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    I have just completed buying every RATM album and I want to get some feedback on the change of style throughout their carrier.
    Their first album is so bad ass!
    It is one of the best albums I have heard in a long time.
    I love how they were so creative and very forward thinking in the way they wrote the songs.
    There is so much movement in there music, using every use of dynamic and emotional range.
    I also love how their songs have a kind of funk feel to them.

    But what has really disappointed me, is their change into their second album.
    It doesnít have the same feel as the first album.
    The first thing that stuck out is that their bass player stopped with the slap technique and aimed for a more alternative feel.
    Their songs became more simplistic and repetitive, almost as if they lost all their creativity that they had before.

    And in their third album I noticed how they kind of joined the sound of both albums together.

    I get the feeling that the change in their music was due to their rise in popularity, and what the demand was at the time.
    It also brings up the question of how much of RATM is really part of the machine,
    How much of this reunion show is the band really wanting to jam out again, or how much of it is due to money and politics.

    Donít get me wrong, I love their music and this is going to be a hell of a show.
    I just want to get some feedback on just what makes RATM the band they are.

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    Too me, the politics of RATM are pretty useless. Well, the politics to any band are useless, because you will always get more from a book. It's the music that should be important, right? Well, ideally.

    But RATM to me was always one of the only decent rock/jam bands with psuedo-rapping. Mindless Self Indulgence would be the other decent one... Actually MSI are more than decent to me. But RATM are not really a big deal for me.

    I do, however, look foward to seeing them. I saw Audioslave a while back and enjoyed it a lot. Even though I dislike their albums. However, them being a good live band tells me that RATM will be the same, if not better, for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    Too me, the politics of RATM are pretty useless. Well, the politics to any band are useless, because you will always get more from a book. It's the music that should be important, right? Well, ideally.

    But RATM to me was always one of the only decent rock/jam bands with psuedo-rapping. Mindless Self Indulgence would be the other decent one... Actually MSI are more than decent to me. But RATM are not really a big deal for me.

    I do, however, look foward to seeing them. I saw Audioslave a while back and enjoyed it a lot. Even though I dislike their albums. However, them being a good live band tells me that RATM will be the same, if not better, for obvious reasons.
    How exactly are their politics useless? I seriously doubt singing about rainbows, butterflies and break ups would allow them even half the energy that rage plays with. They use their politics to fuel the anger that drives their music and thats what makes them so intense. I'm not even going to touch the MSI comment, cause thats just a joke.

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    No escape from the mass mind rape
    Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
    And then play it again and again and again
    Until ya mind is locked in
    Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
    Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
    They say jump and ya say how high
    Ya brain-dead
    Ya gotta fuckin' bullet in ya head

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    think about it this way: a band has their entire career up to that point to create their first album. time to fine tune, drop, add whatever they need to over the years to make it a "masterpiece". after that they get signed to a record deal and are under immense pressure to keep producing albums every couple years or so. that's why there is pretty much always a sophmore slump for bands, it's just so damn hard to follow up a humongous hit album when you start from scratch with only months to see it through to release day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3d Snapper View Post
    How exactly are their politics useless? I seriously doubt singing about rainbows, butterflies and break ups would allow them even half the energy that rage plays with. They use their politics to fuel the anger that drives their music and thats what makes them so intense. I'm not even going to touch the MSI comment, cause thats just a joke.
    Did I say that they should not sing about politics? I said that their politics were useless in response to the thread starter saying this reformation being about politics and money. I don't think that RATM's reformation is about politics. And what I was saying is that I, personally, would not listen to them for the political meaning. I listen to RATM for the talent in their music. I said, and stand by, I would rather read a book about politics, then listen to it from celebrity artists.

    And yeah, I think MSI is better than RATM. How's that for your anarchist cookbook?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    Too me, the politics of RATM are pretty useless. Well, the politics to any band are useless, because you will always get more from a book. It's the music that should be important, right? Well, ideally.

    But RATM to me was always one of the only decent rock/jam bands with psuedo-rapping. Mindless Self Indulgence would be the other decent one... Actually MSI are more than decent to me. But RATM are not really a big deal for me.

    I do, however, look foward to seeing them. I saw Audioslave a while back and enjoyed it a lot. Even though I dislike their albums. However, them being a good live band tells me that RATM will be the same, if not better, for obvious reasons.
    You are right in many aspects. However, I think the purpose of the band is not so much as to say things, but more to open up people to new ideas. Too many people in this world pay no attention to the political state of their country, and that is a bad thing. Left, Right, Green, Whatever, as long as you know what the hell is going on.

    I do blame rage for that whole god awful trend of rap metal that was EVER so popular some years back. Namely Limp Bizkit and all that nonsense. Still love rage though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSteve View Post
    that's why there is pretty much always a sophmore slump for bands
    you call Evil Empire a sophomore slump?

    you can go now.

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    ok of course many people will disagree with me .. but politics are politics and music is music .... i am very political, to say the least, i have no clue what the lyrics to most ratm songs are ... and i love ratm ... i have seen them maybe 5 times, and each time i walk away and say wow ... its just music thats has such a feel, and substance, you feel the music... but what are the lyrics, dont know and dont care .. cr***

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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
    ok of course many people will disagree with me .. but politics are politics and music is music .... i am very political, to say the least, i have no clue what the lyrics to most ratm songs are ... and i love ratm ... i have seen them maybe 5 times, and each time i walk away and say wow ... its just music thats has such a feel, and substance, you feel the music... but what are the lyrics, dont know and dont care .. cr***
    Exactly. A band's music might be politically motivated, but if you listen to a band for its politics (and I don't accuse anyone of doing so), then you are going to have politics as watered down as they can get. I don't listen to RATM for their politics, I doubt that they are reunited because of politics.

    If any RATM fans out there really want politics on things such as an "Evil Empire", then they should read Noam Chomsky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemy View Post
    How's that for your anarchist cookbook?
    What are you implying...

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    I totally agree that Evil Empire is a disappointment.

    RATM's lyrics are interesting, even well-written, but as liberal as I am, they're simply *too* liberal for me. I like to say that it's entertaining just how liberal their lyrics are. They have some good stuff to say, but they act as if it's a well-established FACT that Malcolm X was assassinated by the US government, before implying that the Nation of Islam was some everyday peace-loving Islamic organization that was victimized.

    The other issue I have with RATM is, I'm unsure just how strongly they really do believe in their cause; for instance, I hear Tom drives to protests and fundraisers in an SUV. But then, I've also heard him say this when asked about being signed to a major, capitalistic label:

    When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart.

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    I think he has a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aclockworkapple View Post
    I totally agree that Evil Empire is a disappointment.

    RATM's lyrics are interesting, even well-written, but as liberal as I am, they're simply *too* liberal for me. I like to say that it's entertaining just how liberal their lyrics are. They have some good stuff to say, but they act as if it's a well-established FACT that Malcolm X was assassinated by the US government, before implying that the Nation of Islam was some everyday peace-loving Islamic organization that was victimized.

    The other issue I have with RATM is, I'm unsure just how strongly they really do believe in their cause; for instance, I hear Tom drives to protests and fundraisers in an SUV. But then, I've also heard him say this when asked about being signed to a major, capitalistic label:
    How is it against "their cause"(whatever you think that might be) if he drives an suv...

    Just because a band holds marxist beliefs does not mean they wish for a primitive society often associated wrongly with the end result of communism or anarchism.

    And really, how does that quote not quell your skepticism?

    They like all the rest of us are human and thus are imperfect. I see many people of many different religions doing things that contradict their doctrines all the time. I do not stop and question the strength of their convictions because I realize they are imperfect. If Tom wants to buy an expensive suv or get signed to a major label, who gives a shit. They're spreading a message and exposing minds to different ideas, which has been made possible by their label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aclockworkapple View Post
    I totally agree that Evil Empire is a disappointment.
    I third that, but it may just be because I loved their first album so much. They were my favorite band for several years, and now I have never even listened to their subsequent albums.

    I enjoyed the politics and the, well, anger, of the first album. Of course, I was 16 or so at the time. Now they don't seem relevant to me (personally), but I'm glad they're willing to speak out.

    To be honest, I'm not even sure whether I'll see them at coachella....

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    The politics are what drives Rage Against The Machine. When Zack de la Rocha screams, you know he means it. You know he is passionate about what he is saying. It shows you they are really trying to say something. That is what makes Rage feel so real. I believe that they (well... Zack and Tom anyways) truly believe in what thier music stands for. And I respect that. They just dont sing about anything for the sake of singing. Rage would be a totally different band if their lyrics werent political. Truth be told, I do agree with everything they say. However, I do find thier points intruiging and I respect what they have to say.
    Also, politics is HUGE reason they are reuniting. I would ever go as far as to say it is THE reason they are reuniting. Tom Morello said it himself...
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...+are+reuniting
    And Tom does have a good point about capitalism. If Rage wanted to be complete socialists/communists or whatever, they wouldnt be famous. They have to give in some. But what they are trying to do is make the government/society give in a little to. Whether or not thier music makes an immediate impact doesnt matter. They are atleast trying. Also, whethere Tom Morello drives and SUV or not, doesnt matter. If you have all that money, I garuntee you no matter how much you believe in socialism, you will NOT be driving a piece of shit car. Some with the reunion. Who cares how much they got paid. Its a capitalist society. They cant just donate thier time and music for free. And goldenvoice is the one who offered all the money. If someone offere you $_million dollars, its like you would say "Ok. We would love to play. But, do you think you could pay us a couple million less? That would be super swell."
    I will not be missing Rage for anyone! (Even Infected Mushroom... *tear*)
    Also, MSI are a great group! You may not like thier music due to thier musical chaoticness or thier obscene, swearing ridden lyrics... but they are extremely creative and talented. And yes, they themselves are humourous. However, they are not a joke. Have you heard thier cover of Tom Sawyer? They play it atleast 3 times as fast as Rush plays it. Not to mention, a kickass live show!

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