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    It's about time:

    By Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press
    Posted: 10/31/13, 9:30 AM PDT

    WASHINGTON — More than 47 million Americans who receive food stamps will see their benefits go down starting Friday, just as Congress has begun negotiations on further cuts to the program.

    Beginning in November, a temporary benefit from the 2009 economic stimulus that boosts food stamp dollars will no longer be available. According to the Agriculture Department, that means a family of four receiving food stamps will start receiving $36 less a month.

    The benefits, which go to 1 in 7 Americans, fluctuate based on factors that include food prices, inflation and income. The rolls have swelled as the economy has struggled in recent years, with the stimulus providing higher benefits and many people signing up for the first time.



    As a result, the program has more than doubled in cost since 2008, now costing almost $80 billion a year. That large increase in spending has turned the program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, into a target for House Republicans looking to reduce spending.

    Negotiations on a wide-ranging farm bill, including cuts to the SNAP program, began Wednesday. Five-year farm bills passed by both the House and the Senate would cut food stamps, reductions that would come on top of the cut that will go into effect Friday. But the two chambers are far apart on the amounts.



    Legislation passed by the GOP-controlled House would cut food stamps by an additional $4 billion annually and tighten eligibility requirements. The House bill would also end government waivers that have allowed able-bodied adults without dependents to receive food stamps indefinitely and allow states to put broad new work requirements in place.

    The Senate farm bill would cut a tenth of the House amount, with Democrats and President Barack Obama opposing major cuts.

    Farm-state lawmakers have been pushing the farm bill for more than two years, and Wednesday’s conference negotiations represented the opening round in final talks. If the bill is not passed by the end of the year and current farm law is not extended, certain dairy supports would expire that could raise the price of milk. Farmers would start to feel more effects next spring.

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    Yes, it's about time that millions of the worst-off of my fellow citizens needlessly go hungry so that we can meet some abstract goal of reducing future budget outlays by an arbitrary amount while protecting the low tax rates enjoyed by billionaires.
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    On the Edge of Poverty, at the Center of a Debate on Food Stamps
    By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
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    DYERSBURG, Tenn. — As a self-described “true Southern man” — and reluctant recipient of food stamps — Dustin Rigsby, a struggling mechanic, hunts deer, doves and squirrels to help feed his family. He shops for grocery bargains, cooks budget-stretching stews and limits himself to one meal a day.

    Tarnisha Adams, who left her job skinning hogs at a slaughterhouse when she became ill with cancer, gets $352 a month in food stamps for herself and three college-age sons. She buys discount meat and canned vegetables, cheaper than fresh. Like Mr. Rigsby, she eats once a day — “if I eat,” she said.

    When Congress officially returns to Washington next week, the diets of families like the Rigsbys and the Adamses will be caught up in a debate over deficit reduction. Republicans, alarmed by a rise in food stamp enrollment, are pushing to revamp and scale down the program. Democrats are resisting the cuts.

    No matter what Congress decides, benefits will be reduced in November, when a provision in the 2009 stimulus bill expires.

    Yet as lawmakers cast the fight in terms of spending, nonpartisan budget analysts and hunger relief advocates warn of a spike in “food insecurity” among Americans who, as Mr. Rigsby said recently, “look like we are fine,” but live on the edge of poverty, skipping meals and rationing food.

    Surrounded by corn and soybean farms — including one owned by the local Republican congressman, Representative Stephen Fincher — Dyersburg, about 75 miles north of Memphis, provides an eye-opening view into Washington’s food stamp debate. Mr. Fincher, who was elected in 2010 on a Tea Party wave and collected nearly $3.5 million in farm subsidies from the government from 1999 to 2012, recently voted for a farm bill that omitted food stamps.

    “The role of citizens, of Christianity, of humanity, is to take care of each other, not for Washington to steal from those in the country and give to others in the country,” Mr. Fincher, whose office did not respond to interview requests, said after his vote in May. In response to a Democrat who invoked the Bible during the food stamp debate in Congress, Mr. Fincher cited his own biblical phrase. “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat,” he said.

    On Wednesday, the Department of Agriculture released a 2012 survey showing that nearly 49 million Americans were living in “food insecure” households — meaning, in the bureaucratic language of the agency, that some family members lacked “consistent access throughout the year to adequate food.” In short, many Americans went hungry. The agency found the figures essentially unchanged since the economic downturn began in 2008, but substantially higher than during the previous decade.

    Experts say the problem is particularly acute in rural regions like Dyersburg, a city of 17,000 on the banks of the Forked Deer River in West Tennessee. More than half the counties with the highest concentration of food insecurity are rural, according to an analysis by Feeding America, the nation’s largest network of food banks. In Dyer County, it found, 19.4 percent of residents were “food insecure” in 2011, compared with 16.4 percent nationwide.

    Over all, nearly 48 million Americans now receive food stamps, an $80 billion-a-year program that is increasingly the target of conservatives. Robert Rector, a scholar at the conservative Heritage Foundation, argues that the food stamp program should be overhauled so that benefits are tied to work, much as welfare was revamped under President Bill Clinton. He advocates mandatory drug testing for food stamp recipients — a position that draws support from Mr. Rigsby, who dreams of becoming a game warden and said it irritated him to see people “mooch off the system.”

    But when benefits drop in November, the Rigsbys, who say they receive about $350 a month, can expect $29 less.

    “People have a lot of misimpressions about hunger in America,” said Maura Daly, a Feeding America spokeswoman. “People think it’s associated with homelessness when, in fact, it is working poor families, it’s kids, it’s the disabled.” Hunger is often invisible, she said, and in rural areas it is even more so.

    Hunger was easy to see on a recent morning in Dyersburg. Hundreds of people, many of them food stamp recipients, lined up at the county fairgrounds for boxes of free food — 21,000 pounds of meat, potatoes, grains and produce — that had been trucked in from a food bank in Memphis. About 80 volunteers set up an assembly line in a warehouse to distribute the food.

    More than 700 families get help each month from the charitable program, Feed the Need, which was founded in 2009 by Mark Oakes, the chairman of the local Salvation Army, after a string of nearby factories closed.

    “We couldn’t absorb the work force back into our community,” Mr. Oakes said, “and people were hungry.”

    Among the first in line at the fairgrounds was Kathy Baucom, 61, a former welder disabled by lupus. She lives alone in a trailer, hunts deer — “last year I bagged seven,” she said — and makes burgers, roasts and jerky out of venison. Her food stamp benefits of $125 a month were recently reduced to $117.

    “I don’t buy milk because it’s so expensive,” she said. “I don’t buy cheese.”

    Officially called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, food stamps have long been a cornerstone of the federal safety net. Benefits, adjusted for income, are loaded monthly onto a government-issued debit card. Recipients say the money typically lasts a little more than two weeks.

    “We don’t splurge,” Ms. Adams said, “and it doesn’t last.”

    She shops at Save-A-Lot and cooks frequently with pasta, because it is filling. One recent evening, she baked a tray of mostaccioli, an Italian pasta, with meat and cheese. Hoping it would last for two meals, she had none herself.

    “You hate to tell your child, ‘You can’t eat this, you have to save it for another day,’ ” she said.

    For the Rigsbys, both 20, the priority is three meals a day for their son, Drake, who is 1. Some months they run out of milk. Mr. Rigsby, who is out of work with a knee injury, recently sold his truck for cash; his wife, Christina, works part time as a clerk at J. C. Penney. On the refrigerator in their sparsely furnished apartment is a calendar marked with the date — the 6th — that their card is refreshed. “FOOD!” it declares.

    “When we got married, we told each other that we want to be able to sit down at the table and eat as a family,” Mrs. Rigsby said. “But we don’t really get to do that.”

    In Washington, House Republicans propose cutting $40 billion more in food stamps over the next 10 years by imposing work requirements and eliminating waivers for some able-bodied adults. The cuts would push four million to six million low-income people, including millions of “very low-income unemployed parents” who want to work but cannot find jobs, off the rolls, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a left-leaning research organization.

    Even if approved in the House, the cuts would face strong opposition from Democrats in the Senate. But the arguments of Mr. Rector, the Heritage Foundation scholar, are gaining traction with conservatives on Capitol Hill. “I think food stamps have in the Republican mind become the symbol of an out-of-control, means-tested welfare state,” Mr. Rector said.

    Here in Tennessee, Mr. Fincher embraces that view. “We have to remember there is not a big printing press in Washington that continually prints money over and over,” he said in May.

    Mr. Rigsby said his family would find a way to make do. “The way I was raised,” he said, “it’s, ‘Be thankful for what you’ve got.’ We’re not the worst case out there. But somebody else? How is this going to affect them?”
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    instead of food stamps, they should give everyone a good pair of bootstraps amiright?
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    instead of food stamps, they should give everyone a good pair of bootstraps amiright?
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    Free to Be Hungry
    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: September 22, 2013

    The word “freedom” looms large in modern conservative rhetoric. Lobbying groups are given names like FreedomWorks; health reform is denounced not just for its cost but as an assault on, yes, freedom. Oh, and remember when we were supposed to refer to pommes frites as “freedom fries”?

    The right’s definition of freedom, however, isn’t one that, say, F.D.R. would recognize. In particular, the third of his famous Four Freedoms — freedom from want — seems to have been turned on its head. Conservatives seem, in particular, to believe that freedom’s just another word for not enough to eat.

    Hence the war on food stamps, which House Republicans have just voted to cut sharply even while voting to increase farm subsidies.

    In a way, you can see why the food stamp program — or, to use its proper name, the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) — has become a target. Conservatives are deeply committed to the view that the size of government has exploded under President Obama but face the awkward fact that public employment is down sharply, while overall spending has been falling fast as a share of G.D.P. SNAP, however, really has grown a lot, with enrollment rising from 26 million Americans in 2007 to almost 48 million now.

    Conservatives look at this and see what, to their great disappointment, they can’t find elsewhere in the data: runaway, explosive growth in a government program. The rest of us, however, see a safety-net program doing exactly what it’s supposed to do: help more people in a time of widespread economic distress.

    The recent growth of SNAP has indeed been unusual, but then so have the times, in the worst possible way. The Great Recession of 2007-9 was the worst slump since the Great Depression, and the recovery that followed has been very weak. Multiple careful economic studies have shown that the economic downturn explains the great bulk of the increase in food stamp use. And while the economic news has been generally bad, one piece of good news is that food stamps have at least mitigated the hardship, keeping millions of Americans out of poverty.

    Nor is that the program’s only benefit. The evidence is now overwhelming that spending cuts in a depressed economy deepen the slump, yet government spending has been falling anyway. SNAP, however, is one program that has been expanding, and as such it has indirectly helped save hundreds of thousands of jobs.

    But, say the usual suspects, the recession ended in 2009. Why hasn’t recovery brought the SNAP rolls down? The answer is, while the recession did indeed officially end in 2009, what we’ve had since then is a recovery of, by and for a small number of people at the top of the income distribution, with none of the gains trickling down to the less fortunate. Adjusted for inflation, the income of the top 1 percent rose 31 percent from 2009 to 2012, but the real income of the bottom 40 percent actually fell 6 percent. Why should food stamp usage have gone down?

    Still, is SNAP in general a good idea? Or is it, as Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, puts it, an example of turning the safety net into “a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.”

    One answer is, some hammock: last year, average food stamp benefits were $4.45 a day. Also, about those “able-bodied people”: almost two-thirds of SNAP beneficiaries are children, the elderly or the disabled, and most of the rest are adults with children.

    Beyond that, however, you might think that ensuring adequate nutrition for children, which is a large part of what SNAP does, actually makes it less, not more likely that those children will be poor and need public assistance when they grow up. And that’s what the evidence shows. The economists Hilary Hoynes and Diane Whitmore Schanzenbach have studied the impact of the food stamp program in the 1960s and 1970s, when it was gradually rolled out across the country. They found that children who received early assistance grew up, on average, to be healthier and more productive adults than those who didn’t — and they were also, it turns out, less likely to turn to the safety net for help.

    SNAP, in short, is public policy at its best. It not only helps those in need; it helps them help themselves. And it has done yeoman work in the economic crisis, mitigating suffering and protecting jobs at a time when all too many policy makers seem determined to do the opposite. So it tells you something that conservatives have singled out this of all programs for special ire.

    Even some conservative pundits worry that the war on food stamps, especially combined with the vote to increase farm subsidies, is bad for the G.O.P., because it makes Republicans look like meanspirited class warriors. Indeed it does. And that’s because they are.
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    In all seriousness, there is no greater indictment of current right wing politics than the simple fact that their primary policy goals of the present moment are 1) denying the expansion of health care coverage to poor people, and 2) reducing the already-too-meager food subsidies given to poor people.

    An absolute moral abomination.
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    Right, this is the point that I feel needs to be driven home as hard as possible:

    last year, average food stamp benefits were $4.45 a day. Also, about those “able-bodied people”: almost two-thirds of SNAP beneficiaries are children, the elderly or the disabled, and most of the rest are adults with children.

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    Also, SNAP eligibility is the primary way that poor children qualify for free and reduced school breakfast and lunch.

    Right now 1 out 5 American children struggles with food insecurity. 1 out of 5. Millions of them, little children who have hungry bellies at night when they go to sleep, or during the day while they are trying to learn.
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    We used to have a War On Poverty in this country. But "the poor" were almost never mentioned in the 2012 presidential elections... always the "middle class". Now we have something more like the war on the poor than anything else.

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    We used to have a War On Poverty in this country. But "the poor" were almost never mentioned in the 2012 presidential elections... always the "middle class". Now we have something more like the war on the poor than anything else.
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    But I mean, there IS money to be made by helping poor people, in that providing assistance is a first step to integrating them in a meaningful way into the economy. It allows them to survive while they send their kids to school (with proper supplies! imagine that!), it allows them to purchase household necessities, it may even enable them to look for better work. Even if the parents remain at a low income level, their kids might be able to move up. Isn't that the American dream?
    All those things will contribute to economic growth, and when you have growth in a meaningful way not just at the top of the distribution, you're generating wealth that will be spent on consumer goods, which will lead to more jobs. We have seen income growth for the top 1%, and sorry, but it's not trickling down for shit. A lot of wealth concentrated in the hands of very few is less meaningful than a lot of wealth concentrated in the hands of many, if for no other reason than because it's going to change hands more.

    A lot of your typical market failures result from short-sightedness; if we could just look past immediate reward and gratification then we just might make it to a better place.

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    One should not have children that one can not afford.

    Get a good education. Get a good job. Then think about making babies, and not the other way around.

    You know, I do feel sorry for poor children. You're right in that respect: It's not their fault that they're poor. It's their parents' fault. I wish there was a logical way to take care of the kids and penalize the parents. No, wait, the Roman Empire tried that........

    ......and farm subsidies.......where do I begin? I got educated on farm subsidies in the U.S.A. about two years ago, as I really didn't understand how it all worked and what all the hoopla was about. Then I got educated--and shocked. I grew up in The Midwest USA, constantly hearing about "...the plight of the poor farmer." Poor farmer, my a--. I then saw a document that listed all the "poor farmers" in my county, who were paid THOUSAND AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN FARM SUBSIDIES not to grow crops and to let their fields "go fallow". Those "poor farmers"--many of them--were millionaires, literally, thanks to Uncle Sam's "farm subsidies". I say good riddance to all farm subsidies. Let the law of Supply and Demand control prices. If that means I pay $8.00 for a gallon of milk, so be it. If I can't afford it, I guess I drink soy milk or almond milk or rice milk or something less expensive instead.....probably better for my health anyway.
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    I will agree that farm subsidies are a giant stupid waste of money.

    I will not agree that we should let people starve because you perceived that they did something they shouldn't have.

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    You know, I do feel sorry for poor children. You're right in that respect: It's not their fault that they're poor. It's their parents' fault. I wish there was a logical way to take care of the kids and penalize the parents.
    Penalize them in a way other than the crushing burdens, stigmas, and indignities of living a life of poverty?
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    Never thought there would be heartless delusional wingnuts on a Coachella message board until now. Jesus.

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    You should go on Facebook or read news comments more often if you think this is bad.
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    Hey here's an idea. You know those people who are desperately poor, down on their luck, uneducated, abused, and generally ill-equipped for life? Let's make fun of them.

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    You should go on Facebook or read news comments more often if you think this is bad.
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    How are we going to be able to afford to throw pallets full of money into the bottomless pit that is the military-industrial complex if we waste it on things like healthcare and food for poor people?

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    Do Coachella vendors take EBT cards?
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    They probably can't; I don't believe EBT cards can be used for prepared meals. Maybe at the farmer's market?
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    But I mean, there IS money to be made by helping poor people, in that providing assistance is a first step to integrating them in a meaningful way into the economy. It allows them to survive while they send their kids to school (with proper supplies! imagine that!), it allows them to purchase household necessities, it may even enable them to look for better work. Even if the parents remain at a low income level, their kids might be able to move up. Isn't that the American dream?
    All those things will contribute to economic growth, and when you have growth in a meaningful way not just at the top of the distribution, you're generating wealth that will be spent on consumer goods, which will lead to more jobs. We have seen income growth for the top 1%, and sorry, but it's not trickling down for shit. A lot of wealth concentrated in the hands of very few is less meaningful than a lot of wealth concentrated in the hands of many, if for no other reason than because it's going to change hands more.

    A lot of your typical market failures result from short-sightedness; if we could just look past immediate reward and gratification then we just might make it to a better place.
    You assume, incorrectly, that most of these kids living at the poverty level have two loving, caring parents.

    They don't.

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    Should people on food stamps start farming?
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    On the Edge of Poverty, at the Center of a Debate on Food Stamps
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    Tarnisha Adams, who left her job skinning hogs at a slaughterhouse when she became ill with cancer, gets $352 a month in food stamps for herself and three college-age sons. She buys discount meat and canned vegetables, cheaper than fresh. Like Mr. Rigsby, she eats once a day — “if I eat,” she said.
    Eats once a day? My girlfriend and I spend less than $352.00 a month on food between us and we only go out to eat once a week. I saw that she has three college age sons, why the hell aren't they working and helping out? Things like rice, beans, tortillas, pasta, peanut butter are super cheap and allow you to splurge on meat, fruit, and vegetables. I'm inclined to believe this lady is lying or her sons are lazy asses that let their mother starve.
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    How do you know they're not helping out? I'm sure she'd like them to be investment bankers or whatever, but from what position of moral judgment do you presume to know that they're a bunch of lazy asses simply because of the facts presented in the article?
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    In California the more kids you have the more money. I've worked retail in poor communities. The system is a joke don't believe this shit. The majority are not hungry . In the ghetto people waste their funds on garbage that isn't even on sale at overpriced convenience stores. Ebt cash goes mainly to drugs and alcohol . Ebt food goes to candy and shit or sold to people half off for more drug and alcohol money . It's easy to spin but when you actually see it first hand it's a joke . Id love to see the amount of ebt money that goes to tobacco . People your defending is nice in some fantasy land , in real life it's the worst of humanity being worthless and being enabled. Yeah letting people suffer is wrong. These are people who are highly criminal that you'd never talk to. The system is not working
    Spicy pie is mainstream shit.

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    ^ This will not go over well.
    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    Hey here's an idea. You know those people who are desperately poor, down on their luck, uneducated, abused, and generally ill-equipped for life? Let's make fun of them.

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    Should farmers be given food stamps?
    Whiskey Sour

    2 oz blended whiskey
    Juice of 1/2 lemon
    1/2 tsp powdered sugar
    1 cherry
    1/2 slice lemon

    Shake blended whiskey, juice of lemon, and powdered sugar with ice and strain into a whiskey sour glass. Decorate with the half-slice of lemon, top with the cherry, and serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roboto View Post
    In California the more kids you have the more money. I've worked retail in poor communities. The system is a joke don't believe this shit. The majority are not hungry . In the ghetto people waste their funds on garbage that isn't even on sale at overpriced convenience stores. Ebt cash goes mainly to drugs and alcohol . Ebt food goes to candy and shit or sold to people half off for more drug and alcohol money . It's easy to spin but when you actually see it first hand it's a joke . Id love to see the amount of ebt money that goes to tobacco . People your defending is nice in some fantasy land , in real life it's the worst of humanity being worthless and being enabled. Yeah letting people suffer is wrong. These are people who are highly criminal that you'd never talk to. The system is not working
    Yeah, I worked in a grocery store for two years. You'd see people use their food stamps and then use their money to buy cigs and alcohol and then go over to the coffee kiosk and buy a $5.00 drink. There's a lot of abuse in the system, it is designed to supplement your income to allow you to buy fruits, vegetables, and meat.
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    Yeah how about care packages instead . Give them the food they need and supplies . Don't give them money . Also you could drug test but we all know 80 percent would fail driving up shiplifting . Again these are criminal people you liberal morons who have never seen it just sit in your high chairs .
    Spicy pie is mainstream shit.

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