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    typically the requirements are only to get a marriage license in the first place. There aren't any checks and balances to ensure that once the marriage license is issued that a person still has the same name, gender or even physical address that they had when the license was issued. once you're married in the eyes of the state, the marriage cannot be dissolved without one of the parties initiating it.

    that said, when children are involved and the couple goes through a divorce, there can be many complications resulting from a gender change especially when the state doesn't recognize same sex marriage or allow the individual to change their birth certificate.
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    The marriage is still legal. But if she were to be divorced and tried to get married again (to a woman) post-op, then it wouldn't be recognized in a state that does not allow same-sex marriage. All depends on each state law, but i'm sure these are all lawsuits that will eventually make their way up to each state's supreme court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    Accepting the fact that a person can have a different gender identity means accepting the fact that they choose how to be identified. If you don't like it you can shut the fuck up.
    He ain't changing his birth certificate. You can't choose how you were born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miroir Noir View Post
    I would think that absent some sort of specific statutory directive on the issue, a court would be inclined to continue to recognize the marriage as valid. I am trying to think of how such a case would end up in the courts though . . . denial of state or federal spousal benefits or privileges? not sure that your garden variety defense of marriage conservative legal interest groups would have standing to challenge the validity of a preexisting marriage.
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    I'm thinking the state won't recognize the person's gender change and the marriage will remain legal.
    I would imagine the state or federal actors would deny rights that would get them into court, but it would have to occur after the state recognized that their marriage is now in violation of the state's prohibition. If they wanted to be bold, they could bring a declaratory judgment action and have the state decide whether or not their marriage is still valid.

    That being said, I imagine that what Amy said is right and that the state will likely stay out of it. Although, he's from Florida, and that's an area where the state might go more hard line against any unclear marriage definition.

    Like I said, fascinating.
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    I, for one, am now interested in listening to this band with whom I am not familiar after this revelation.
    Amy, start with New Wave. I'm sure many like the earlier stuff, but this is them at their "shiniest"/mainstream.
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    He ain't changing his birth certificate. You can't choose how you were born.
    People born with heart conditions and are sometimes given artificial hearts. How is this different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    He ain't changing his birth certificate. You can't choose how you were born.
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    If you don't understand the fundamentals of a situation, then you shouldn't be arguing about it. If you want to be angry about someone's sexual identity, at least go read a fucking book about the subject so that you don't look like a tremendous ignoramus every time you spout something off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannahrain View Post
    People born with heart conditions and are sometimes given artificial hearts. How is this different?
    It's absolutely different. Heart for a heart...
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    Wiener for a hole.
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    You can't choose how you were born.
    No, but you can choose how you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drinkey McDrinkerstein View Post
    If you don't understand the fundamentals of a situation, then you shouldn't be arguing about it. If you want to be angry about someone's sexual identity, at least go read a fucking book about the subject so that you don't look like a tremendous ignoramus every time you spout something off.
    Read a book about identity, please! You can't choose your identity. Its impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    Read a book about identity, please! You can't choose your identity. Its impossible.
    You think she would choose to be a woman in a man's body? I don't think so.
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    Read a book about identity, please! You can't choose your identity. Its impossible.
    So are you also of the thought that people choose to be gay?
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    A transgender "women" is not the same as a natural born women. They may look similar postop but they do not share the same identity. The never will.
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    Thanks for the insight, doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drinkey McDrinkerstein View Post
    So are you also of the thought that people choose to be gay?

    This is irrelevant. This man has never stated that he is a homosexual. Transgender and homos aren't the same either even though they share the same human rights struggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drinkey McDrinkerstein View Post
    Thanks for the insight, doctor.
    I'm not a Doctor(I hope you mean Philosipher) but you can call me Master.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    A transgender "women" is not the same as a natural born women. They may look similar postop but they do not share the same identity. The never will.
    So Caster Semenya, man or woman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    I'm not a Doctor(I hope you mean Philosipher) but you can call me Master.
    I would never mean "Philosipher"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    This is irrelevant. This man has never stated that he is a homosexual. Transgender and homos aren't the same either even though they share the same human rights struggle.
    it is not irrelevant. No, he's not gay, and you're right, transgender and homosexuality are not the same thing. The point is that you claimed that transgender people make a cognitive choice, the same argument that a lot of people who are anti-homosexual have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    Read a book about identity, please! You can't choose your identity. Its impossible.
    This doesn't really make sense to me. What, to you, constitutes "identity" and why is it a strictly inherent, innate thing?


    I'm not being dismissive or rude, I'm genuinely curious about your view of personal identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigermilkboy View Post
    So Caster Semenya, man or woman?
    Ah-hah! Is a persons identity for me to determine...
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    NO. IT'S NOT FOR YOU TO DETERMINE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
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    why are you guys responding to the obvious troll??

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    Quote Originally Posted by scenicworld View Post
    why are you guys responding to the obvious troll??

    herp derp not a real woman... philosiphing
    This discussion is interesting to me.
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    usually a discussion goes both ways, but here it's just one person pretending to know what he's talking about and a bunch of others showing him how stupid he's being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captncrzy View Post
    NO. IT'S NOT FOR YOU TO DETERMINE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
    Then how can you say that this guy can choose how we identify him. I don't see why we don't call him what he is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post
    Ah-hah! Is a persons identity for me to determine...
    No! But that is what you have done.

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