The Gays* Only Thread

[MissingPerson]

It's kind of gone out of fashion here too, to be fair, but it's still weird to me.

[TomAz]

"crooked"
"twisted"
"deceitful"

[amyzzz]

Tom has it.

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

Speaking of - both that and PC terminology - I've always been a bit weirded out at how comfortable everybody is with the word "straight" in the first place. The alternative, "bent" is pretty derogatory and schoolyard, no?

"Straight" can generally be known for meaning "normal," "ordinary," or "inconspicuous," as in the phrase, "Let's keep it straight." I think the use of it in conjunction to homosexuality has more to do with that than it does as the opposite of "bent" (although that certainly would have been the basis as the "irregular" for that meaning). I assume this was an appropriation in the same way that the original meaning of "gay" was something along the lines of "joyous and carefree" and thus was applied to homosexuals in a very superficial way.

I am of course writing this with no research whatsoever.

[MissingPerson]

The suggestion either way is of deviation and defect though, seems like?

[RageAgainstTheAoki]

I don't see why falling for a straight guy is mystifying in the least. You fall for someone because of who they are and what they look like and all that shit, not their orientation. And since 90% of guys are straight, there's a pretty good chance you're going to attracted to/smitten with a straight guy from time to time.

Missed this.^ Yeah, I obviously wasn't being very clear there. What I meant was that I didn't understand continuing to pine after a guy after you've found out he's straight. I've met some charmers with whom I thought I was flirting only to find out they were inordinately flirtatious straight dudes. It might be disappointing, but as soon as I found out, I'm instantly turned off.



As for the term "straight", apparently, you can actually blame the gays...

STRAIGHT (Slang):
The term "straight" originated as a mid-20th century gay slang term for heterosexuals, ultimately coming from the phrase "to go straight" (as in "straight and narrow"), or stop engaging in homosexual sex. One of the first uses of the word in this way was in 1941 by author G. W. Henry.[16] Henry's book concerned conversations with homosexual males and used this term in connection with the reference to ex-gays. It currently simply is a colloquial term for "heterosexual" having, like many words, changed in primary meaning over time.

(from Wikipedia, of course)

[HunterGather]

So the Janet Jackson show last night was rly good.
5th row, center. Perfect seat. I could see everyones sweat and makeup (the guy dancers sure do have a lot on).

The only thing that really irked me was there 4 were interludes where she went off stage, and she came back with the same outfit.
I never thought I'd care, but she could have changed her outfits.
And it appeared she sang 3/4th's of the show live, which was neat.

[nyarlathotoats]

Where was this at?

[HunterGather]

Florida

[RageAgainstTheAoki]

Well, that's disappointing. I don't feel so bad about missing her LA stop. Heard similar things. I'm thinking it's 5 years tops before we see her playing the Indian casino circuit.

[HunterGather]

What part of my mini review did you walk away with the feeling of disappointment?

[RageAgainstTheAoki]

The lack of spectacle. Heard the same thing in LA. I know she can't fill stadiums anymore, but low key is not how I'd want a Janet show.

[nyarlathotoats]

I wouldn't mind seeing her. She played in az @ the dodge which is 5000 max. Still seems like a good amount of peeps.

[HunterGather]

I don't think she ever played stadiums. Arenas, yes.
Her last tour in 08 was moderately successful. She filled arenas in bigger cities, but yes. She played it safe.
It's not as if she's playing night clubs. She played Radio City Music Hall 3 times this tour, for instance.
Anyhow, I found out that in the earlier part of this tour, she did change outfits between sets, but for whatever reason kept it to one outfit after the first leg.

I would love to see a bigger show, but it was fun to be THAT close.

[JorgeC]

I'm in New York Thursday-Sunday. Going to Yelle Thursday in Manhattan (Webster Hall) and Friday in Brooklyn (Music Hall of Williamsburg). Probably going to The Cock on Thursday after the show, but i don't know of any gay spots in Williamsburg for Friday. Any suggestions?

[Stickjohn]

Secretary of State Clinton, just over four minutes into her speech at UN yesterday. The topic of her address was not known in advance.

Today, I want to talk about the work we have left to do to protect one group of people whose human rights are still denied in too many parts of the world today. In many ways, they are an invisible minority. They are arrested, beaten, terrorized, even executed. Many are treated with contempt and violence by their fellow citizens while authorities empowered to protect them look the other way or, too often, even join in the abuse. They are denied opportunities to work and learn, driven from their homes and countries, and forced to suppress or deny who they are to protect themselves from harm."

I am talking about gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people, human beings born free and given bestowed equality and dignity, who have a right to claim that, which is now one of the remaining human rights challenges of our time. I speak about this subject knowing that my own country's record on human rights for gay people is far from perfect. Until 2003, it was still a crime in parts of our country. Many LGBT Americans have endured violence and harassment in their own lives, and for some, including many young people, bullying and exclusion are daily experiences. So we, like all nations, have more work to do to protect human rights at home.

HuffPost has video and full transcript of the speech. It's worth a read. Coupled with Obama's speech in Kansas (the broken bargain) it was quite a day for speeches.

[nyarlathotoats]

Wow.

[caeden]

i want to know if hunter remembers what the setlist was for janet. haven't seen her, but would LOVE to

[HunterGather]

*Music video intro*

The Pleasure Principle
Control
What Have You Done For Me Lately
Feedback
You Want This
Alright
Miss You Much
Nasty

*acting montage interlude*

Nothing
Come Back To Me
Let's Wait Awhile
Again

*interlude*

Escapade
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
When I Think Of You
That's the Way Love Goes

*band interlude*

If
Scream
Rhythm Nation

ENCORE:
Together Again
All For You

A lot of the songs were medleys. I normally loathe medleys, but it kind of worked in this show.
The band interlude was the band and back up singers doing bits of various Janet songs.

[caeden]

i think 'if' might be my favorite song by her

[nyarlathotoats]

'If' is bomb; personally that setlist needs a little more velvet rope. I remember watching the live from Madison Square Garden broadcast on HBO & being in awe of her.

[HunterGather]

Hah, someone at the end of the show before the encore screamed VELVET ROOOOPE!!

The band did a little rendition of WHAT ABOUT and ROPE BURN during their interlude, as well as WHAT'S IT GONNA BE, the Busta/Janet song.

[edbangme]

I'm in New York Thursday-Sunday. Going to Yelle Thursday in Manhattan (Webster Hall) and Friday in Brooklyn (Music Hall of Williamsburg). Probably going to The Cock on Thursday after the show, but i don't know of any gay spots in Williamsburg for Friday. Any suggestions?

I just saw Yelle last week in Orlando, she was great! If house de racket is opening definitely check them out!

[sbessiso]

Im all about miss you much and .......

CONTROOL

[I'dDoItAllAgain]

I didn't know the gays loved Janet so much. I guess I was never interested in her aside from "All for you".

[Drinkey McDrinkerstein]

The gays are certainly the only people interested in her now.

[nyarlathotoats]

Is it an unwritten rule that when Gaga is played in a gay club, everyone is expected to go apeshit?

[gaypalmsprings]

Josh Kloss

[sbessiso]

so smoooooooooth

[RageAgainstTheAoki]

First new ep is scheduled for January on BBC America....