Will Phoenix's album be done in time?

[Bumblebee]

And I don't know I think this situation is different than Tool or Coldplay.

Coldplay/Tool had stronger catalogues and were "proven" headliners.

[heart cooks brain]

what makes them proven headliners?

do they have to have headlined coachella to be proven? because phoenix headlined lolla in 2010, and they did just fine.

[Bumblebee]

what makes them proven headliners?

do they have to have headlined coachella to be proven? because phoenix headlined lolla in 2010, and they did just fine.

By "Headlined" do you mean watch by fans that didn't want to see Green Day on the main stage playing at the same time? They were the 6 th highest billed act on that Lolla bill. Wilco and Raconteurs had the same pot 2 years earlier.

For Coachella they are arguably 2nd highest billed of all acts(presuming Fridays headliners only get top line by sharing.) 4 years later without a single note of new music heard.

[heart cooks brain]

they played a headliner length set at the largest american music festival at the time.

[Bumblebee]

they played a headliner length set at the largest american music festival at the time.

Let's say there 10k in the sahara and 10k at other tents. Will Phoenix be able to full entertain the other 60k people there, which is 75% of those who bought passes? Lolla 2010 was probably 30-40% range, and backing a hit album.

[concertgoer]

The answer is yes. You obviously didn't see them at Coachella in 2010.

[heart cooks brain]

Did Radiohesd entertain 60k? Did the black keys? No.

[kneuller]

Another thing to remember is that Sigur Ros is going to be closing on the Outdoor while Moby closes the Sahara and The Violent Femmes close the Gobi. Who the fuck is going to watch these guys?

I will be. I want to see Sigur Ros, Moby, and The Violent Femmes as well but Phoenix ranks hire for me. Also I dont believe that all 4 you mentioned will be playing at the same time so I'm not really that worried.

[Bumblebee]

Did Radiohesd entertain 60k? Did the black keys? No.

Radio head easily had 60,000 check out several songs from their set. Asp rocky, sub focus and Kaskade were their only competition.

Keys were up against Atari, explosions, M83 and Afrojack.

[Bumblebee]

The answer is yes. You obviously didn't see them at Coachella in 2010.

Phoenix earned their ability to play to 1/3rd of a major festival crowd like they did in Chicago and Indio. Why they deserve to have that doubled 4 years later?

[thagorillaz]

Radio head easily had 60,000 check out several songs from their set. Asp rocky, sub focus and Kaskade were their only competition.

Keys were up against Atari, explosions, M83 and Afrojack.

I mean, asap, sub focus and kaskade are huge draws for a certain crowd. This argument is stupid either way though

[Mr. Fuzz]

Guys, hopefully they'll drop some balls or have lasers or something.

[concertgoer]

Phoenix earned their ability to play to 1/3rd of a major festival crowd like they did in Chicago and Indio. Why they deserve to have that doubled 4 years later?

What's with all this deserves and earned bullshit? The only thing that matters is Goldenvoice believes they are ready to headline the festival.

[SepaGroove]

Guys, hopefully they'll drop some balls or have lasers or something.

There better be something.

The music alone is never enough.

[Miroir Noir]

Let's say there 10k in the sahara and 10k at other tents. Will Phoenix be able to full entertain the other 60k people there, which is 75% of those who bought passes? Lolla 2010 was probably 30-40% range, and backing a hit album.

Bumblebee, to establish how fucking stupid your question is, let's assume for the sake of argument that the answer is "no." No, Phoenix will not be able "to full [sic] entertain the other 60K people there, which is 75% of those who bought passes." So what, then? What is the point of asking the question?

Will people riot? Go home early? Go see what's on the other stages instead? Not buy passes next year?

What, quite literally, is the point of your endless concern trolling about who "deserves" to headline and what the respective audience count was at various headlining sets at Coachella and other festivals over the years?

[SepaGroove]

If Phoenix didn't deserve to headline Saturday night they wouldn't be headlining.

Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

[Mr. Fuzz]

Maybe Knife Party will drop some wibblle-wabbles on the main stage after them.

[unit300021]

Coldplay/Tool had stronger catalogues and were "proven" headliners.

I don't know about that. Obviously Wolfgang got them the success but all their work prior is pretty fucking good. I think you are confusing "stronger catalogs" with "more popular catalog." Wolfgang was more mainstream successful then anything Tool has put out.

[concertgoer]

If Phoenix didn't deserve to headline Saturday night they wouldn't be headlining.

Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Because Bumblebee is a moron.

[Mr. Fuzz]

I don't know about that. Obviously Wolfgang got them the success but all their work prior is pretty fucking good. I think you are confusing "stronger catalogs" with "more popular catalog." Wolfgang was more mainstream successful then anything Tool has put out.

You're obviously retarded.

[unit300021]

You're obviously retarded.

How so? They all have about the same number of albums out so it's not like you can claim it's stronger because of higher quantity. I like Tool the best out of the three but I'll take Phoenix's catalog over Coldplay's catalog any day of the week because IMO it's better. Now unlike Phoenix Coldplay got a hit single/album from the very beginning so they have had mainstream success all along. Just because their body of work is more popular doesn't mean it's better/stronger. Now of course that mainstream success Coldplay has had from the beginning is the reason why they have been pretty much headlining since the beginning and Phoenix is just starting to now.

Now I say this as a fan of Tool but what album of theirs had more mainstream success/radio play then Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix?

[thagorillaz]

I don't know about that. Obviously Wolfgang got them the success but all their work prior is pretty fucking good. I think you are confusing "stronger catalogs" with "more popular catalog." Wolfgang was more mainstream successful then anything Tool has put out.

False. This sounded right to me, so I looked up US chart performance and Tool simply annihilates Phoenix's chart performance. Wolfgang topped out at 37 on the US charts, while tool has had 2 records reach number 1 and 1 record reach number 2. All of Tool's records have gone platinum (Most multiple times) while Wolfgang went gold.
sry dood
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_discography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_%28band%29

[Nealocus]

Their single drops on Monday, excited to hear it!

[unit300021]

Alright well I will admit when I am wrong. I didn't do any research simply because I don't ever remember hearing any Tool song get as much radio play as 1901 or Lisztomania did/still does. It could also just be I don't listen to the radio that often so when I do I just coincidentally hear Phoenix almost every time and not Tool.

[Bumblebee]

If Phoenix didn't deserve to headline Saturday night they wouldn't be headlining.

Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

All signs point to GV not hearing a note of the new album before booking them.

Perhaps both the festival and the band thought the album would be out before some delays.

Band/audience/promoters seem to be eyeing a transition to arena/headliner type status. It's a legit question to ask if playing a set with 1/3rd unknown material at the continents highest profile festival could work against that attempted transition.

[heart cooks brain]

All signs point to GV not hearing a note of the new album before booking them.

Go on...

[Mr. Fuzz]

Alright well I will admit when I am wrong. I didn't do any research simply because I don't ever remember hearing any Tool song get as much radio play as 1901 or Lisztomania did/still does. It could also just be I don't listen to the radio that often so when I do I just coincidentally hear Phoenix almost every time and not Tool.

Where were you in 1998? Tool has been one of the biggest bands in the world for the last 15 years.

[Mr. Fuzz]

All signs point to GV not hearing a note of the new album before booking them.

Perhaps both the festival and the band thought the album would be out before some delays.

Band/audience/promoters seem to be eyeing a transition to arena/headliner type status. It's a legit question to ask if playing a set with 1/3rd unknown material at the continents highest profile festival could work against that attempted transition.

They're playing the Cosmo pool deck, in Las Vegas, the weekend inbetween Coachellas - I think that illustrates their drawing power.

[Miroir Noir]

It's a legit question to ask if playing a set with 1/3rd unknown material at the continents highest profile festival could work against that attempted transition.

It's certainly a legit question if you're concern trolling like a mother fucker.

[Bumblebee]

I don't know about that. Obviously Wolfgang got them the success but all their work prior is pretty fucking good. I think you are confusing "stronger catalogs" with "more popular catalog." Wolfgang was more mainstream successful then anything Tool has put out.

Tool(repeat headliner, no less) and Coldplay had played 4,000-15,000+ sized venues for close to a decade each when they headlined festivals playing unheard material. Phoenix only did that in 2009/2010.

Tool had the album out by show number 2. Coldplay had proshot videos of the new songs hit the web immediately after that performance.

I hope fans at Coachella get more than the single and Vanouver audience shot video in which to judge the set.