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    yay no one took me seriously ... -_-
    damn grammar nazis
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    damn actual nazis.
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    Yes there are always going to be logical folks who own guns, but its too easy to get a gun in this country. I used to load a gun everyday at a pot shop I worked at, it didn't help when we had a robbery and I had 3 guns to my head, I left that fucking gun out of sight, I was not going to risk my life or my employee's life. I'm all for guns for certain reasons, but the accessibility and the glamour they hold in multimedia is frightening. When you look at people like they are points in a video game rather than a life that has grown and evolved up to a point where you decide its ok to end it, guns are a huge fuck up.
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    So the NRA still thinks in 1994. He fucking mentioned "splatterhouse". Turbografix16......

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    Mortal Combat?

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    Isn't the ultimate rallying cry for the NRA federalism? His proposal squarely spits in the face of that. "Congress should put armed police officers in every school." From where? The federal police force? Because, as I recall from two centuries worth of cases, the federal government cannot require state actors to participate in federally-mandated programs. They're going to commandeer police officers from the states and require them to go into schools? What if the state doesn't support that action?

    And this horseshit quote: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." So we'd be comfortable with police officers firing their weapons in a situation full of children.
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    the federal government cannot require state actors to participate in federally-mandated programs
    Right. this was the core of the Supreme Court ruling on PPACA striking down the mandated Medicaid expansion.
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    NRA PRESS CONFERENCE
    12/21/2012

    The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.

    Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.

    Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?

    The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.

    And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.

    How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.

    We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.

    Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!

    The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment?

    How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame — from a national media machine that rewards them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while provoking others to try to make their mark?

    A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?

    And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country. Meanwhile, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40% — to the lowest levels in a decade.

    So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.

    And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

    Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come
    my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?

    Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."

    But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?

    In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.

    A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.

    And throughout it all, too many in our national media ... their corporate owners ... and their stockholders ... act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.

    The media call semi-automatic firearms "machine guns" — they claim these civilian semi-automatic firearms are used by the military, and they tell us that the .223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers ... when all of these claims are factually untrue. They don't know what they're talking about!

    Worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban — or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people — will protect us where 20,000 others have failed!

    As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own — to stop it.

    As parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school. The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away ... or a minute away?

    Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow morning: "More guns," you'll claim, "are the NRA's answer to everything!" Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools. But since when did the word "gun" automatically become a bad word?

    A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.

    So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?

    They're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty to protect them — it's our right to protect them.

    You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?

    Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?

    Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by fear and hatred of the NRA and America's gun owners that you're willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the children in her care? No one — regardless of personal political prejudice — has the right to impose that sacrifice.

    Ladies and gentlemen, there is no national, one-size-fits-all solution to protecting our children. But do know this President zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.

    With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school? Even if they did that, politicians have no business — and no authority — denying us the right, the ability, or the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm.

    Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can immediately make America's schools safer — relying on the brave men and women of America's police force.

    The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.

    I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.

    Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security.

    Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local authorities — and draw upon every resource available — to erect a cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have a different solution based on its own unique situation.

    Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America's preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.

    Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now. We did it for the nation's defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we'll do it for our schools today.

    The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security to building design and access control to information technology to student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be developed by the very best experts in their fields.

    Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and running from the first day forward.

    If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained — armed — good guy.

    Under Asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge.

    That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive and indisputable difference in the safety of our children — starting right now.

    There'll be time for talk and debate later. This is the time, this is the day for decisive action.

    We can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't work. We mustn't allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. We must act now.

    For the sake of the safety of every child in America, I call on every parent, every teacher, every school administrator and every law enforcement officer in this country to join us in the National School Shield Program and protect our children with the only line of positive defense that's tested and proven to work.

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    And a corollary ruling saying that state actors cannot magically become federal actors was one of the reasons for overturning SB1070. They were pissed about it then, yet they are making the same argument they screamed about.
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    I want to scream after reading that bullshit.
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    I've noticed a direct connection between gun supporters and people who believe in "good guys" and "bad guys." I wonder if any of them have actually watched some of those Clint Eastwood movies they're so enamored with.
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    The NRA press conference was like some weird performance art or parody of what liberals accuse the NRA of being. Unimaginably tone deaf and clueless.
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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmack86 View Post
    "Congress should put armed police officers in every school." From where? The federal police force? Because, as I recall from two centuries worth of cases, the federal government cannot require state actors to participate in federally-mandated programs. They're going to commandeer police officers from the states and require them to go into schools? What if the state doesn't support that action?
    In the ultimate of ridiculous ironies, the principal case on this point is Printz, where Scalia wrote an opinion stating that the feds couldn't commandeer local sheriffs to administer provisions of the Brady Act. The NRA etc were of course all amicus on the side of the Montana sheriff challenging the law.
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    Now that private-equity firm Cerberus is selling the Freedom Group due to pressure from one of their biggest investors, the CTA pension fund, it got me to wondering where my shares lie in my IRA. Turns out 10% is in "consumer defense". Trying to figure out what/where/who that is on the Vanguard website proved to be very problematic. Talking with a phone rep wasn't terribly helpful either. She did give me clues how to dig for it. It will probably take me hours. And then I'll have to figure out how best to divest. No more money for a gun manufacturer from me.
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    I spent all day yesterday trying to get the website of a firearm accessories merchant back up after their domain name had expired. Their sales went from meager to over a half million daily immediately following the shooting.

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    That NRA press conference may have done more to advance the cause of gun control than the shootings themselves.
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    Oh looka the kitty Kitty & the dolphin (girly giggle giigly)

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    Elise Foley: "I played a ton of Mario Kart as a kid, which is why I'm always throwing bananas out of my car."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    I spent all day yesterday trying to get the website of a firearm accessories merchant back up after their domain name had expired. Their sales went from meager to over a half million daily immediately following the shooting.
    My cube mates have been discussing this. They buy guns and have been looking for some this past week and reported that several local stores and Wal-Marts are out of rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    Elise Foley: "I played a ton of Mario Kart as a kid, which is why I'm always throwing bananas out of my car."
    Someone mentioned on another site how interesting it was that the NRA decided to pick on these particular fantasy games as examples (Mortal Combat?), instead of any one of the Tom Clancy-esque military shooter games which all feature realistic guns and are much more popular.

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    The war is over. How can we sell more guns?

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    Shooting children seems to work fairly well.

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    I watched a bunch of Kung-Fu movies, am I a ninja?

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    What is the NRA?

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    This pretty much proves how worthless the NRA's stance is. Not that it needed more proof.

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    I'll just leave this here.
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    If the bad guys just agree to wear one color and the good guys wear another color I think having armed security at schools will work out just fine.

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    THE BAD GUYS.

    Shouldn't you be able to tell the bad guys apart by their crazy capes and clever attacks based on their bad guy alter egos?
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