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    Look all I am saying is that mental illness by itself is not a sufficient explanation for murder and I think it is damaging to treat it as such. Obviously it is more complicated than "character flaws" and i concede that. I don't intend to present a thesis on what causes these kinds of actions.

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    Actually it makes me furious when oeople blame mental illness for things like this. It stigmatizes the vast majority of non-violent mentally ill people and I'm sorry but no matter how fucked somebody is in the head it neither explains not justifies killing other human beings.
    Certainly there are degrees and types of mental illness that can play huge roles in people doing fucked-up things, right? When they're talking about "mental illness," in these cases, just assume they're talking about the type of mental illness that could contribute to someone not thinking straight and firing a gun at a bunch of people. To dismiss how mental illness could have contributed, just because of a fear of stigmatizing general mental illness, would be absolutely foolish.
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    My perception is that in general people take a logical leap from "he's mentally ill" to "that's why he killed people". There has to be something else in that chain. Can mental illness work in concert with other problems or flaws? Absolutely. I am really just beating back at what I see as scapegoatism and intellectual laziness.

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    Slight tangent, I was in a theater for a viewing of Nightmare Elm on Street and the theater caught on fire. It began to fill with smoke and it took us an oddly long time to figure out this wasn't part of the movie. I can relate to these people's initial confusion.

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    Well, it's always problematic to blame a certain action or sequence of actions, especially something like murder of this sort, on a single "reason."

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    Some people might posit that a person has to be mentally ill to orchestrate such violence against innocent victims.
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    If it's any consolation for you, the insanity defense has been extremely narrowly defined since the 1970s, and it is increasingly rare that a jury finds a defendant not guilty by reason of insanity.

    What is more common is for a defendant to not be brought to trial at all upon a finding that they are mentally incompetent to understand the trial or aid in their own defense.
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    Some men just want to watch the world burn?

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    Here's the worthless fuck that did this. Apparently he painted his hair red and told the police "I'm the Joker."


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    No, just rojo.

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    I thought eye witnesses said he was dressed in a SWAT team outfit?
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    I'd rather not have to look at his picture. Jessica's brother said this crime will be remembered for the victims and survivors not the perpetrator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogvolta View Post
    Of all of the tragic news of deaths, child deaths, massacres over seas, war, etc. for some damned odd reason this news really disturbed me when I heard about it at work early this morning.
    This is something that should really disturb everyone. It seems like no place is safe anymore from piece of shit people like this. And gun control is not the issue here. Revising the system and making it harder for people to get firearms will help a litte bit, but people will always just turn to the black market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceyHotshot View Post
    My perception is that in general people take a logical leap from "he's mentally ill" to "that's why he killed people". There has to be something else in that chain. Can mental illness work in concert with other problems or flaws? Absolutely. I am really just beating back at what I see as scapegoatism and intellectual laziness.
    I think almost all reasonable people are able to make a distinction and understand there are degrees of mental illness. I guess the inherent problem might be that most people aren't reasonable.

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    I find it disturbing that the last two Batman movies have had weird tragedies surrounding them. Is the franchise cursed?
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    My home. Sad for the peeople. I hate guns, always have...... cr****

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceyHotshot View Post
    Look all I am saying is that mental illness by itself is not a sufficient explanation for murder and I think it is damaging to treat it as such. Obviously it is more complicated than "character flaws" and i concede that. I don't intend to present a thesis on what causes these kinds of actions.
    And you are right in every state except one. A mental illness, in and of itself, is not enough to claim insanity as a defense for a murder. You need the mental illness to have some affect on the way the person acts such that they cannot control themselves or they have a severe misunderstanding of basic principals. And yes, this does happen.

    That said, I highly doubt, based on the description of his actions as well as the bombs in his apartment, that he would offer a successful insanity defense in any state except the one that uses the Durham test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amyzzz View Post
    I find it disturbing that the last two Batman movies have had weird tragedies surrounding them. Is the franchise cursed?
    Yes, let's further the discussion by talking about a potential curse.

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    OMG AMY IM GOIN TO SEE TEH BATMENS MOVIE WILL I GETS BAD JUJU?

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    Half-joking. Probably too soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceyHotshot View Post
    Look all I am saying is that mental illness by itself is not a sufficient explanation for murder and I think it is damaging to treat it as such. Obviously it is more complicated than "character flaws" and i concede that. I don't intend to present a thesis on what causes these kinds of actions.
    yes, mental illness actually can be a sufficient explanation for murder. The word you are looking for is "excuse". mental illness should not excuse or absolve someone for murder.

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    My perception is that in general people take a logical leap from "he's mentally ill" to "that's why he killed people".
    yes, sometimes it can be just that simple.

    People can get whipped into a frenzied witch hunt when they look too hard for societal/environmental factors at times like these. It's possible that this guy was not cut out for society, and it may not be society's fault. It's too early to tell but this guy's might have a severe chemical imbalance or brain tumor bullying his pre-frontal cortex around, or what have you.

    But folks will still go right ahead and try to leverage this to pass bans on violent video games and sport weapons (yes, some guns do happen to have uses other than for ending people's lives), and generally just self-righteously imposing their values on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SepaGroove View Post
    This is something that should really disturb everyone. It seems like no place is safe anymore from piece of shit people like this. And gun control is not the issue here. Revising the system and making it harder for people to get firearms will help a litte bit, but people will always just turn to the black market.
    We have very little proof of that. Yes, a select few will, but most of those people will be part of some sort of organized crime syndicate. A mentally disturbed person seeking to go on a shooting rampage will be much less likely to have the connections to get in contact with a black market arms dealer.

    For reference, do you know who you could contact to get a portable-RPG or weapons-grade plutonium? Both are illegal and sold on the black market, and both are hard to come by. Another specious argument that seems to be borne of paranoia rather than logic.
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    For reference, do you know who you could contact to get a portable-RPG or weapons-grade plutonium? Both are illegal and sold on the black market, and both are hard to come by.
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    apparently he booby trapped his apartment with enough explosives that they said could've taken out his and the other buildings around him.

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    Well, outside of Amazon.
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    I can't quite get my mind around this one. Shooting or not what were these parents thinking?

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