Beyond Wonderland Bay Area

[hangthedj112]

there will be techno

I hope Richie Hawtin and Umek are there!!1!!1!!

[guedita]

I'm still curious about what clubs seitron has heard techno in that has led him to opine that massives are more suited for the genre.

[Bud Luster]

Move over Menik. Guedita for board curmudgeon 2012.

[seitron]

Just because I have more fun at massives doesn't mean they're more "suited for the genre" (I'm not even sure what that means). But I've been to Public Works... it's really not better than a parking lot.

[guedita]

Ah. You're right, I misread you earlier. You have more fun at massives than you do at clubs. Though if you think a parking lot with "big-ass speakers" is the same or better than a funktion sound system at PW then I'm just going to guess that you aren't really an audiophile.

[guedita]

I hope Richie Hawtin and Umek are there!!1!!1!!

PACO OSUNA BRO!

[seitron]

I am an audiophile, but there are a fuckton of other things that impact how much fun I have besides audio quality, and I don't know why you think outside venues have shitty sound quality. I had no complaints about sound at EDC, which was also outside and put on by insomniac.

[hangthedj112]

seitron aren't you in like fucking high school I seriously doubt you have a wide enough breadth of experience with clubbing to make such a generalized statement.

[Robin]

there are a fuckton of other things that impact how much fun I have besides audio quality

Drugs

[Mugwog]

What? The polo grounds most certainly do have the appeal of being a scenically wonderful place to experience music. A parking lot on the side of one of the ugliest freeways in known existence does not.

VENUE DOES NOT MATTER ALL YOU NEED IS PLUR AND XSTACY

[Ross1492]

also, polo grounds don't sound like a better musical experience than a nice club, oh wait..yeah

As concerning techno, the polo grounds ABSOLUTELY offer up an inferior musical experience.

[seitron]

seitron aren't you in like fucking high school I seriously doubt you have a wide enough breadth of experience with clubbing to make such a generalized statement.

What generalized statement? Everything I said had the word "I" as in talking about me. And yeah of course I'm in fucking high school I'm like 12 years old.

[seitron]

Drugs

Crowd size, crowd energy, decorations, lineup, friends I go with, lights, "festival" vs. "dj/club" sets, number of stages, and yeah drugs I guess

[Ross1492]

Crowd size, crowd energy, decorations, lineup, friends I go with, lights, "festival" vs. "dj/club" sets, number of stages, and yeah drugs I guess

Interesting. I'm of the opinion that the latter is nearly always preferable to the former. Festival sets are inevitably shorter, mostly filled w/ tired, big-room crowd pleasers and less attention is paid to programming.

[guedita]

I just spit out water laughing at the "festival" vs "dj/club" set bit.

[Ross1492]

I found it particularly odd as well. I know zero people that prefer festival sets to club sets.

[Gribbz]

Crowd size, crowd energy, decorations, lineup, friends I go with, lights, "festival" vs. "dj/club" sets, number of stages, and yeah drugs I guess

How dare you like something that I do not.

[guedita]

I enjoy myself at a set a lot more when I know that nearby there are other stages playing other music that I can't hear, too, though. So that one makes sense.

[GuyInTucson]

Interesting. I'm of the opinion that the latter is nearly always preferable to the former. Festival sets are inevitably shorter, mostly filled w/ tired, big-room crowd pleasers and less attention is paid to programming.

I think it depends on where the clubs are, too. For example, Tucson doesn't have any choice locations to experience dance music in. I assume there are similar-sized cities in other states where it's the same.

[guedita]

Well, sure, but the point has been made that San Francisco is not lacking in clubs or techno bookings. It's not as if Insomniac hosting a massive with a techno stage is replacing any void in that respect. Except I guess for the 18 and 19 and 20 year olds that can't get into the clubs in the city. But it would be silly to pretend that there's a sizeable group of techno-enthusiasts in that age range anyway.

Unless Nick's been techno trendsetting for all of his friends.

[ManImCool]

Guedita wants to go to this so that she can tell people she doesn't want to be there and that the venue/artists/crowd sucks.

[Mugwog]

And that was clearly not the best techno available that night in San Francisco, some dude with a foosball table threw down.

[GuyInTucson]

Insomniac's Techno stage featuring Tiesto.

[seitron]

I found it particularly odd as well. I know zero people that prefer festival sets to club sets.

If this were true then there would be no festival sets. It depends on the artist. Have I not seen the artist ever or in years? Festival. Have I seen them recently and would I expect a similar show? Club set.

All you stupid fucks are laughing at me but I bet all of you prefer Chemical Brothers live over their dj sets. I don't particularly care for SMD dj sets either. Kaskade? Yeah I'd take the afterparty dj set.

[guedita]

Um. What? Plenty of artists, techno artists in particular, perform "live" in clubs. SMD and The Chemical Brothers have toured with their live show in non-festival settings.

You're doing an excellent job of making it patently clear that you've spent very little time in clubs.

[seitron]

Um. What? Plenty of artists, techno artists in particular, perform "live" in clubs. SMD and The Chemical Brothers have toured with their live show in non-festival settings.

You're doing an excellent job of making it patently clear that you've spent very little time in clubs.

I should have typed "live" instead of "festival" then. Festival sets are usually live and club sets are usually dj. *Usually*. Beyond will have more "live" sets and clubs in the area will have more "dj" sets. Yes there exceptions and distinctions between artists, but this is one of the reasons I like festivals and am not satisfied just going to clubs. There are not many (if any) big festivals in the area with a techno stage, so yes they are "filling a void" in that respect. The point is, the idea that there should be no reason at all to be excited about a local Insomniac festival is laughable, if you aren't excited you're entitled to that, but other people are also entitled to be excited about it. We all like different things -- whoa.

For the record, I enjoy many forms of electronic music, I love the techno stages, Plastikman at Coachella was one of my favorite sets ever, but I also plan on going to and enjoying Tiesto in October. If you enjoy a sense of superiority over this, by all means go ahead and laugh/pleasure yourself to how hardcore you are. The idea that you not only listen to better music but you also listen to music better is laughable to me.

[guedita]

With the exception of a handful of artists such as those you previously mentioned, the difference between a festival set and a club set is not whether or not one is live and the other is a dj set. It's laughable that that's how you think things are.

[seitron]

With the exception of a handful of artists such as those you previously mentioned, the difference between a festival set and a club set is not whether or not one is live and the other is a dj set. It's laughable that that's how you think things are.

That's not how I think things are, but I think there is a distinction between the two and I don't know how to articulate it, so no matter how I describe it people bitch back. But I know I'm not the only one who realizes there is a distinction between the two.

[guedita]

Festival sets are typically shorter than club sets. There's a distinction for you.

[Mugwog]

But in 2003 Paul Van Dyk did a 3 hour set at Beyond LA, he only did 2.5 hours at Avalon 3 weeks prior.