The Political Party Poll!

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IMAGINE WHERE OUR COUNTRY WOULD BE WITHOUT GOD

[PrettyRagdoll]

Reading through this thread has been truly frightening. It's no wonder that our country is in such shambles and has such a grim future. I get the feeling that a lot of you are very young and don't understand what it means to be a real American. Just remember that none of you would even be able to enjoy a festival like Coachella if it weren't for large corporations, and not a single one of you would even be alive if it weren't for God. I will say that I did not necessarily like the wording of some of the questions. I wonder how many of you young, confused "liberals" will look back at silly polls like this years from now and say "Wow, what was I thinking?" Probably more of you than you realize.

I feel sorry for you

[PrettyRagdoll]

Because I have a different opinion than everyone else on these boards, or more specifically, you??? Yeah, my "political compass" is the exact opposite of yours so I must be a troll.

You are a troll, because you seem to think you have the authority and the all knowing wisdom to say that we don't know what it means to be real Americans simply because some of us are young. I assure you, the people on this board probably pay more attention to politics than most and despite our differing opinions on things we can recognize how immature it is to say that someone is more or less American simply because their opinion differs from ours.

But if you want to be a real American I guess Coachella will welcome you. As long as you tell Palin and Bachmann that you're only hanging out with us to be closer to all the Joe Six-packs

[dtizzle]

you had me until you said "real american" with a straight face.

Okay, I understand that, but think about what it means. Look at some of these questions.

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

I'm sure most people disagreed with this. Have you ever made a mistake before? If so, did your parents stop supporting you? I will take a guess and say no. This same principle should be applied to our country. Yes, the leaders of the United States have made mistakes over the years, and I'm sure they will continue to do so. We are all entitled to our own opinions and none of us have to support our country. But if you are not going to support our country, then leave. If you don't support our country, then you are not a real American, because it is our duty, as Americans, to support our country, right or wrong.

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree? I'm sure you probably did. Companies must make a profit to survive, but now-a-days, they are also pressured to save the environment, put children through college, and help out small communities as well. Do you know what happens when companies allocate their limited time and resources to these activities as opposed to focusing mainly on delivering a profit? The social responsibilities vanish, because the company does as well. You hippies expect these companies to save the world, but what if they are struggling just like the rest of us? Going green and performing CPR on poor communities isn't free. Think about this.

What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

I truly enjoy hearing people talk about "the evil corporations", but in the same breath complain about how our economy is in the shitter. Make up your mind. You can't have one without the other. These "evil corporations" have been helping this country run for a long, long time. When these corporations are succeeding, our economy is succeeding. More spending, more jobs. When things are going well for corporations, things are going well for the American people. A very basic concept that left-wing hypocrites don't seem to grasp.

We are Americans. We are entrepreneurs, we are innovators. Is it sad that a basic commodity like water is now a billion dollar industry due to it being bottled and sold, or was it a profitable business decision that also made drinking water more convenient for the typical working-class American citizen?

I simply worry that this younger generation has an unrealistic view of how our country works, and what it means to be a real American. And yes, I'm typing this with a straight face.

If you disagree with what the point I'm trying to make, go take that political compass quiz again. Now this time, when you answer the questions, think about if they relate to the real world that we live in, or a fantasy world that doesn't exist.

[TheWatcher]

Reading through this thread has been truly frightening. It's no wonder that our country is in such shambles and has such a grim future. I get the feeling that a lot of you are very young and don't understand what it means to be a real American. Just remember that none of you would even be able to enjoy a festival like Coachella if it weren't for large corporations, and not a single one of you would even be alive if it weren't for God. I will say that I did not necessarily like the wording of some of the questions. I wonder how many of you young, confused "liberals" will look back at silly polls like this years from now and say "Wow, what was I thinking?" Probably more of you than you realize.

Speaking as someone in the tail end of the "baby boomer" generation, I can verify that disagreeing with your opinion is not the sole domain of the younger crowd. I grew up without 7-11 or McDonalds and I can tell you that there are both good and bad things to be said about large corporations, but mostly bad.

What confuses me about your viewpoint is that it's mostly "conservative republicans" who talk about being a "real american" and who appear on the top right of this quiz. However, Republican talking points usually include the view that small businesses are the backbone of our economy. And, personal responsibility seems to be important. But, the faceless corporation creates an atmosphere where nobody takes personal responsibility for their actions.

I think most people would agree that the wording on many of the questions left much to be desired.

That being said, I do agree that obvious troll is obvious.

[scenicworld]

Okay, I understand that, but think about what it means. Look at some of these questions.

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

I'm sure most people disagreed with this. Have you ever made a mistake before? If so, did your parents stop supporting you? I will take a guess and say no. This same principle should be applied to our country. Yes, the leaders of the United States have made mistakes over the years, and I'm sure they will continue to do so. We are all entitled to our own opinions and none of us have to support our country. But if you are not going to support our country, then leave. If you don't support our country, then you are not a real American, because it is our duty, as Americans, to support our country, right or wrong.

You sound fascist. NTTAWWT (oh wait, there is!)

Also, I look forward to hearing about your unfettered support of Obama since you obviously support his every decision.

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree? I'm sure you probably did. Companies must make a profit to survive, but now-a-days, they are also pressured to save the environment, put children through college, and help out small communities as well. Do you know what happens when companies allocate their limited time and resources to these activities as opposed to focusing mainly on delivering a profit? The social responsibilities vanish, because the company does as well. You hippies expect these companies to save the world, but what if they are struggling just like the rest of us? Going green and performing CPR on poor communities isn't free. Think about this.

other social responsibilities for companies are to follow existing laws, including but not limited to pollution and the fair treatment of workers. conservatives are always talking about how they don't want to saddle their grand children with debt, but never care about the future world they will live in.

What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

I truly enjoy hearing people talk about "the evil corporations", but in the same breath complain about how our economy is in the shitter. Make up your mind. You can't have one without the other. These "evil corporations" have been helping this country run for a long, long time. When these corporations are succeeding, our economy is succeeding. More spending, more jobs. When things are going well for corporations, things are going well for the American people. A very basic concept that left-wing hypocrites don't seem to grasp.

We are Americans. We are entrepreneurs, we are innovators. Is it sad that a basic commodity like water is now a billion dollar industry due to it being bottled and sold, or was it a profitable business decision that also made drinking water more convenient for the typical working-class American citizen?

cognitive dissonance is a funny thing, isn't it?

I simply worry that this younger generation has an unrealistic view of how our country works, and what it means to be a real American. And yes, I'm typing this with a straight face.

If you disagree with what the point I'm trying to make, go take that political compass quiz again. Now this time, when you answer the questions, think about if they relate to the real world that we live in, or a fantasy world that doesn't exist.

ok. you first.

signed, fake american.

[frizzlefry]

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.
I'll admit the question has ambiguous wording, what exactly does "country" mean? Well seeing that an entire country and all it's people being wrong seems like a stretch, I took it as the government of a country, which I completely disagreed with. The Real American spirit is actually the very opposite of blindly accepting your government even if it is turning into a tyrannical machine. Our nation was founded on the idea of rebelling against traditional country and government, the Constitution is meant as a way to actually check our government in case it becomes wrong, not for them to rule us. It blatantly states in the Declaration of Independence, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it". EDIT: Here's a little hypothetical I forgot to mention. By this rationale of always supporting your country your saying that the Germans who didn't support the Nazi Party during Germany's Third Reich and tried to actually escape Fascist Germany were actually in the wrong for not supporting their nation at the time and that the Jewish Germans who fled the country were also wrong in not fully supporting getting displaced, beaten, and eventually mass murdered?

I'll just leave this here
"Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it."
— Mark Twain

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

So I guess it's our responsibility to bail these companies out but it's not their responsibility to make sure that OUR money actually goes to keeping us afloat?


What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

And I'm sorry but how is bottled water anymore convenient than simply filling a canteen or less disposable bottle up at the beginning of your day and filling it up throughout your day with water fountains and coolers? People don't do this because they are wasteful and have an unsound phobia of drinking federally regulated water. You very clearly stated that the primary social responsibility of a business should be to its shareholders, not to the people that actually buy its product, the economy that relies on it, or the populace that supplies its employees. By your rationale you are basically saying that if a corporation has two options: (this is hypothetical so please don't pick at the situation and consider it part of your argument, it's meant to display a principle, not a real situation) laying off almost an entire town and making the shareholders a good deal of money, or keeping the town employed but fucking your shareholders out of a butt load of money, the correct answer would be that this corporation should appeal to the shareholders and layoff the dedicated workers.

[TheMadeleine]

I just want to point out that I started this poll, and I was not the person who posted the link to the political compass quiz. The two are not interchangeable so don't hate on my poll when your real problem is with the quiz.

Anyway this board in general is for Coachella enthusiasts. Why are you so shocked/outraged that the average Coachella enthusiast (who, thanks to logistics) is bound to be a Californian, would adhere to liberal ideology?

I don't know if there is a musical festival that caters to the conservative mindset but Coachella is not it.

[psycobetabuckdown]

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.
I'll admit the question has ambiguous wording, what exactly does "country" mean? Well seeing that an entire country and all it's people being wrong seems like a stretch, I took it as the government of a country, which I completely disagreed with. The Real American spirit is actually the very opposite of blindly accepting your government even if it is turning into a tyrannical machine. Our nation was founded on the idea of rebelling against traditional country and government, the Constitution is meant as a way to actually check our government in case it becomes wrong, not for them to rule us. It blatantly states in the Declaration of Independence, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it". EDIT: Here's a little hypothetical I forgot to mention. By this rationale of always supporting your country your saying that the Germans who didn't support the Nazi Party during Germany's Third Reich and tried to actually escape Fascist Germany were actually in the wrong for not supporting their nation at the time and that the Jewish Germans who fled the country were also wrong in not fully supporting getting displaced, beaten, and eventually mass murdered?

I'll just leave this here
"Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it."
— Mark Twain

This, this, and more of this. Defend my neighbors when attacked by a foreign army? Yes. Join the army when my government starts an illegal war in Libya? No thanks. The answer, the solution, is always freedom.

My take on corporations - indeed, Mr. conservative is correct that their only responsibility should be to shareholders. Shareholders and customers, obviously. But pleasing the shareholders depends on pleasing customers, so whatever, weird question.

However, what's good for the successful corporation is not necessarily good for all of us. It's true that what's good for the corporation is benefiting people - providing quality products to people - but there are other things good for corporations that don't benefit people. Such as convincing friends in the government they deserve special protections under the law or even convincing the government to smother competition. That isn't freedom and benefits no one except the government and corporations.

[frizzlefry]

I don't know if there is a musical festival that caters to the conservative mindset but Coachella is not it.

Funny that you don't know seeing that Goldenvoice puts on said festival the weekend after next at the Polo Grounds.

[Cheddar's Cousin]

What's happening on the 9th?

[insbordnat]

[summerkid]

This, this, and more of this. Defend my neighbors when attacked by a foreign army? Yes. Join the army when my government starts an illegal war in Libya? No thanks. The answer, the solution, is always freedom.

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Please, it is not an illegal war because we are using military action as a member of NATO.

Article XI of the Constitution states.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

[psycobetabuckdown]

Please, it is not an illegal war because we are using military action as a member of NATO.

Article XI of the Constitution states.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

Is this a joke? It's a war, and the President cannot go to war without a declaration from Congress. This is the same as Iraq. There is no constitutional authority for signing a treaty with a foreign organization to circumvent Congress' powers.

[scenicworld]

Is this a joke? It's a war, and the President cannot go to war without a declaration from Congress. This is the same as Iraq. There is no constitutional authority for signing a treaty with a foreign organization to circumvent Congress' powers.

NATO was ratified by congress in 1949. the War Powers Act of 1973 also states that a president can commit military forces abroad for up to 60 days* as long as congress is notified within 48 hours.

arguments can be made about whether or not we should be involved in Libya, but the constitutionality argument doesn't necessarily work in this case.

*you can also make the argument that Libya isn't a direct threat to our national interests.

[Cheddar's Cousin]

It's not a war.

It's a kinetic militarry action.

Also known as a Turd sandwich.

What's the constitution have to say about that?

[psycobetabuckdown]

NATO was ratified by congress in 1949. the War Powers Act of 1973 also states that a president can commit military forces abroad for up to 60 days* as long as congress is notified within 48 hours.

arguments can be made about whether or not we should be involved in Libya, but the constitutionality argument doesn't necessarily work in this case.

*you can also make the argument that Libya isn't a direct threat to our national interests.

The War Powers Act is unconstitutional too, but yes, of course Libya isn't a direct threat to our national interests, I think most would agree. Unless building our own vision of the Middle East is a national interest.

Also as Cheddar's cousin alludes to, "kinetic military action" is as much of a joke as "overseas contingency operation" or "enhanced interrogation technique." Always three words, aren't they?

A no-fly zone is an act of war, period. And:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

[summerkid]

Is this a joke? It's a war, and the President cannot go to war without a declaration from Congress. This is the same as Iraq. There is no constitutional authority for signing a treaty with a foreign organization to circumvent Congress' powers.

so the Constitution is unconstitutional now? Interesting.

[scenicworld]

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

except this is about as multilateral as a "war" could be considering it has the support of the Arab League, the UN Security Council and NATO. but other than that, right?

[psycobetabuckdown]

It's multilateral if you're under the assumption NATO and the UN, and especially the Arab League, have any constitutional authority whatsoever to make foreign policy decisions for the United States. They don't. Congress does. That's why the war's illegal. Same reason Iraq is illegal.

If we amended the constitution to read that UN support is sufficient for one man to declare war against a foreign nation, then the war would be legal. The whole point of giving Congress this power is Obama's not supposed to have it. Checks and balances, yes?

[scenicworld]

It's multilateral if you're under the assumption NATO and the UN, and especially the Arab League, have any constitutional authority whatsoever to make foreign policy decisions for the United States. They don't. Congress does. That's why the war's illegal. Same reason Iraq is illegal.

I can see we're not getting anywhere here... multilateral action has nothing to do with something being legal/constitutional or not.

article IX of the constitution, the War Powers Act, UN Resolutions (which we entered into with full faith) NATO commitments (again, in good faith) all of which had Congressional approvals and Judicial oversights and you keep harping on the war being unconstitutional/illegal. Then you go on to use an Obama quote that clearly doesn't apply to the Libyan situation since we didn't go against the UN and tell the rest of the world that they're either with us or against us and instead of unilateral action, we used multilateral action that has the support of just about everyone in the world that isn't named Ghadaffi, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich or psycobetabuckdown ...

anways, this thread isn't about the Libyan situation.

[amyzzz]

[psycobetabuckdown]

I can see we're not getting anywhere here... multilateral action has nothing to do with something being legal/constitutional or not.

article IX of the constitution, the War Powers Act, UN Resolutions (which we entered into with full faith) NATO commitments (again, in good faith) all of which had Congressional approvals and Judicial oversights and you keep harping on the war being unconstitutional/illegal. Then you go on to use an Obama quote that clearly doesn't apply to the Libyan situation since we didn't go against the UN and tell the rest of the world that they're either with us or against us and instead of unilateral action, we used multilateral action that has the support of just about everyone in the world that isn't named Ghadaffi, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich or psycobetabuckdown ...

anways, this thread isn't about the Libyan situation.

Ok, if unilateral vs. multilateral isn't a constitutional issue then I would refer you back to Obama's quote where he says it is. It's always a constitutional issue, because that's how U.S. law works. Supreme Law means fuck the War Powers Act and our NATO commitments. I understand that international commitments aren't always bad, but they are if it means wasting our resources fighting three wars to nation-build in the middle east.

[AnIMASTIcuS]

Ha... Interesting

[bdb23]

Okay, I understand that, but think about what it means. Look at some of these questions.

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

I'm sure most people disagreed with this. Have you ever made a mistake before? If so, did your parents stop supporting you? I will take a guess and say no. This same principle should be applied to our country. Yes, the leaders of the United States have made mistakes over the years, and I'm sure they will continue to do so. We are all entitled to our own opinions and none of us have to support our country. But if you are not going to support our country, then leave. If you don't support our country, then you are not a real American, because it is our duty, as Americans, to support our country, right or wrong.

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree? I'm sure you probably did. Companies must make a profit to survive, but now-a-days, they are also pressured to save the environment, put children through college, and help out small communities as well. Do you know what happens when companies allocate their limited time and resources to these activities as opposed to focusing mainly on delivering a profit? The social responsibilities vanish, because the company does as well. You hippies expect these companies to save the world, but what if they are struggling just like the rest of us? Going green and performing CPR on poor communities isn't free. Think about this.

What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

I truly enjoy hearing people talk about "the evil corporations", but in the same breath complain about how our economy is in the shitter. Make up your mind. You can't have one without the other. These "evil corporations" have been helping this country run for a long, long time. When these corporations are succeeding, our economy is succeeding. More spending, more jobs. When things are going well for corporations, things are going well for the American people. A very basic concept that left-wing hypocrites don't seem to grasp.

We are Americans. We are entrepreneurs, we are innovators. Is it sad that a basic commodity like water is now a billion dollar industry due to it being bottled and sold, or was it a profitable business decision that also made drinking water more convenient for the typical working-class American citizen?

I simply worry that this younger generation has an unrealistic view of how our country works, and what it means to be a real American. And yes, I'm typing this with a straight face.

If you disagree with what the point I'm trying to make, go take that political compass quiz again. Now this time, when you answer the questions, think about if they relate to the real world that we live in, or a fantasy world that doesn't exist.

Shut the fuck up.

Thanks,

-Everyone.

[Sleepingrock]

Lets see how you guys do in Canadian political parties!

http://federal.votecompass.ca/

[psycobetabuckdown]

That was fun. I skipped all the questions about leaders. Didn't know what to do about religious minorities, Quebec, and immigration questions, so I just guessed what the current situation is in Canada.

[bmalkins]

Speaking of Politics I'm a card carrying NDP member. ( Social Democrat )

For our American friends I thought I'd list out Canadian 5 Major parties (one with at least one elected member) on a political spectrum for you reference an enjoyment.


Center right
The Conservative Party (The party that recently gave Canada mandatory minimum sentences and is the current government)

Center slightly left
The Liberal Party (The Party that Balanced Canada's budget in the 90's & early 2000's, legalized gay marriage)

Center farther left
The New Democratic Party (the party that came up with Canada's free healthcare and is currently the official opposition(meaning the second biggest party in parliament) )

Center left separatist
The Bloc Quebecois (the party that wants Quebec to separate)

Left
The Green Party (Got one member elected for the first time last year)

[romanticizer]

Okay, I understand that, but think about what it means. Look at some of these questions.

I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

I'm sure most people disagreed with this. Have you ever made a mistake before? If so, did your parents stop supporting you? I will take a guess and say no. This same principle should be applied to our country. Yes, the leaders of the United States have made mistakes over the years, and I'm sure they will continue to do so. We are all entitled to our own opinions and none of us have to support our country. But if you are not going to support our country, then leave. If you don't support our country, then you are not a real American, because it is our duty, as Americans, to support our country, right or wrong.

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

Disagree? I'm sure you probably did. Companies must make a profit to survive, but now-a-days, they are also pressured to save the environment, put children through college, and help out small communities as well. Do you know what happens when companies allocate their limited time and resources to these activities as opposed to focusing mainly on delivering a profit? The social responsibilities vanish, because the company does as well. You hippies expect these companies to save the world, but what if they are struggling just like the rest of us? Going green and performing CPR on poor communities isn't free. Think about this.

What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us.

I truly enjoy hearing people talk about "the evil corporations", but in the same breath complain about how our economy is in the shitter. Make up your mind. You can't have one without the other. These "evil corporations" have been helping this country run for a long, long time. When these corporations are succeeding, our economy is succeeding. More spending, more jobs. When things are going well for corporations, things are going well for the American people. A very basic concept that left-wing hypocrites don't seem to grasp.

We are Americans. We are entrepreneurs, we are innovators. Is it sad that a basic commodity like water is now a billion dollar industry due to it being bottled and sold, or was it a profitable business decision that also made drinking water more convenient for the typical working-class American citizen?

I simply worry that this younger generation has an unrealistic view of how our country works, and what it means to be a real American. And yes, I'm typing this with a straight face.

If you disagree with what the point I'm trying to make, go take that political compass quiz again. Now this time, when you answer the questions, think about if they relate to the real world that we live in, or a fantasy world that doesn't exist.

[darkmoon66]