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    First two weekends, now the S.S. Coachella, rumors of an event at the great park in Irvine.... Is Goldenvoice/Coachella "selling out"? Is this the beginning of the end?

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    oh dear...

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    i fail to see how adding more and more events is nearing the end. Doesn't this mean it's successful and doing well?
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    WHAT?! Coachella isn't underground anymore?! Fuck this.

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    Chicken Little

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trick Loves The Kids View Post
    I tend to agree with the OP though maybe not in such cataclysmic terms

    2 weekends + Guetta clones + instant sellout + this dumb boat thing are not really wonderful signs imo
    This could all be remedied (for me) by a stellar 2013 lineup. I feel, despite the quick sellout, that GV really belly-flopped in this regard for the 2012 fest.
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    "I love having a total of 10 hours all year when I can buy Coachella tickets straight from GV" - a whole gang of anti-hipsters

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    The Irvine great park even hasn't happened yet, and for all we know it may never.
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    Irvine won't happen. And why didn't they count Stagecoach as an event?

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    i think we all know the answer to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ET MB 90266 View Post
    First two weekends, now the S.S. Coachella, rumors of an event at the great park in Irvine.... Is Goldenvoice/Coachella "selling out"? Is this the beginning of the end?
    this is called hipster logic
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    I tend to agree with the OP though maybe not in such cataclysmic terms

    2 weekends + Guetta clones + instant sellout + this dumb boat thing are not really wonderful signs imo

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    Don't forget about the payment plans extra space and shuttles. Hell in a handbasket.

    But seriously, I never realized that so much of the experience for people was knowing that they were at the only annual Coachella event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayaDelWes View Post
    Don't forget about the payment plans extra space and shuttles. Hell in a handbasket.

    But seriously, I never realized that so much of the experience for people was knowing that they were at the only annual Coachella event.
    I never got that logic either. Pretty selfish.

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    Fucking. Hipster. Scum.

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    Part of me wants to laugh at this because Goldenvoice is owned by AEG Live which is one of the biggest concert promoters in the world. AEG Live is a huge corporation. So technically hasn't Goldenvoice been a "sell out" as long as AEG has owned them? They are a business just like Live Nation/Ticketmaster. They might choose to do their business differently but bottom line they are a business and they need to make money. But then the other part of me understands where you are coming from. Just in the past two years i have felt a change while at Coachella. The people attending seem different. But I don't think that has to do with Goldenvoice. The event has become more popular simply by word of mouth over the years. If the event wasn't still popular we wouldn't be able to attend a Coachella with such high production value. That's the joy of having a big company backing this event. You can't have it both ways.

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    Yes, it's sold out. Don't buy tickets. Don't go. More room for the rest of us.
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    Goldenvoice has corporate backing sure, but aeg leaves em the fuck alone when they thought about doing a hologram tupac. If it ain't broke, what's there to fix?

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    I think certain people are just turned off when something they like becomes popular. They don't feel unique or exclusive anymore so they turn into a bunch of whiny fucking babies and complain about companies and artists selling out or going mainstream. If Coachella loses some appeal because of a fucking cruise that takes place elsewhere and an additional festival that takes place elsewhere, then that's a you problem.
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    there's absolutely no connection to be made between the instant sellouts, the Sahara Tent Featuring David Guetta And Friends, and the new cruise

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    whatsoever

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    I know I won't be able to enjoy something if I know someone else is going to enjoy the same thing a week later. Or on a boat.
    Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyInTucson View Post
    I think certain people are just turned off when something they like becomes popular. They don't feel unique or exclusive anymore so they turn into a bunch of whiny fucking babies and complain about companies and artists selling out or going mainstream. If Coachella loses some appeal because of a fucking cruise that takes place elsewhere and an additional festival that takes place elsewhere, then that's a you problem.
    This!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyInTucson View Post
    I think certain people are just turned off when something they like becomes popular. They don't feel unique or exclusive anymore so they turn into a bunch of whiny fucking babies and complain about companies and artists selling out or going mainstream. If Coachella loses some appeal because of a fucking cruise that takes place elsewhere and an additional festival that takes place elsewhere, then that's a you problem.
    Word

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyInTucson View Post
    I think certain people are just turned off when something they like becomes popular. They don't feel unique or exclusive anymore so they turn into a bunch of whiny fucking babies and complain about companies and artists selling out or going mainstream. If Coachella loses some appeal because of a fucking cruise that takes place elsewhere and an additional festival that takes place elsewhere, then that's a you problem.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomal...st-paid-djs/2/

    “The Coachella music festival served as microcosm in the evolution of electronic dance music from a niche into a mainstream format,” says AEG chief Randy Phillips. “EDM translates more successfully as a consumer experience in the open field festival environment or in a general admission [or] flat floor venue than it does in large arenas with fixed seats. Efforts to tour EDM stars in arenas across North America have proven to yield uneven results outside of a handful of major markets.”
    If "becomes popular" means "the bosses are making a deliberate attempt to cash in on pop-EDM" then yes, I am a whiny baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trick Loves The Kids View Post
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomal...st-paid-djs/2/



    If "becomes popular" means "the bosses are making a deliberate attempt to cash in on pop-EDM" then yes, I am a whiny baby
    The most interesting part of this angle is that Coachella has always targeted the most popular electronic artists of the given era. You had artists like Oakenfold, Fatboy Slim and Moby on the lineup in the early years. In the mid 2000's it was Daft Punk, PVD, Tiesto, etc. Since then the more popular acts are the likes of SHM, Calvin Harris, Afrojack, and the wave of dubstep that has flooded the music market.

    I am in no way defending the music, but you act as if Coachella has altered their formula completely. They really haven't. It's just that pop-EDM is what happens to be what the younger crowd desires.Fortunately, if EDM is the only thing you go for, you guys have DEMF, dB, EDC, Ultra and many other festivals available to you.

    I get your sentiment, Trick, but I have a different point of view than yourself. A sub-par to poor EDM lineup isn't going to keep me away if the rest of the lineup is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyInTucson View Post
    The most interesting part of this angle is that Coachella has always targeted the most popular electronic artists of the given era. You had artists like Oakenfold, Fatboy Slim and Moby on the lineup in the early years. In the mid 2000's it was Daft Punk, PVD, Tiesto, etc. Since then the more popular acts are the likes of SHM, Calvin Harris, Afrojack, and the wave of dubstep that has flooded the music market.

    I am in no way defending the music, but you act as if Coachella has altered their formula completely. They really haven't. It's just that pop-EDM is what happens to be what the younger crowd desires.Fortunately, if EDM is the only thing you go for, you guys have DEMF, dB, EDC, Ultra and many other festivals available to you.

    I get your sentiment, Trick, but I have a different point of view than yourself. A sub-par to poor EDM lineup isn't going to keep me away if the rest of the lineup is good.
    Dude, yes, but there has always been a mix of the pop shit and the underground shit. Remember when Daft Punk played? Carl Cox had a two hour set that night bro. That's not some pop shit.

    Based on that article, a dude who is literally Paul T's boss says they're trying to cash in on the pop-EDM fad now because it's $$$$$$$. Based on the lineups since I've been going I can tell you that they've more or less completely eschewed the underground shit in favor of the Guetta/Skrillex clones. These two things combined make it really easy to say that yes, something has changed.

    I don't think GV gives a fuck because they're rolling in that Guetta money, and I don't really either 'cause I'm kind of over the huge festival thing personally. It's still silly to say that people who notice this change are just whining, y'know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trick Loves The Kids View Post
    Dude, yes, but there has always been a mix of the pop shit and the underground shit. Remember when Daft Punk played? Carl Cox had a two hour set that night bro. That's not some pop shit.

    Based on that article, a dude who is literally Paul T's boss says they're trying to cash in on the pop-EDM fad now because it's $$$$$$$. Based on the lineups since I've been going I can tell you that they've more or less completely eschewed the underground shit in favor of the Guetta/Skrillex clones. These two things combined make it really easy to say that yes, something has changed.

    I don't think GV gives a fuck because they're rolling in that Guetta money, and I don't really either 'cause I'm kind of over the huge festival thing personally. It's still silly to say that people who notice this change are just whining, y'know?
    Go back and look at the 2002 lineup. Sure, there was Prodigy, The Chems, Dirty Vegas, Lee Burridge, Sasha and Digweed, but the top half of the dance card are names like Oakenfold, Tiesto, BT (who had just worked with N'Sync for fucks sake).. the fillers were DJ's who were playing everywhere else at the time (Dj Dan, Christopher Lawrence, Sandra Collins). There was nothing really unique or underground about that dance card.

    It eventually got better as years went on. The following year had Underworld, Amon Tobin, Masters at Work, Roger Sanchez, Richie Hawtin, Deep Dish, etc.

    I will admit that I wouldn't be surprised to see another shitty top-half-of-the-dance-lineup, Trick. But I also believe there is a good chance it will be more diverse in 2013 than in 2012. If it sucks, so be it, I'll check out other music.

    FWIW, Xanman86 posted that he met Richie Hawtin and asked him about Coachella 2013 - http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2512255

    There's my small glimmer of hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyInTucson View Post
    I think certain people are just turned off when something they like becomes popular. They don't feel unique or exclusive anymore so they turn into a bunch of whiny fucking babies and complain about companies and artists selling out or going mainstream. If Coachella loses some appeal because of a fucking cruise that takes place elsewhere and an additional festival that takes place elsewhere, then that's a you problem.
    Is it acceptable to question the festivals worth when changes dramatically impact the event or experience? You act like Coachella should be loved by all, GuyinTucson. I can't blame those who don't like the expansion and overall changes of the festival. It is a very different thing compared to just four years ago. For some, the changes are enough to consider not attending. For others, the current popularity has made it difficult to obtain passes to go. You complaining about the disinterest is comical. Coachella will gain plenty enough interest to replace those old timers who are now turned off. Out with the 30+ year olds and the acts geared toward that demographic. In with the overly intoxicated 18 year olds attending for the top 40 Sahara line-up, and the bullshit spillover acts that take up chunks of set times throughout the rest of the stages. Even exchange.

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    Is it acceptable to question the festivals worth when changes dramatically impact the event or experience? You act like Coachella should be loved by all, GuyinTucson.
    Acceptable? It always has been, but how it "dramatically affects" an individuals experience is subjective. I also do not care if certain people don't like the direction of the festival.

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    I can't blame those who don't like the expansion and overall changes of the festival. It is a very different thing compared to just four years ago. For some, the changes are enough to consider not attending.
    There are people who are turned off every year, so what's your point? My first Coachella was 11 years ago and these alterations are being dramatically overblown. Yes, it's more popular, the lineup is bigger, there is a big focus on camping and the landscape of music in general has changed in that timeframe. So what? For people like myself and many others, it has been consistently good each and every year.

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    For others, the current popularity has made it difficult to obtain passes to go. You complaining about the disinterest is comical. Coachella will gain plenty enough interest to replace those old timers who are now turned off. Out with the 30+ year olds and the acts geared toward that demographic.
    I have been able to obtain passes without a problem each of the past three years and again for 2013. Those who didn't try or failed to obtain a pass before presale ended will likely have little-to-no problem finding one if they really want to go and, no, you don't have to hand over large piles of cash to a scalper. There are people on here who will have extra passes who will be more than willing to accommodate another boardee for face-value. If that's too much work for you, ok cool, but a couple of hours online to purchase a pass is a small price to pay for what I consider to be one of the best weekends of the year.

    Out with the 30+ crowd? I turn 31 next month. You know there are people in their 40's and 50's on this board who will continue to go. Just because you may be a part of the 30+ crowd who is turned off at the direction Coachella is going, there are plenty of us who completely disagree with you.


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    In with the overly intoxicated 18 year olds attending for the top 40 Sahara line-up, and the bullshit spillover acts that take up chunks of set times throughout the rest of the stages. Even exchange.
    A lot of people here, myself included, were likely a part of the "overly intoxicated 18 year olds" crowd at one point or another. The top-40 in the Sahara? The closest comparison I can give you is what I said to Trick. They have always booked the most popular electronic artists.

    As for "bullshit spillover acts that take up chunks of set times throughout the rest of the stages"... . You have to be more specific. I don't know exactly what you are talking about here
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