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    aka the Commercialism Thread or the Unfettered Capitalism Thread or the Market Society Thread.

    I found Thomas Friedman's latest column to be very thought provoking, in which he discusses a book What Money Can’t Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets by some Harvard dude. Most interesting sentence to me is the part about Amercian moving from a market economy to a market society. Not a new thought or worry but still one that seems to go un-understood or unheeded by the American Idol crowd.



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    By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN


    PORING through Harvard philosopher Michael Sandel’s new book, “What Money Can’t Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets,” I found myself over and over again turning pages and saying, “I had no idea.”

    I had no idea that in the year 2000, as Sandel notes, “a Russian rocket emblazoned with a giant Pizza Hut logo carried advertising into outer space,” or that in 2001, the British novelist Fay Weldon wrote a book commissioned by the jewelry company Bulgari and that, in exchange for payment, “the author agreed to mention Bulgari jewelry in the novel at least a dozen times.” I knew that stadiums are now named for corporations, but had no idea that now “even sliding into home is a corporate-sponsored event,” writes Sandel. “New York Life Insurance Company has a deal with 10 Major League Baseball teams that triggers a promotional plug every time a player slides safely into base. When the umpire calls the runner safe at home plate, a corporate logo appears on the television screen, and the play-by-play announcer must say, ‘Safe at home. Safe and secure. New York Life.’ ”

    And while I knew that retired baseball players sell their autographs for $15 a pop, I had no idea that Pete Rose, who was banished from baseball for life for betting, has a Web site that, Sandel writes, “sells memorabilia related to his banishment. For $299, plus shipping and handling, you can buy a baseball autographed by Rose and inscribed with an apology: ‘I’m sorry I bet on baseball.’ For $500, Rose will send you an autographed copy of the document banishing him from the game.”

    I had no idea that in 2001 an elementary school in New Jersey became America’s first public school “to sell naming rights to a corporate sponsor,” Sandel writes. “In exchange for a $100,000 donation from a local supermarket, it renamed its gym ‘ShopRite of Brooklawn Center.’ ... A high school in Newburyport, Mass., offered naming rights to the principal’s office for $10,000. ... By 2011, seven states had approved advertising on the sides of school buses.”

    Seen in isolation, these commercial encroachments seem innocuous enough. But Sandel sees them as signs of a bad trend: “Over the last three decades,” he states, “we have drifted from having a market economy to becoming a market society. A market economy is a tool — a valuable and effective tool — for organizing productive activity. But a ‘market society’ is a place where everything is up for sale. It is a way of life where market values govern every sphere of life.”

    Why worry about this trend? Because, Sandel argues, market values are crowding out civic practices. When public schools are plastered with commercial advertising, they teach students to be consumers rather than citizens. When we outsource war to private military contractors, and when we have separate, shorter lines for airport security for those who can afford them, the result is that the affluent and those of modest means live increasingly separate lives, and the class-mixing institutions and public spaces that forge a sense of common experience and shared citizenship get eroded.

    This reach of markets into every aspect of life was partly a result of the end of the cold war, he argues, when America’s victory was interpreted as a victory for unfettered markets, thus propelling the notion that markets are the primary instruments for achieving the public good. It was also the result of Americans wanting more public services than they were willing to pay taxes for, thus inviting corporations to fill in the gap with school gyms brought to you by ShopRite.

    Sandel is now a renowned professor at Harvard, but we first became friends when we grew up together in Minneapolis in the 1960s. Both our fathers took us to the 1965 World Series, when the Dodgers beat the Twins in seven games. In 1965, the best tickets in Metropolitan Stadium cost $3; bleachers were $1.50. Sandel’s third-deck seat to the World Series cost $8. Today, alas, not only are most stadiums named for companies, but the wealthy now sit in skyboxes — even at college games — that cost tens of thousands of dollars a season, and hoi polloi sit out in the rain.

    Throughout our society, we are losing the places and institutions that used to bring people together from different walks of life. Sandel calls this the “skyboxification of American life,” and it is troubling. Unless the rich and poor encounter one another in everyday life, it is hard to think of ourselves as engaged in a common project. At a time when to fix our society we need to do big, hard things together, the marketization of public life becomes one more thing pulling us apart. “The great missing debate in contemporary politics,” Sandel writes, “is about the role and reach of markets.” We should be asking where markets serve the public good, and where they don’t belong, he argues. And we should be asking how to rebuild class-mixing institutions.

    “Democracy does not require perfect equality,” he concludes, “but it does require that citizens share in a common life. ... For this is how we learn to negotiate and abide our differences, and how we come to care for the common good.”

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    This Article reminded me of a few years back when people were getting paid to do this...

    You know, but that's valid because if we are all gonna die anyway shouldn't we be enjoying ourselves now? You know, I'd like to quit thinking of the present, like right now, as some minor insignificant preamble to something else.

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    I did hear a story about a pair of college students (or grads?) who were wearing ads on their faces to pay their college debt.
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    Golden Palace was even paying for naming rights to unborn children...

    http://www.auction-registration.com/...s-sold-on.html

    Unborn Triplet's Naming Rights Sold On eBay
    It looks like Golden Palace Casino is looking to rename everyone in the world to "GoldenPalace.com". About a week ago, they bought the naming rights to a Tennessee woman for $15,199.

    Now they bought the naming rights to a woman's unborn triplets for $12,000. One of the children will be named "GoldenPalace.com", while the other two children's names will not be released until they are born.

    This seems like a much better deal than the other auction because you get to name 3 people (works out to $4,000 each, vs. $15,199 for the Tennessee woman). But more importantly, these are newborns, so they are going to live a lot longer than the Tennessee woman, so it will be a longer advertising period as well.
    You know, but that's valid because if we are all gonna die anyway shouldn't we be enjoying ourselves now? You know, I'd like to quit thinking of the present, like right now, as some minor insignificant preamble to something else.

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    That is seriously fucked up. There should be a law against doing that to your kids. That seems like abuse to me.
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    Like Tom Said...

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    Not a new thought or worry but still one that seems to go un-understood or unheeded by the American Idol crowd.
    You know, but that's valid because if we are all gonna die anyway shouldn't we be enjoying ourselves now? You know, I'd like to quit thinking of the present, like right now, as some minor insignificant preamble to something else.

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    I find it extremely frustrating that actual people are making decisions based on something that has been subliminally pitched to them and they do not even realize that it’s happening.
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    5pm. Time to go home. Miller time!

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    That video makes me want to see Neil Young. I guess I need to do some research (he's playing Outside Lands).
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    I'm already home. I'm waiting for my neighbor to show up.

    We're headed to taco tuesdays at Whole Foods Market on Arroyo (plenty of parking).
    Tacos are only 1 dollar each !!!
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    GO AWAY, BATIN'!!!!!!! brought to you by Carl's Jr.

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    Yeah, I got a solution, you're a dick! South Carolina, what's up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    aka the Commercialism Thread or the Unfettered Capitalism Thread or the Market Society Thread.

    I found Thomas Friedman's latest column to be very thought provoking, in which he discusses a book What Money Can’t Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets by some Harvard dude. Most interesting sentence to me is the part about Amercian moving from a market economy to a market society. Not a new thought or worry but still one that seems to go un-understood or unheeded by the American Idol crowd.
    It was an ok article and i really like Friedman, but I fail to see the correlation between an increase in marketing by corporate sponsorship and an increasing social class division. I especially had a hard time with this and how it has anything to do with what he is talking about:

    When we outsource war to private military contractors, and when we have separate, shorter lines for airport security for those who can afford them, the result is that the affluent and those of modest means live increasingly separate lives, and the class-mixing institutions and public spaces that forge a sense of common experience and shared citizenship get eroded.
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    The correlation is that our society is for sale. Including the way we run our public functions and the way we interact with each other.

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    You mean middle and lower class society is for sale?
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    Everyone and everything is for sale. You have a price based upon your credit and klout score. Private prisons don't fill themselves.

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    I've been saying for years that we should get out of this bad economy by getting sponsors for the states. Instead of being called "Texas," it can be called "Men In Black III - In Theaters on May 25th," and with that money, we can fix public education and start small businesses. The new national anthem for America could be: Five. Five Dollar. Five Dollar Foot Long. Put a Mickey Mouse hat on the Statue of Liberty. Add Ronald McDonald's face to Mount Rushmore.
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    I'm imagining people singing that 5 dollar footlong song during the 7th inning stretch.
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    You may have a price but you don't get the money. You just get valuable opportunities for products and services customized to better meet your needs.

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    Hallmark holidays. Facebook. This war is brought to you by Blackwater.

    Just imagine at the super bowl, "this national anthem is brought to you by gay.com". You'd kill off half the republican party with aneurysms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    Hallmark holidays. Facebook. This war is brought to you by Blackwater.

    Just imagine at the super bowl, "this national anthem is brought to you by gay.com". You'd kill off half the republican party with anyeurisms.
    Not if they had a controlling share. Their morality can be bought too.

    I think we should have government mandated contacts imprinted with corporate logos on them so everything we see is an advertisement for something. Then we will be fulfilled.
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    Let's extend it to ideals too. "I support gay marriage" this message brought to you by Pfizer
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    I see gay marriage being a better fit for Malibu rum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kreutz2112 View Post
    You mean middle and lower class society is for sale?
    No, but the idea is that if you can commodify everything, including differing ways to approach the same ends (the example of being able to pay to get through a security line at the airport more quickly was the one they offered) means that we don't share common experiences regardless of class. The less the classes have in common at a basic level, the less understanding they can have.
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    Military contractors might not be the best example. Contractors/mercenaries/whatever have been a part of warfare for thousands of years. His point is well taken though.

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    Imagine this flying over Iwo-Jima...
    You know, but that's valid because if we are all gonna die anyway shouldn't we be enjoying ourselves now? You know, I'd like to quit thinking of the present, like right now, as some minor insignificant preamble to something else.

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    That flag always annoys me. Some guy does a half-ass job photoshopping some random logos on a flag, and everyone goes "Yeah, maaaaaaaan" and passes it around like it's so deep.

    First of all, we'd be lucky if there were this many companies ruling the world. The problem is consolidation. GE and NBC are the same company (as well as Comcast and Universal). ABC and Disney are the same. There's an old Bell System logo AND an AT&T logo. There are two Microsoft related logos, neither of which are actual Microsoft logos. I have no idea what the Q in the lower right, the ones on either side of Shell, or the one under CBS are. Chrysler but not Ford or GM? There's a camel for...cigarettes? Or foreign oil? Is Playboy really still considered a corporate powerhouse?

    Where...the fuck...is Google? Or even Facebook?

    This flag is clearly the work of an out of touch, middle aged hippie. Ultra-liberals- hearts in the right place, heads up their asses.

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