significant bookings in just about any other genre...rock, indie, punk, hip-hop, more sophisticated electronic, folk, whatever. You think Bryan Ferry, Neko Case, the 'Mats, NMH, Afghan Whigs, QOTSA, Muse, etc will have great things to say about Coachella to their industry connections and agents when they get back? It seemed like everybody skipped their sets completely, and yet Calvin "Press Play" Harris gets the crowd of the year? Even Arcade Fire seemed frustrated from their stage banter with both the EDM presence and the celebrity style culture it promotes.
The musical landscape will change.
Unfortunately, the people complaining on this message board, while far more vocal than the EDMers, are now a very small portion of the overall Coachella audience. Me thinks the EDMers hast already won.
The Replacements - Bryan Ferry - Outkast - The Knife - Dum Dum Girls - Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Broken Bells - Haim - Neko Case - Jagwar Ma - Goat - Waxahatchee
Queens Of The Stone Age - Pet Shop Boys - Chvrches - Mogwai - Warpaint - Washed Out - Future Islands - Ty Seagall - Darkside - Foxygen
Beck - Neutral Milk Hotel - Superchunk - Arcade Fire - Bombino - Daughter - Surfer Blood
I didn't need to set foot in the Sahara tent once until Big Gigantic on Sunday, and I still had the most fun I've had at Coachella in a few years. As long as you're with good people, you can ignore the annoying shit and have a great time. If the EDM loving kids bother you that much, don't go. It won't change anytime soon and there are plenty of other festivals to go to (FYF) that don't cater to that crowd. I get what most everyone is saying, but the music landscape is shifting and Coachella is shifting with it, for better or worse.
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totally agree..i mean..what old bands want to reunite at here anymore? unless it's a huge ass paycheck..it's such a shame what the crowd these days want..like there aren't enough stupid festivals for this edm shit.
i have no problem with that crap..but just annoying that 50%+ of the attendance have zero interest in real music...all people want these days are stupid jump around dance music and stupid top 40 hooks..where will coachella be in 3 years?
google "coachella" and go to the news section and tell me that's not disgusting what shows up
I will preface my post by saying that I enjoy the occasional cheese set. I go to EDC every year and I also attend HARD events in the L.A. area. I have had fun at Calvin Harris/Porter Robinson/Dirty South/Kaskade/Afrojack sets throughout the years and I still occasionally will stop by and dance at those types of sets if my more mainstream electronica friends are with me and want to take in one of their sets.
That being said, this year's Coachella week 1 was an absolute abortion of a production when it comes to the crowd that it attracted. Calvin Harris having the largest crowd of the weekend on the mainstage was an absolute embarrassment. I got to that stage a bit earlier so that I could get a good spot for Beck and I swear I was transported to the main stage at EDC. The "RAGE!!" crowd component completely dominated the polo fields this weekend. The minuscule crowds for seminal acts like Motorhead/Ferry/NMH/Replacements in comparison to the generic EDM sets are hopefully an eye-opener for Goldenvoice.
At this point, what's even worse/more pathetic is that I actually feel that EDC (the King of the EDM festivals) has been more dynamic in its bookings of electronica artists than Coachella over the past few years. As an example, last year on the main stage on Sunday EDC had Mark Knight > Umek > Richie Hawtin > Carl Cox > Above & Beyond (And that's not even counting some of the very diverse acts they have booked over the past few years on their side stages.) When was the last time Coachella had the balls to book a run of artists like that in the Sahara? 2011 had Shpongle/Sven Vath/Sasha etc in the sahara and the Chem's on the main stage, but ever since then it has been an absolute disaster in there. The Yuma tent has been a nice addition, but like previously stated, it would be amazing to have artists like Laurent Garnier/Dixon/Bicep/Cashmere/Art Department in the Sahara with that awesome production level. In addition, having these artists relegated to the tiny (in comparison) Yuma will only really attract the people who are already into their music. Coachella used to be a place where you could go explore, discover new music, and expand your musical boundaries, but now it's simply a place to go and take a selfie and rage in the Sahara with all of the other people who are their simply because it's the trendy thing to do.
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If you don't like it, we got two words for ya...
Agree with OP. While I still had a great time, the crowd was the worst out of the four years I've gone. My girlfriend was pushed to the ground by some asshole moshing to Beck during "Loser" with face paint on and some retarded looking headdress. Hopefully Paul got it out of his system and can see that his creation is going down a slippery slope.
Friday: Outkast, The Replacements, Girl Talk, Chromeo, AFI, The Afghan Whigs, Bastille, Jagwar Ma, Grouplove, Caravan Palace
Saturday: Muse, QOTSA, Pharrell, Foster the People, Empire of the Sun, Kid Cudi, Sleigh Bells, Cage the Elephant, CHVRCHES, Capitol Cities, Temples, Bombay Bicycle Club, Holy Ghost!, Bear Hands
Sunday: Arcade Fire, Beck, Neutral Milk Hotel, Trombone Shorty, Frank Turner, Surfer Blood, J Roddy Walston
I propose that the problem was not the EDM acts booked, but the rest of the acts. I'd imagine that the crowd we're all describing are also fans of Lorde, Lana Del Rey, Foster the People, Chvrches, Pharrell, Empire of the Sun, and Naked & Famous. Take those acts out, and I bet a portion of the crowd you're describing doesn't bother coming. Add in people who just love Hey Ya and wanted to be able to say they were there for the reunion, and you get a substantially shitty crowd.
I had a great time this year, but if the crowd is like that again next year I might have to reconsider after that. That said, every time I've thought "if such and such is broken about Coachella again next year..." they've fixed it the following year. I'd bet the lineup next year is a reaction of sorts to this crowd.
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It's good to know there are people out there that share my concerns... GV should be concerned about this too. If they aren't, they're completely out of touch.
Coachella used to pride itself on being a unique festival that catered to many different types of music and starred up-and-comers and legacy acts alike. GV has been proud of what they've cultivated here, but it truly and honestly seems like they're ditching exactly what made the festival into what it is today in order to cater to the new type of festival goer - those who go solely to get fucked up and "rage", use the festival as a sort of status-booster or fashion podium, and who basically just don't give a fuck about the music. While these sorts of people are not new to the circuit, and will never disappear, they are about in HUGE amounts these days, especially amongst those who are into the cheesy "EDM" varieties.
Since these people are all about Coachella these days, and GV is encouraging them by putting acts such as Calvin Harris and Martin Garrix on the lineup, the integrity of the festival seems to be at stake. As long as the aforementioned "artists" are on the bill, shit's going to keep going downhill.