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    I can't wait for this but will people notice a difference in their Ipod earbuds? Most of my friends has cheap headphones...

    To everyone who loves music –

    I’m very happy to bring you some good news. All of us at Team PONO have been focused on getting everything right for our early 2014 launch of Pono.

    The simplest way to describe what we’ve accomplished is that we’ve liberated the music of the artist from the digital file and restored it to its original artistic quality - as it was in the studio. So it has primal power.

    Hearing PONO for the first time is like that first blast of daylight when you leave a movie theater on a sun-filled day. It takes you a second to adjust. Then you enter a bright reality, of wonderfully rendered detail.

    This music moves you. So you can feel. That’s why so many musicians are behind PonoMusic – this is important work that honors their art. This is the way they wanted you to hear their music.

    PONO starts at the source: artist-approved studio masters we’ve been given special access to. Then we work with our brilliant partners at Meridian to unlock the richness of the artist’s music to you. There is nothing like hearing this music - and we are working hard to make that experience available to all music lovers, soon.

    Our mission is also to make PONO just as accessible as any music you buy and listen to today. So we’ll be launching both the PONO portable player – an updated version of the one I showed on David Letterman’s program – and an online library, with all your favorite music available in PonoMusic quality. Everything you need to feel music anew.

    Stay tuned for more updates. And be sure to follow us on Facebook and Twitter for the latest information. We hope you’ll try PONO when it comes your way, and that it brings you the soul of music.

    Yours, for PonoMusic –
    Neil Young
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    Interesting...If I wasn't working hard today i would do some full research on this. someone do it for me and post pics and shit!

    I am soo fucking sick and tired of listeneing to shitty mp3s of amazing music =(
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    People definitely will not notice the difference if they're using Ipod earbuds. Unless all their music is 128 mp3s and they switch to 24bit for the first time... That could incite some awe on the part of the earbud-wearer.

    I mean, after researching this for like 3 minutes (I had never heard of Pono), it sounds like a good, easy way to get people high quality audio. For someone like me who already has a shit ton of flac files, I don't see a point really. Even though it would be nice to have a dedicated music player that plays 24 bit audio, I've yet to hear a drastic difference in 24 vs 16 bit. If anything, I'd save my 24 bit files and play them on a massive sound system and keep playing my 16 bit flacs from the flac-player on my iphone. I've really been wanting one of these for a while: http://redwineaudio.com/mods/rwak100

    If the Pono supports flacs as well as the pono filetype, I'd look into it.

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    I think this is not going to catch on. For the average person, the file size is going to not be worth it.
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    I just want to be able to listen to something better than mp3 in my car. IF there was a nice, portable, affordable flac or high quality music player that i could plug into my car. id be all for it. i am so fucking sick of listening to shitty quality music in my car
    im so fucking over it
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    CDs burned from flacs. Perfect bit for bit copy of a cd.

    Or the "Flac player" app (I think that's what it's called), on Iphone works too. (Disclaimer: some computer/iphone savvy person could come in here and tell me that the flac player app is a ripoff and the iphone can't even play flacs properly, because I have no idea. It sounds great though. And it's 10 dollars I think).

    but yeah

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    interesting....................................... .................................................. .....................
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    So what's the hard drive size on this thing? I would imagine that it would have to be pretty big to accommodate the kind of people that would buy this thing.

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    Yeah, we're talking like 400-500mb per album at least, right?
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    I would think it would be pretty cost effective at this point to sell a 1 terabyte flac player. yummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanfairchild View Post
    So what's the hard drive size on this thing? I would imagine that it would have to be pretty big to accommodate the kind of people that would buy this thing.
    Will PONO be cheaper than what Sony has in mind?

    As Vintage Vinyl News reports, Pono won’t be alone in its quest to improve your listening experience. On Sept. 4, Sony announced the imminent roll-out of its own Hi-Res Audio line, which claims to “make high-resolution audio a more convenient, compelling and cost-effective listening experience for digital music enthusiasts everywhere.”

    To that end, Sony’s planning the release of two hi-res players: a 1-TB model that lists for $1,999, and a 500-GB counterpart that will sell for $999. Here’s hoping Young’s Pono player will put a smaller dent in consumers’ wallets.
    You can read more about it here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/p...ducts/2762773/

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    It's coming soon!!!

    So this is a cool night because we're all here together. I know almost everybody here. If I don't know you, I thought I did when I saw you. It really is great. A lot of us, you know, producers and engineers –I'm kind of a producer, partially, an engineer, I'm not really good at either one. It's hurt my records in the past. We're performance-oriented: technical things don't matter that much.

    That's only one way of making records. A lot of you out here are craftsmen: just beautiful records, and take great care with every note. And I know I'm not one of them. I like to capture the moment. I like to record the moment. I like to get the first time that I sung the song. I like to get the first time the band plays the song. So there's a lot of compromises you make to get that feeling, but in the long run, that's where the pictures are when I hear my words and when I see the pictures while I'm listening. So that's what we try to record.

    Recording is so important. We think about the equipment, we think about what are we using, what do we have, what are we recording on, what are we singing through, where is it going, how long is the wire? Why is that piece of shit in the wire between me and where I'm going? Get that out! Don't join the wire together, get one wire, because every time you go through one of those pieces of crap, something happens. We paid big bucks for this place, and we're going to use every bit of it. And we're not going to use what we don't want. Thank you. Great recording here.

    I did record here! I think I recorded a few tracks here a long time ago. There's a song, "Like a Hurricane," that I didn't record here. But I couldn't sing at that time, when I recorded that, because I had just had some sort of operation. They told me to stop for a month, but I couldn't stop the music, so in my studio at home, me and Crazy Horse got together and we played this track. It was about fifteen minutes long, because I'd just written it the night before. I recorded it on an acoustic – now let's play with all these other instruments and it's going to be great.

    So we got the instruments out and we played it once. And we screwed it up really badly at first. If you listen to the record, you can tell we screwed it up. We cut it off. It just starts out of nowhere. But that was over – now we're in the record. And it's divided, it doesn't matter how cool and together the beginning was, but where it went as soon as it started. So we shortened a little bit.

    Then I was here at this place, in 1974 or something, and I said, "You know, a couple of weeks ago, when I couldn't sing – " By the way, I know I can't sing. I mean I couldn't make a sound. And of course, this was back in the day, way back there. So I'm saying, "We have this tape here. I brought this piece to multitrack. We've never played it. I'm going to sing it, because I never got a chance to sing it."

    So we put it on, and he played back about ten seconds, and I said, "Okay, stop. Everything was working, right? We heard everything? Okay, there's no reason to listen to it. Because I was there – I know what it is. And it's on the tape. We don't have to listen to it. Let's not wipe the shit off the tape listening to it. Let's record while the stuff is still on – let's listen to what's there, and record it to a two-track while it's still there." Because if you listen over and over and over again, it goes away, bye-bye! Because the tape doesn't like to rub over this head, and then part of it goes away, it's terrible. That bothers me every time the tape plays. So I never hardly ever listen!

    Okay, they put the tape on and I went out and I talk: "Am I there?" Yes. "Good. Okay. Record. Number one. Just record all the time – that's why we're here. Don't not record at all, ever. Record! It's a studio! Record! Practice at home! The red button's not that scary, really not."

    So we press the button and they start the tape, and I start singing the song. It's long, so it's like, four or five verses over and over again. So I sing one verse, and then the other verse – there's only two verses, so I just keep singing them, one after the other. Later on, we can cut it down. The other guys aren't here, and I hear the harmony part, so I want to sing the harmonies now. We did the harmonies, so we did three tracks, three times through, one time on each track. We had all this stuff, and it was the first time I ever heard it. The first time I ever listened to "Like a Hurricane." And I was hearing it, and I was singing it, and I sang the harmony, and I sang the other harmony, and then we mixed it. So it was like the five-and-sixth time, and then we mixed it. There's a message in there somewhere.

    My memory of this place is what it is, that we do records like that. The idea is, for me, to try to get magic. Who knows where the hell it's coming from? I don't – so please record. It's expensive to sit here and not push the button.

    I know who you people are. I know you're animals, and I know some of you are very funny. Some of you are just dry – never laugh. "Good morning." I love you all people, because I know what you're doing. I know how crazy you are about all the things that I don't care about. Sometimes you make great records, and it's fantastic. They're not like my records – sometimes I can't feel them, but I really appreciate them. No, sometimes I can feel them and I go, "Holy shit, how did they do that? How did they make that record? I know they layered it – it's not like a documentary where something happens and you take a picture, cinema verite. This is a movie: somebody created all the scenes, and there was the dialogue, and then they did the dialogue again, and there was the foley to do the sounds, and they did all the stuff, and everything's perfect – but it's still good."

    There's nothing wrong with that – it's just a different way of doing it than I could ever do, because I have so little ability to do that, that it would really suck: over and over again, getting it right. That's why I'm flat, that's why it doesn't matter that there's bad notes. That doesn't mean it's not production – it just means it's the kind of production that we do.

    Some people are here tonight that I've worked with over the ages that are just really incredible people. Al Schmitt's here tonight. And Niko Bolas, he's here. John Hanlon is here. I really appreciate that these guys are – I know you really appreciate, especially Al, because he's the father of what's going on here, and he's still here. He has staying power. And he was recording the way that I want to record now. I'm going to make a record with Al – we're talking about making a record together where there's only one mic, but we do a huge orchestra. And when we finish doing that performance, and every guy's standing the right length from the mic: the background vocal is like "hey-hey-hey," and of course I'm up here, but they're right there, so it sounds like that there. So we're going to do it that way. We're not going to mix it: we're going to do it, and mix it while we do it. Everybody can get in the right place, and if it's not righ – -well, we'll move the bass up. Move the bass closer. It's not loud enough? Move the amp closer, then! It sounds good, but it's just too quiet, so move it up. Move it in, and the drums? Leave it over there, go back farther.

    Do you know how fun that is to do? That is so much fun. It's like playing music – it's not making music, it's playing it. I love doing these things. And I'm anxious to do something I've never done before, because there were great records made that way. There's something that happens with one mic. When everyone sings into one mic, when everybody plays into the same mic: I've just never been able to do that, with some rare instances like when I record in a recording booth from a 1940s state fair. I got that sound by closing myself into a telephone booth. And I notice, it sounds just like an old record. And I like the sound of old records! I've always loved that.

    So all I'm trying to say is I'm one of you. You honor me, you're honoring yourself. It's not me: it's you. It's what we do. Thank you so much. Digital. Digital is not bad. But Xerox is not good. I always like to say Picasso was really happy to see original Picassos everywhere, but when he went into some places and saw Xeroxes of Picassos, it didn't make him as happy, because he thought people thought that we was making those things. The thing we do is, we make great stuff in the studio and then we kiss its ass goodbye, because nobody's ever going to hear it. That's unfortunate, and it didn't use to be that way. That's something that happened to us – that's an injury we sustained, and it deeply hurt us. So the time has come for us to recover and to bring music back to the people in a way that they can recognize it in their souls – through the window of their souls, their ears. So they can feel and vibrate and so that they can get goosebumps. We cherish those fucking goosebumps. We really need those.

    Being impressed by something, and how cool it is, and how sharp it is, and how snappy it is, is one thing, and that translates into almost any media. But when you're singing something very soulful from your heart, and the echo is perfect and everything's great and you're using maybe an acoustic chamber and everything sounds great. And then you listen to it and you love it, but you hear it somewhere else and it's gone – that's terrible. We don't like that. Not many of us like that, we're not happy about it. So we're trying to change that, and we're trying to make it better. We're trying to make music sound technically better, and that's what I want to do. So we have a player that plays whatever the musicians made digitally, and that's going to come out. We're announcing that at SXSW, we're introducing it, it's called Pono, and that's my commercial, thank you very much.
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    Neil Young launches high quality audio service geared toward audiophiles and he plans the release of his brand new album which he claims is the most "low tech" album he has ever made right around the same time.

    Does not compute.

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    If he says it will sound great, I for one am more than willing to believe him. I hope it is a huge success

    March 10, 2014 – (Burbank, CA.) - PonoMusic is a revolutionary movement conceived and founded by Neil Young. Our mission is to bring the highest-quality digital music to discerning, passionate consumers, who wish to experience music the way the artists intended, with the emotion, detail, and power intact. "It's about the music, real music. We want to move digital music into the 21st century and PonoMusic does that. We couldn't be more excited about bringing PonoMusic to the market," said Neil Young, founder and chairman of PonoMusic.

    PonoMusic encompasses both an online music store (PonoMusic.com) and a playback device (The PonoPlayer). The PonoPlayer is a digital-music experience unlike any other, offering the finest quality, highest-resolution digital music from both major labels and prominent independent labels, curated and archived for discriminating PonoMusic customers. The Pono desktop media management application allows customers to download, manage and sync their music to their PonoPlayer and other high- resolution digital music devices.

    "Our goal was to offer the highest quality digital music available from all the major labels with the world’s greatest sounding, user-friendly portable music player. We’ve achieved our goal and we are excited to launch our Kickstarter campaign next week to invite music lovers everywhere to join the PonoMusic community and reserve a PonoPlayer for their own enjoyment," said John Hamm, CEO of PonoMusic.

    The PonoPlayer is a purpose-built, portable, high-resolution digital-music player designed and engineered in a "no-compromise" fashion to allow consumers to experience studio master-quality digital music at the highest audio fidelity possible, bringing the true emotion and detail of the music, the way the artist recorded it, to life. It also features a convenient, easy-to-use LCD touch screen interface that is totally intuitive. The audio technology in the PonoPlayer was developed in conjunction with the engineering team at Ayre, in Boulder Colorado, a leader in world class audio technology.

    PonoMusic and Ayre have collaborated their ideas to achieve their goal -- to make the power and majesty of music available to everybody. “We are absolutely thrilled to be a part of this project. We will always be grateful to Neil Young for changing the landscape of recorded music," said Charlie Hansen, CEO of Ayre Acoustics. (Ayre Acoustics)

    The PonoPlayer has 128GB of memory and can store 1000 to 2000 high-resolution digital-music albums. Memory cards can be used to store and play different playlists and additional collections of music. The PonoPlayer will be sold at PonoMusic.com for $399 MSRP and is available for pre-order at a discount on Kickstarter.com as of March 15th. PonoMusic recommended earbud and headphone products will also be available for purchase on PonoMusic.com.
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    Very excited about this, planning to preorder one through kickstarter
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    Wow. those went fucking quick. luckily i was able to snag one of the 100 PONO players for a discounted $200, that is if they reach their goal. It is officially on kickstarter now
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    I've been watching this story for awhile. The player itself seems pretty cool, although kind of ugly and bulky, I don't see it catching on outside of an audiophile community. If they use .flac 16/44.1 we're talking 300-600 mbs for most albums. When you get into the 24/96 range it's more like 1.5-3 gbs per album, 24/192 more like 4-6 gbs. 128 gbs of storage isn't gonna last long. I'm curious what kind of guts they are using, what DAC they chose, etc. I don't like that the only way to connect to a stereo is a stereo mini out plug. If they are aiming this at a hi end market they should at least include a hdmi out plug. I'd say the majority of the customer base has as good of, if not better DACs on their receiver/pre amp to decode the signal, and would rather use that and let the signal pass through the pono.

    The other thing is you can can already run lossless .aac on ipod/iphones or .wav or .aiff and hardly anyone bothers. As for a dedicated box to hook up to a home stereo systems there are tons of options out there that already do this.
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    I don't want to carry around another device and while I realize 128GB is a good amount of space, I wonder why they wouldn't create a much bigger hard drive which can be done in a small size these days expecially when the audiphile music formats are usually larger file sizes.

    So basically I can have less music and carry around an extra device in my pocket for a better sound quality that I may or may not recognize depending on where i'm listening and what kind of headphones i'm using considering those are also vital to a superior sound quality. I still love the irony of him timing the release of a low tech album with a hi audio quality music player. I hope it works out for him. I just see it as more inconvenient than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faxman75 View Post
    I don't want to carry around another device and while I realize 128GB is a good amount of space, I wonder why they wouldn't create a much bigger hard drive which can be done in a small size these days expecially when the audiphile music formats are usually larger file sizes.

    So basically I can have less music and carry around an extra device in my pocket for a better sound quality that I may or may not recognize depending on where i'm listening and what kind of headphones i'm using considering those are also vital to a superior sound quality. I still love the irony of him timing the release of a low tech album with a hi audio quality music player. I hope it works out for him. I just see it as more inconvenient than anything else.
    I think watching this kickstarter video will help you understand what Neil is trying to do with PONO little bit more. If I remember correctly, he starts talking about it after 6:00 mark....impressive that they raised over $1.7 million in 2 days!
    Video: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...iscovers-music

    ps I haven't listened to this but here is Neil's speech from SXSW: http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/20...player-at-sxsw

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    The other thing is you can can already run lossless .aac on ipod/iphones or .wav or .aiff and hardly anyone bothers. As for a dedicated box to hook up to a home stereo systems there are tons of options out there that already do this.
    yeppppppppppp

    been saying this since the beginning.

    flac can also play on iphone/ipod with an app to do so.

    the only way I'd buy something like PONO and use it as a dedicated flac player was if it was about 500+gigs. There's really no point otherwise, i'll just keep using my iphone.

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    Really wish Neil would have spent his spare time working on Archives Vol 2 instead of this instantly obsolete nonsense.
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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooks View Post
    I think watching this kickstarter video will help you understand what Neil is trying to do with PONO little bit more. If I remember correctly, he starts talking about it after 6:00 mark....impressive that they raised over $1.7 million in 2 days!
    Video: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...iscovers-music

    ps I haven't listened to this but here is Neil's speech from SXSW: http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/20...player-at-sxsw
    Spooks I explained in detail why it's not for me. I know what Neil is trying to do and I appreciate focusing on sound quality but as I said, I am not going to carry around another device that can only hold a fraction of the music my current device holds. Sure, raising $1.7 million dollars is impressive for whatever reason. Yay Neil. You have a lot of fans who want this to succeed. You are a fundraising king! I still have no use for this product. It's not convenient in any way and it's limited in it's storage. It's not for me. Honestly, he could give it to me for free and I still don't want to carry it around or re-buy all my music. Nothing is ecenomical or practical about this for me personally.

    I think it's hilarious that he is bashing the sound quality of CD's as well. How much money did you make off those shitty CD's Neil?

    I buy vinyl. I spend $15-25 already on records. I also have music downloaded to my phone. I have Sirus/XM, I also have google.music.

    The record companies set their own digital music prices, label by label. High-resolution digital albums at PonoMusic.com are expected to cost between $14.99 -$24.99, and there may be exceptions. For this price you get the best quality digital music available anywhere, you own these albums forever - they don’t live only in the cloud, but also on your computer and backup disc, and you can play them anytime you wish on your PonoPlayer or other compatible devices.

    We will also be offering many of your favorite individual songs. We'll let you know the pricing soon.

    So unless you have a disposable income a music geek is going to invest thousands of dollars trying to build a catalog.
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    Its destiny does seem questionable, but I feel like he is trying to raise standards more than anything else. Does itunes still sell 128 kbps encoded files? That shit was ridiculous.

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    The shorter version of all of this is that this device solves the problems that your average audiophile had in 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker113 View Post
    Does itunes still sell 128 kbps encoded files? That shit was ridiculous.
    It's 256 kbps now.

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    Anyone have the FiiO X3? I'm seriously considering it and any review is appreciated.
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