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    Quote Originally Posted by Miroir Noir View Post
    I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit -- especially when you are in the full throes of your "must-copy-and-paste-now" delirium -- but the original tweet I linked to said ATP was attempting to enforce exclusivity contracts "with certain bands," and not "all" bands, you stupid piece of shit.
    You're linking to someone who works at NME. Very reliable source! You've never been to ATP event so just shut the fuck up already. Do you really want ATP to end? They're one of few independent festivals who can still stand out from other major festivals. If you actually have a source where it shows that ATP is enforcing their "exclusive contracts" then we would all like to see it.

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    Spooks - when Bat For Lashes writes a song about you, I'll start taking notice of the things you say/copy/paste too. Until then...
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    well, for all intensive porpoises it is, will sell out within seconds tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooks View Post
    You're linking to someone who works at NME. Very reliable source! You've never been to ATP event so just shut the fuck up already. Do you really want ATP to end? They're one of few independent festivals who can still stand out from other major festivals. If you actually have a source where it shows that ATP is enforcing their "exclusive contracts" then we would all like to see it.
    What does having gone to ATP event or being a fan of them have to do with anything you are talking about? Have you ever gone back and read what you write and considered how off-topic and irrelevant all of it is? Your constant need to call people names and make fun of them personally is clouding the fact that you don't fucking know what you are talking about.
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    I'm sure sonofhal has probably been to more ATP events than any of us. Which is why I assume he is one of their biggest critics in this whole fiasco. I've been to 3 events, and I'm sad to see what happened to them, but I understand they did this to themselves. Their reputation at this point is shit. It's like finding out an old high school buddy is on meth, and you're not sure if any of the rumors of him giving handies behind Burger King are true but they very likely could be.
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    Just posting this here for the lazys,


    n the past 72 hours there have been many accusations thrown at ATP and some so vindictive that we feel it necessary to defend our position.

    Firstly, the claim that ATP has received all the funds for Jabberwocky is not true. We have not received a payment from Dash for more than two months. Any advances from the sales before that, went straight into event costs such as various artist fees and venue hire. But we have not received all the funds for Jabberwocky sales from Dash, and for them to make statements on their social media saying we have in fact received all these funds is simply not true. If that was the case, then we would not have struggled to stage the event.

    As per their Terms & Conditions at the time Jabberwocky went on sale, we were always under the impression that in the event of a cancellation; all refunds would be processed by Dash, as the funds were sent directly to Dash's PayPal account - not ATPs. Since then, Dash's Terms & Conditions have changed on their website without our knowledge, well after Jabberwocky was on-sale, in an attempt to reflect no responsibility for the payments accepted into their PayPal account.

    We know you are angry, and quite rightly so as you are hearing contradictory information concerning the source of your refunds - we are NOT trying to pass the buck, but any funds we did receive from Dash are tied up in the cancelled event and we too have lost considerable amounts of money. But we are petitioning Dash and working closely and restlessly with Paypal to ensure all customers receive their full due amount.

    Secondly, the PR firm we originally engaged for Jabberwocky, Zeitgeist, felt it was necessary to announce to the world that they were taking legal action against us. What they neglected to mention was that we actually terminated their services for doing a disappointingly substandard job on the Jabberwocky press campaign and are in a legal dispute with them over the amount owed. When we dismissed them, they also started circulating rumours that Jabberwocky was in trouble, which of course did not help with advance sales and unfortunately, became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    We are trying to get everyone refunded as soon as possible and honour all bands agreements. We have tried to assist in organising shows this weekend so all the door money goes to the artists to help pay their fee due for Jabberwocky and ensure that they are not out of pocket. The rumours that we stopped a band from playing a show because of a contractual obligation is also untrue. They assure us that they had not confirmed a show with another venue and were happy to book a show assisted by us in order to help secure their immediate expenses for the weekend and go towards the original fee that they were offered, which is being honoured.

    If people want to continue slinging mud at us, we can't stop them, but we would ask that you pause to think about what it takes for a company of our size to continue to exist in the current music climate, and question if you really believe that there was some machiavellian intent to rip off music fans that we have given so many years of our life to, whilst trying to survive and deliver quality shows. If anyone out there says they believe in what we do; now is the time to support us more than ever, rather than letting others try and kick us while we are down.

    We are devastated the event didn't happen. It has always been a dream to finally get together two of our long time friends - Pitchfork & Primavera - and Jabberwocky was to be this dream realised. We have all worked tirelessly for almost a year on this, and so of course, tried absolutely everything in our power to stage it right up to the very moment that there were no options left other than this absolute last resort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtticusGrinch View Post
    I don't really understand why this happened. ATP is citing high costs and low ticket numbers, but both those things can be researched through cost forecasting, market analysis, demand projection, etc. I mean, obviously there's some wiggle room for error there, but more or less they really should have known what the costs and ticket sales would look like prior to making a go-ahead decision to stage the fest. I feel like they are running this thing like a passion project not like a business, which would be fine except that their lack of professionalism negatively impacts thousands of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkbutt View Post
    I'm sure sonofhal has probably been to more ATP events than any of us. Which is why I assume he is one of their biggest critics in this whole fiasco. I've been to 3 events, and I'm sad to see what happened to them, but I understand they did this to themselves. Their reputation at this point is shit. It's like finding out an old high school buddy is on meth, and you're not sure if any of the rumors of him giving handies behind Burger King are true but they very likely could be.
    Which Burger King?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountmccabe View Post
    Which Burger King?
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