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    It's the one genre that a few years ago I knew the least about, but recently have been the most amazed by and obsessed with.

    I was at a record store today and saw a book that discussed several bands of the genre in detail. I don't usually like books like that, because it often seems that the author gets it wrong, but I did take down the names of the bands that it covers.

    Just hoping to get some dialogue going in regards to the genre, there doesn't seem to be a specific thread about it yet, so why not?

    Below are the bands the book lists (in bold are the ones that I have at minimum a basic familiarity with). It appears I actually have downloaded albums of several of the other bands, but for the most part haven't gotten around to listening to them. Any suggestions as to particular bands/albums to look into are welcome and appreciated.

    Agitation Free
    Amon Düül
    Amon Düül II
    Anima
    Ash Ra Tempel
    Between
    Can
    Cluster
    Cosmic Jokers
    Embryo
    Et Cetera/Wolfgang Dauner
    Faust
    Floh de Cologne
    Gila
    Sergius Golowin
    Guru Guru
    Harmonia
    Kraftwerk
    La Düsseldorf
    Limbus
    Nektar
    Neu!
    Popol Vuh
    Achim Reichel
    Conrad Schnitzler
    Klaus Schulze
    Xhol Caravan
    Uli Trepte
    Tangerine Dream
    Walter Wegmüller
    Witthüser & Westrupp
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    Was the book written by Julian Cope? Krautrocksampler?

    From that list I'm familiar with:
    Amon Düül II (the original Amon Duul was a commune where a bunch of people recorded together. Amon Duul II was a great psychedelic rock Kraut group. Phallus Dei and Yeti are both really interesting and cool albums with long jams, and Tanz der Lemming is one of the best Krautrock records you'll hear.)

    Ash Ra Tempel (The brainchild of the inimitable Manuel Gottsching, one of the most economic and beautiful guitar players ever. Schwingungen is my favorite Ash Ra album, but if you are interested in checking out where the more Komische-esque side of Krautrock would go in the 80s, get E2-E4 by Gottsching and listen to it on an overcast, rainy day. You'll thank me)

    Can (Duh)

    Cluster (Rodelius and Moebius are also 2/3 of Harmonia, so they're pretty much Krautrock mainstays. They do stuff that is more spare than Kraftwerk to me, but more warm than Can. Zuckerzeit is their best work.)

    Faust (The 70s version of the group, which is who I know about the most, was one of the most fucked groups to have ever been on a large label. Like Boredoms, they took the funding of a label and used that money to explore whatever crazy idea they had. The first four albums are all absolutely essential and completely different, so get to listening, I guess. Also, they had great album design for their stuff, so it's worth checking out physical copies.)

    Guru Guru

    Harmonia (Cluster plus Michael Rother, the guitar god from NEU!. it sounds like a grand collision of the two groups, and they put out three very good records, all worth hearing.)

    Kraftwerk (Duh, except their first three albums are really interesting motorik releases that aren't all good but that all have fantastic moments. The first album has one of their best songs, Ruckzuck, which definitely bears the mark of the recently departed Rother and Dinger, who left Kraftwerk to form NEU!)

    La Düsseldorf (Klaus Dinger's post-NEU! group. Neither of their first two albums are as good as NEU!'s stuff or Rother's solo works, but they're nevertheless fascinating pop-krautrock releases that are worth checking out.)

    Neu! (Golden gods. Michael Rother's solo albums are very much worth listening to as well: it takes his guitar playing and extends the space, allowing for him to get really psychedelic and out there-Flammende Herzen is my favorite, but Katzenmusic is inspired and has Jaki Liebezeit from Can on drums.)

    Popol Vuh (They're early purveyors of ambient electronic sounds in psychedelic music. Hossiana Mantra is a peculiar and haunting record, and In der Garten Pharaos is a huge piece of work, filled with stuff that would later be called New Age, but put to much better effect by these guys.)



    I know some of the others, but not nearly as intimately as these groups.
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    I'm totally checking out that Gomorrha album now. Hilarious art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmack86 View Post
    Was the book written by Julian Cope? Krautrocksampler?
    No, it was this:



    I didn't even think about buying it, it looked mega-cheesy.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    I finally made it through a listen of Sun Kil Moon - Benji and had put it on maybe 4 times til I could finally feel mentally like, "just fuck it just let this guy blabber on" while I'm doing paperwork .
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    Let's face it.... America's greatest contribution to Krautrock is Trans Am!
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    The thread title is all I've ever wanted to hear on a first date. Never happened. Probably because I've never dated James Murphy.
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    Agitation Free - Good psych rock type stuff. Check out Second.

    Amon Düül - Not as good as II, but still fun hippie collective jammy stuff

    Amon Düül II - Proggy, jammy, and totally fried. probably one of the easier bands to get into if you're unfamiliar with krautrock

    Anima - Have an album but don't know what it sounds like.

    Ash Ra Tempel - Their early stuff is fried out feedback laden 10+ minute jam stuff that's the cream of the crop for that kind of thing. When they became Ashra, it was mostly Manuel Gottsching and was a predecessor to a lot of new age and trancey electronic stuff, but not as lame as that sounds.

    Between - no idea

    Can - no idea

    Cluster - Started out doing sound collage type stuff as Kluster with Conrad Schnitzler in the band, then became one of the premier space synth groups, then created some top notch instrumental electronic pop.
    Cosmic Jokers - Not an actual band, but a controversial exploitation of recored jam sessions by some of krautrock's top players by some record producer. I never really got too into them, but they have a reputation for being really good despite everyone involved completely hating the whole ordeal.

    Embryo - I don't really listen to them often. I think they're your run of the mill prog/psych/jam/jazz group though.

    Et Cetera/Wolfgang Dauner - Another one I'm not super familiar with but is kind of proggy/jazzy.

    Faust - I put them in my top 10 bands of all time list.

    Floh de Cologne - No idea.

    Gila - Not too familiar, but feedback jammy guitar type stuff.

    Sergius Golowin - Not too familiar, but it sounds like folky jam stuff.

    Guru Guru - UFO is a really good acid fried guitar jam album.

    Harmonia - Neu! + Cluster = bliss. Both of their albums are my go to come down, chill out, feel serene albums. Great driving rhythms and gorgeous synth melodies.

    Kraftwerk

    THE MAN
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    La Düsseldorf - Post-Neu! Similar but a little more poppy.

    Limbus - Not too familiar, but listening through they sound like sound collage and improvisation type stuff.

    Nektar - Jammy psych type shit.

    Neu! - Motorik. Neu! perfected the fundamental pulse of modern music. They also knew how to turn half an album into a full one with tape manipulation. You should be thankful for Neu!

    Popol Vuh - These dudes could be pretty New Age-y. Werner Herzog used them pretty famously as a soundtrack for some of his films.

    Achim Reichel - No idea.

    Conrad Schnitzler - Started off in Kluster/Cluster before beginning a very prolific solo career. He made some of the more challenging electronic soundscapes of the krautrock era.

    Klaus Schulze - Did time in Ash Ra Tempel and Tangerine Dream before perfecting the kind of spacey, drifting, bliss/freak out electronic textures often associated with the 70s and krautrock.

    Xhol Caravan - Jazzy, proggy.

    Uli Trepte - No idea.

    Tangerine Dream - They've been responsible for a lot of cheese, but their early albums are full of incredible space/synth soundscapes. Phaedra is a stone cold classic of the genre. Everything from 1970-1975 is worth hearing.

    Walter Wegmüller - He's mostly known for the album Tarot. I'm not really familiar but it's well regarded.

    Witthüser & Westrupp - This shit is folky and kind of really cheesy. Not recommended.
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    Wow, awesome Patrick. lol @ the no idea for Can though.
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    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
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    You should also check out an album called Golem by a band called Sand. It sounds like it was recorded by evil forest sprites.

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    Nice, I'm on it.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    Re:sources:

    http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ultimathu...utrockers.html

    Just a basic encyclopedia of krautrock. Simple and to the point.

    http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/albumofthemonth/

    Julian Cope's website isn't strictly krautrock, but a lot of his albums of the month are closely related to the general krautrock sound and vibe. Once you get over Cope's obnoxious, incomprehensible rocker writing style, there's a boon of information and recommendations for all manner of outsider musics.
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    And seriously, beause I didn't just write this for my wrist health, please listen to E2-E4, because it's one of the best Kraut-related pieces of music of all time. Listen and marvel or beware, because it's incredible music.
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    E2-E4 is as important to electronic music as Bo Diddley is to rock & roll. It's inextricably tied into its DNA. Just ask Carl Craig or LCD Soundsytem.

    How IS your wrist health, Bryan?
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    Listening to E2-E4 right now.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    Jesus. I had no idea krautrock extended into the electronic forum so much. That was fantastic, and nothing at all like anything else I've listened to of the sort.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    E2-E4 is as important to electronic music as Bo Diddley is to rock & roll. It's inextricably tied into its DNA. Just ask Carl Craig or LCD Soundsytem.

    How IS your wrist health, Bryan?
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    Just listened to Ash Ra Tempel's self-titled debut. Completely and utterly fantastic.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    If you don't mind some disco in your krautrock (and really, why should you?), Prins Thomas' II from last year has some great motorik grooves.
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    Listening to this for the first time:

    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    Krautrock classic remixed by contemporary electronic master.

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    So today I had what was probably the most satisfying listening day I've ever had. I had the day off from work, and it was foggy and cold out so I decided to just sit around and drink coffee and listen to music of this genre all day. I listened to the following:

    Can - Tago Mago
    Can - Ege Bamyasi
    Can - Monster Movie
    Faust - Faust
    Faust - Faust IV
    Neu! - Neu! 2
    Kraftwerk - Trans-Europe Express
    Kraftwerk - Autobahn

    All but the last three I had listened to before, but there's so much to be gained from multiple listens of all of those albums it's not even funny. Now excuse me while I go get a breath of fresh air.
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    Holy cow. Listening to Neu! radio on last.fm and it picked the song Immer lustig by Guru Guru, fucking mind-blowingly good.
    9/26 - William Basinski - Pasadena Arts Council
    9/28 - Bob Mould - Roxy (?)
    10/01 - King Crimson - Orpheum
    10/10 - Thurston Moore/Sebadoh - Echoplex (?)
    10/11 - BADBADNOTGOOD - Echoplex (?)


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    These are from a Wax museum in the Tokyo Tower, they have a section dedicated to Krautrock & Berlin School




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    oh and anyone get the new Popol Vuh compilation with the remixes? Some of them are pretty good.


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    Holy cow. Listening to Neu! radio on last.fm and it picked the song Immer lustig by Guru Guru, fucking mind-blowingly good.
    The Guru Guru album is crazy. It's more freakout psych than krautrock, but it definitely grooves. Allmusic recommended them back in the day and that record blew my mind.

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