Health Insurance

[marooko]

Curse that down unemployment!

Seriously, my phone is ringing off the hook with job offers. I've even expanded my own business and am looking to hire people myself. Pretty exciting times.


My bad, mack, the healthcare is free.

[PotVsKtl]

You are the worst kind of reactionary no-information opinion collector.

[marooko]

And I love to read yours. No but really, I'm doing pretty ok. Seriously. Don't worry. Honest to an unspecified god and or higher power.

Oh and uh, feel free to inform.

Hey, pot, what kind of fish are you?

[PotVsKtl]

Roberts has been compromised and violated his Constitutional oath.

All patriots and freedom lovers are absolved from any mandate of slavery.

Historic precedent says bloodshed is now inevitable.

Prepare accordingly.

Buy guns, ammo, supplies now.


202 posted on Thu Jun 28 2012 11:59:06 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by TheBigJ

[TomAz]

I still see all 50 states taking this deal. The Court ruled 7-2 that the ACA couldn't use the denial of all Medicaid funding to force state participation, but the first couple of years of 100% federal funding, followed by the very state-friendly ratios thereafter will probably mean that even the craziest of the crazy state legislatures won't be able to say no to Medicaid expansion to 133% of the poverty line.

Then why did 26 states challenge it?

[TomAz]

This was a bit of a legal and rhetorical dance in the Roberts opinion. It was a "penalty" for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act (the ACA never calls the mandate penalties a "tax") and a "tax" for the purposes of determining constitutionality under Congress' taxing power (because the penalties have the effect of operating like a tax, and not a more serious civil or criminal penalty).

Talk about threading the needle.

[Miroir Noir]

Then why did 26 states challenge it?

Probably because 26 Republican governors or attorneys general don't like the idea of the government's involvement in health care generally. Remember, Clement's argument on their behalf was this: the Medicaid expansion is unconstitutionally coercive, it cannot be severed from the rest of the legislation, and accordingly, the entire act must fail. I don't imagine that there will be a lot of Republican legislators across the country who are happy about this, but at the end of the day, they're probably not going to block their states from getting such a substantial federal largesse on purely ideological grounds.

[Alchemy]

This reminds me that I turn 26 next year and will have to start thinking about health insurance.

[TomAz]

Probably because 26 Republican governors or attorneys general don't like the idea of the government's involvement in health care generally. Remember, Clement's argument on their behalf was this: the Medicaid expansion is unconstitutionally coercive, it cannot be severed from the rest of the legislation, and accordingly, the entire act must fail. I don't imagine that there will be a lot of Republican legislators across the country who are happy about this, but at the end of the day, they're probably not going to block their states from getting such a substantial federal largesse on purely ideological grounds.

There is a variety of opinion on this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us...d.html?_r=1&hp

[Miroir Noir]

Yeah, my first inclination may be off: I've been seeing a lot of quotes from State Republican officials this afternoon saying that they may not opt into Medicaid expansion, or that budgetary constraints won't allow them to. Don't know how much of this is day-of-the-decision political bluster, but who knows, there may be more than a handful of states that decline to join in the expansion.

[jackstraw94086]

There is a variety of opinion on this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us...d.html?_r=1&hp

Are there enough Senator Lamar Alexander's to constitute a variety?

[Miroir Noir]

Our Governor and State Senate President both came out today and said that they had serious concerns about Medicaid expansion for Utah. I saw a similar statement from Mississippi's officials (who naturally already have the highest per capita Medicaid population in the country).

Tom where do you see the hospitals and medical professional associations coming down on the lobbying for this?

[TomAz]

Well, they will lobby for expansion, because low pay is better than no pay.

[TomAz]

http://politwoops.sunlightfoundation.com/


Buck McKeon ( r )
Breaking: #Obamacare individual mandate ruled unconstitutional. More to come...
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Darrell Issa ( r )
RT @repjustinamash: This is a big win for #liberty & the #Constitution.
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Virginia Foxx ( r )
#UNCONSTITUTIONAL: #SCOTUS overturns #Obamacare's individual insurance #mandate. Developing...
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Dennis Ross ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional. Let Freedom Ring.
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Tom Rooney ( r )
Breaking - #SupremeCourt strikes #individualmandate. Great news for American people, victory for constitution. #Obamacare
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Aaron Schock ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional...still developing....
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[Down Rodeo]

I'm of the opinion that most of the Republican-controlled states will ultimately decline the Medicaid expansion for the simple reason that nothing still riles up the hysterical Tea Party base like "Obamacare". So for any Republican governor or state legislator who wants to stay in office, they'll have to answer to these rabid constituents who will wonder why their elected officials opted to take any part in Obamacare, and while increasing state government spending to boot. That will clearly not go over well, despite the enticement of significant federal funds.

[gaypalmsprings]

In 2018, my insurance premiums will be taxed at 40%. WTF

[jackstraw94086]

make less money

[marooko]

Motivation to work harder and better yourself.

[Footsteps86]

http://politwoops.sunlightfoundation.com/


Buck McKeon ( r )
Breaking: #Obamacare individual mandate ruled unconstitutional. More to come...
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 17 minutes, originally posted via web



Darrell Issa ( r )
RT @repjustinamash: This is a big win for #liberty & the #Constitution.
Darrell Issa
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 9 minutes, originally posted via Mobile Web


Virginia Foxx ( r )
#UNCONSTITUTIONAL: #SCOTUS overturns #Obamacare's individual insurance #mandate. Developing...
Virginia Foxx
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 6 minutes, originally posted via web

Dennis Ross ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional. Let Freedom Ring.
Dennis Ross
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 2 minutes, originally posted via web



Tom Rooney ( r )
Breaking - #SupremeCourt strikes #individualmandate. Great news for American people, victory for constitution. #Obamacare
Tom Rooney
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Aaron Schock ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional...still developing....
Aaron Schock
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[theresalwaysone]

[sonnyboy11]

http://politwoops.sunlightfoundation.com/


Buck McKeon ( r )
Breaking: #Obamacare individual mandate ruled unconstitutional. More to come...
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 17 minutes, originally posted via web



Darrell Issa ( r )
RT @repjustinamash: This is a big win for #liberty & the #Constitution.
Darrell Issa
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 9 minutes, originally posted via Mobile Web


Virginia Foxx ( r )
#UNCONSTITUTIONAL: #SCOTUS overturns #Obamacare's individual insurance #mandate. Developing...
Virginia Foxx
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 6 minutes, originally posted via web

Dennis Ross ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional. Let Freedom Ring.
Dennis Ross
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 2 minutes, originally posted via web



Tom Rooney ( r )
Breaking - #SupremeCourt strikes #individualmandate. Great news for American people, victory for constitution. #Obamacare
Tom Rooney
Deleted about 11 hours ago after 1 minute, originally posted via web


Aaron Schock ( r )
Individual Mandate ruled unconstitutional...still developing....
Aaron Schock
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How embarrassing for them. I don't know most of these others, but I can tell you Darrell Issa is total slime. I wouldn't wipe my ass with that guy.

[guedita]

Issa is the worst. One of my email addresses is on his mailing list for some reason.

[TomAz]

How embarrassing for them. I don't know most of these others, but I can tell you Darrell Issa is total slime. I wouldn't wipe my ass with that guy.

What sort of guys do you usually like to wipe your ass with?

[bmack86]

This was a bit of a legal and rhetorical dance in the Roberts opinion. It was a "penalty" for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act (the ACA never calls the mandate penalties a "tax") and a "tax" for the purposes of determining constitutionality under Congress' taxing power (because the penalties have the effect of operating like a tax, and not a more serious civil or criminal penalty).

I'm on my second reading of the opinion, and it seems like it's a very specific reading of the AIA. Apparently the AIA allows CONGRESS to bar the court from approaching certain taxes by clear use of language. Roberts says in the section concerning the tax that it can be interpreted as one because the court should always interpret a congressional bill in a way that would avoid deeming it unconstitutional, and thus it could be viewed as a tax even though Congress did not list it as a tax, which would have barred interpretation as a result of the AIA.

Interesting stuff.

[schoolofruckus]

What sort of guys do you usually like to wipe your ass with?

Doesn't that joke only work if the quote was "he's not the sort of guy I'd wipe my ass with"? Otherwise there's no inference that he has ever or will ever wipe his ass with a guy.

[TomAz]

"I wouldn't wipe my ass with that guy" implies that there are some guys he would wipe his ass with. Otherwise what's the point of the distinction?

[samiksha]

Tom don't act like a dummy just so your dumb joke will work

[Somewhat Damaged]

Ok, so moving along from ass wiping, Tom, have you seen this? https://www.bcbsri.com/BCBSRIWeb/pdf...Fact_Sheet.pdf

I just noticed the date on it is 4/11/2010; how accurate a representation of the requirements & penalties of PPACA is it today?

I also posed the question on Facebook about how different the health insurance mandate is from the requirement that if you have a car, you need a minimum amount of car insurance. All I've ever known is that you have to have car insurance; do you recall when it was that the requirement was made, and if so, was there a brouhaha over the government forcing people to do something?

Lastly, do you have any idea what the tax that's assessed to those who opt out of having health insurance (and are not exempted from the mandate) will be applied towards? I initially thought that it'd go to medical/insurance companies so that health insurance rates don't increase but now I'm guessing it would go to fund whatever government medical programs are in place. Has there been anything that addresses this that you're aware of?

[TomAz]

Yes that is a good summary of the provisions of the law.

The difference between health insurance mandate and car insurance requirement is that having a car is (theoretically) optional. You are now required to have health insurance just by virtue of existing.

I think the mandate penalty just goes into the general fund, but conceptually, it is one of several new taxes that are intended to be used to fund subsidies and medicaid expansion.

[marooko]

And you're working for no one but me.