Woman Raped at Stagecoach by SECURITY

[guedita]

Can you draft up an MS Paint of what a WANTED poster would look like without a picture?

[PlayaDelWes]

Since ‘the majority of them end up being guilty as charged’, a courtroom drawing depicting the inevitable guilty announcement would be even better.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Maybe a picture of a guy with a judge actually throwing a big book at the guy.

[chairmenmeow47]

i find the idea of posting people's pictures after being taken into custody and before being found guilty odd. but pictures being posted by the media aside, i'm just saying faxy and matt that there is a little bit more info here than your average drive by raping. there are witnesses, the woman interacted with the man before she was attacked and the guy was an employee at a music festival. her making up the story definitely isn't out of the question, but it's far less likely than the high school girl who was alone with her new boyfriend. none of us were there and will never really know "the truth", but the facts aren't really on his side here.

and i'd like to see some statistics on dna proving the rapist innocent years later. there are times where cities don't even have the funding to run tests on their rape kits. not to mention the number of cases that don't get reported (as in my own case) because it's such an uphill battle to get anyone to believe you and you feel guilty about your own choices.

we don't know whether he did it or not, but this story isn't exactly the poster child case for playing defense attorney. especially when you have a few board members in this thread who are sensitive to the subject and who are having emotional reactions to this issue.

[chairmenmeow47]

and sorry to get all serious, it's just extremely frustrating, whether you're the accuser or the accused, to feel like no one believes your story.

[faxman75]

I don't understand what has been said in this thread by me or Matt that was insensitive to anyone who is sensitive to the issue. I mean, I could see all the "you gonna get raped" posts eliciting that response but playing defense attorney is somehow insensitive?

If that's the case I apologize. I wasn't trying to make anyone cry or relive any nightmares that's for sure and I mean that sincerely.

[Gribbz]

i find the idea of posting people's pictures after being taken into custody and before being found guilty odd. but pictures being posted by the media aside, i'm just saying faxy and matt that there is a little bit more info here than your average drive by raping.

Oh, my comment was a response to Loca's... not about this particular case.

I'd like to see some statistics on dna proving the rapist innocent years later. there are times where cities don't even have the funding to run tests on their rape kits. not to mention the number of cases that don't get reported (as in my own case) because it's such an uphill battle to get anyone to believe you and you feel guilty about your own choices.

I'm not sure what kind of statistics you're looking for, but here are just a few examples of DNA exoneration:

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=960&sid=15160024
http://newsone.com/nation/good-news-...ars-in-prison/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10995872...d-after-years/
http://www.trinidadandtobagonews.com/blog/?p=466
http://www.michigansexcrimeattorneys...es-man-af.html

[chairmenmeow47]

I understand where you're coming from... but there's been several documented cases where the victim misidentified their attacker. DNA evidence usually exonerates the suspected rapist several years later.

i wanted evidence for the bolded section. i get that there are documented cases of misidentification, i just don't see this as a "usual" thing.

and faxy, i know you're not trying to be insensitive, i just think it's an odd case to pick to fight.

[Gribbz]

I was in no way suggesting that rape victims are wrong more than they are right in terms of identifying their attacker. I just wanted to counter this claim:

I don't care how dark it is or what the circumstances are, if something like this happens to you, you are not going to forget what they look like. Their face will haunt you till the day you die.

i wanted evidence for the bolded section. i get that there are documented cases of misidentification, i just don't see this as a "usual" thing..

I was suggesting that DNA is usually the factor that exonerates a person from a murder, rape etc.

Not that the victim usually makes a mistake in identifying their attacker.

[faxman75]

Here's an interesting case study by the way.

http://capitaletters.soulfulchemistr...ions-in-us.pdf

Almost all of the exonerations – 97% – grew out of convictions for the two most serious
common crimes of violence:
(1) 199 murder cases (61% of all exonerations), including 73 innocent defendants
who were sentenced to death (22%); and
(2) 120 rape cases (37%).

In 88% of the rape cases the exonerations were based on DNA evidence; 20% of the murder
exonerations involved DNA, almost all of them for homicides that also included a rape.
• The large number of rape exonerations is due to the unique power of DNA to detect false
convictions for rape. False convictions may well be at least as common for other crimes of
violence, especially robbery. If some error-detection technique comparable to DNA existed
for those crimes, exonerations for robbery and other crimes of violence would almost
certainly outnumber those for rape by a large margin.

Almost 90% of the false convictions in the rape exonerations were based in large part on
eyewitness misidentifications. Cross-racial misidentification is a special danger. About 50%
of the exonerated rape defendants are black men who were misidentified by white victims,
but only 10% or less of all rapes involve black perpetrators and white victims. As a result,
black men are greatly over-represented among defendants who are falsely convicted and
exonerated for rape.

[Gribbz]

Am I really coming off as insensitive? I apologize if that is the case.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

Am I really coming off as insensitive? I apologize if that is the case.

Everyone hates your guts now.

[algunz]

I tried to trip him at Coach, but he was too agile.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

I tried to trip him at Coach, but he was too agile.

Dale or the alleged rapist? Both, I believe, are equally deserving of being tripped.

[locachica73]

Am I really coming off as insensitive? I apologize if that is the case.

No, it is just hard for women (especially women who have experienced anything close to an attack like this) to see someone pick the side of the accused even if they haven't been found guilty. I know there are cases where the accused is innocent but there are more cases where the accused has gotten away with a horrible crime due to some technicality or other.

Tell me this, if someone was accused of rape, not convicted, just accused, would you allow your mother/girlfriend/child be alone with that person? Even if things came back as inconclusive would you still hold a slight bit of doubt in the back of your mind?

[algunz]

Dale or the alleged rapist? Both, I believe, are equally deserving of being tripped.

Dale. He deserves a good trip.

[Gribbz]

No, it is just hard for women (especially women who have experienced anything close to an attack like this) to see someone pick the side of the accused even if they haven't been found guilty. I know there are cases where the accused is innocent but there are more cases where the accused has gotten away with a horrible crime due to some technicality or other.

The thing is... I never once referenced the Stagecoach rape. I sure as hell didn't "pick a side."

I was just pointing out that there are instances where, in fact, the victim made a mistake in identifying their attacker.

Dale. He deserves a good trip.

Let's trip together next year, Gunz.

[algunz]

Let's trip together next year, Gunz.

Sounds great to me.

[locachica73]

The thing is... I never once referenced the Stagecoach rape. I sure as hell didn't "pick a side."

I was just pointing out that there are instances where, in fact, the victim made a mistake in identifying their attacker.

pick a side wasn't really what I wanted to say but I am busy clicking between windows and got ahead of myself. I guess defending the defendents of rape cases in general, it is just hard to stomach for some. I know there are cases of women accusing someone out of spite, or being so traumatized that they pick the wrong person, but even if it came back and the man accused was found innocent I would still worry.

[chairmenmeow47]

that makes more sense, dale.

and thanks for those faxman facts one thing i'd point out there is homicides involving rape. in that case, it isn't the attacked person making the misidentification, but the witness.

it would be nice if there was a better way to handle these cases, as there are clear examples on both sides of justice not properly being served.

[chairmenmeow47]

pick a side wasn't really what I wanted to say but I am busy clicking between windows and got ahead of myself. I guess defending the defendents of rape cases in general, it is just hard to stomach for some. I know there are cases of women accusing someone out of spite, or being so traumatized that they pick the wrong person, but even if it came back and the man accused was found innocent I would still worry.

audra, i think this is why people take issue with the mug shot. it's hard to bounce back from something like that if you're innocent.

[malcolmjamalawesome]

homicides involving murder

lulzy

[chairmenmeow47]

THE WORST KIND!

*fixed

[BeeII]

not that this in any mitigates rape,

but the article said she walked to her car BY HERSELF to wait for her friends. umm, wat? how about a little common sense hayseed? it's late. you're walking in a dark parking lot, come on now.

[guedita]

Hmm, here's an idea, go fuck yourself for trying to place blame on a woman for walking around by herself at 9 o clock at night in a public area.

[stinkbutt]

No shit, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[guedita]

Oh, I'm sorry, I realize now that this happened at around 10, not 9. That changes everything.

[Courtney]

Hmm, here's an idea, go fuck yourself for trying to place blame on a woman for walking around by herself at 9 o clock at night in a public area.

QFT. Jesus people.

[guedita]

Would you care to post an itemized list of common sense rape prevention measures women should be taking on a day to day basis, Bee II?

[TomAz]

not that this in any mitigates rape,

but the article said she walked to her car BY HERSELF to wait for her friends. umm, wat? how about a little common sense hayseed? it's late. you're walking in a dark parking lot, come on now.

I bet she was dressed real provocatively too.