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    12 Republicans have said that they're ready to pass a bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4024755.html) so hopefully this ends soon because it is fucking absurd.

    This whole thing is just posturing/grandstanding for the election season, really, right? Like, if the ACA doesn't do well (and they hope it doesn't), they can say "we warned you?"

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    if they want to make the ACA look bad, they should keep the government shut down. healthcare.gov goes in a circle and there's no one to answer live chat questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guedita View Post
    12 Republicans have said that they're ready to pass a bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4024755.html) so hopefully this ends soon because it is fucking absurd.

    This whole thing is just posturing/grandstanding for the election season, really, right? Like, if the ACA doesn't do well (and they hope it doesn't), they can say "we warned you?"
    That's the way it seems to me. Seems foolish anyhow.

    Can Mitch or Tom or Bryan or anyone else please explain to us what exactly the heck is going on here?

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    I can't. It all just gives me a headache.
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    Remember Hitler? I don't but here we are again .. cr****

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    from what I can tell, over the last four years, the republican party has learned that they can cook up a fake crisis, blackmail Obama, and gut social programs. this is the first time he's standing up to them.
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    They're so fucking childish.
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    If they are so sure that it would fail, whay wouldn't they just let it? They are scared of it being successful more than anything. I kinda feel bad for how bad these clowns shot themselves in the foot come next election. Some of these jerkoffs have even said they don't even care if they do get re-elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkbutt View Post
    They are scared of it being successful more than anything.
    yep.
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    If you want to understand why this is happening -- the personalities and motives that are running the Republican Party right now -- read this:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...refid=MostRead
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    This is terrible.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...-today/280174/

    At the National Institutes of Health, nearly three-quarters of the staff was furloughed. One result: director Francis Collins said about 200 patients who otherwise would be admitted to the NIH Clinical Center into clinical trials each week will be turned away. This includes about 30 children, most of them cancer patients, he said.

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    I just heard Dick Durbin use that stat/story in a quick interview on MSNBC with Chuck Todd this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faxman75 View Post
    I just heard WW2 vets tore down the fences to the WW2 Memorial in DC to open it up to the public.
    Michella Bachman was there to help, and get her picture taken.
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    So no Black Knight football this weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faxman75 View Post
    Someone told me last night, "You know, I had government assistance once when I didn't have work. Then when I got a job, I was so thankful for it. I'd be fine if I was furloughed for a day -- it's just one work day! I don't see the big deal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkbutt View Post
    Michella Bachman was there to help, and get her picture taken.
    Just read the small article on the citypages website. Funny, but it bothered me when they said they rather see her get dragged away even if it means a couple ww2 vets get turned away rather than he keep her word that "I will make sure this park stays open"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neighborhood Creep View Post
    Just read the small article on the citypages website. Funny, but it bothered me when they said they rather see her get dragged away even if it means a couple ww2 vets get turned away rather than he keep her word that "I will make sure this park stays open"
    From what I heard on a number of sites and TV is, even the people who are furloughed will get back pay once the gov't starts again. If they have the 3x's bills in saving, then it would be just like a paid vacation. One congressman said it was in the Constitution that they would be. WTF, in the Constitution ..... r****
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    How could that possibly be in the Constitution? haha
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    Because fucking millenials that's what

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    No, there is no guarantee that they'll get back pay. In the past they have, but Congress would have to pass a special bill authorizing it

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    My fellow Americans, I am speaking to you tonight to let you know the steps I have taken to ensure that America lives up to its obligations during the current political crisis. As you know, the continuing recession and the pressures of running two wars have made it necessary for the government to borrow money on the world market in order to meet our commitments at home and abroad, see to it that our armed forces receive their pay and equipment, and fulfill our obligations to the retired, the unemployed, and those in need of medical care.

    Unfortunately, Congress has not passed an increase in the statutory debt limit as the deadline approaches. Members of the House majority have informed me that they will not agree to an increase in the debt limit without imposing restrictions on the government budget that will threaten our nation's recovery, imperil the national defense, and cause widespread suffering. I have offered to negotiate in good faith, as I did during the budget crisis, but they have shown no interest in real negotiations.

    As of midnight tonight, the government's statutory borrowing authority will be exhausted. If no measures are taken, the government must either default on its bonded indebtedness or on its obligations to seniors on Social Security, to unemployed workers dependent on federal insurance payments, and to American service personnel serving in areas of armed conflict.

    For this reason, I have ordered that Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner immediately begin issuing binding debt instruments on the world market sufficient to cover all the current obligations of the United States government, even in default of Congressional action to meet those obligations.

    I take this action to fulfill the oath I took as president of the United States. The Constitution explicitly requires me, under my duty to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed," to meet and pay all debts of the United States.

    This requirement is absolute. It is contained in Section Four of the Fourteenth Amendment, which directs, in no uncertain terms, that "the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

    This provision makes clear that both the monies our nation owes to bondholders, and the sums promised in legislation to those receiving pensions set by law from the federal government, must be paid regardless of the political whims of the current congressional majority. All obligations that the nation has undertaken by drawing on its credit must at all times be rendered current.

    As a former professor of constitutional law, I want to explain to you the origin of Section Four. After the Civil War, political leaders in the defeated South announced their intention of resuming their seats in Congress and of using their power--augmented by increased Congressional representation for the freed slaves--to compel the federal government either to pay off all debts of the Confederacy or to default on the national debt which had been borrowed to finance the Union war effort. They also intended to present to the nation a huge bill for what they claimed was the value of the slaves that had been freed by the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment.

    For this reason, the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment wrote into our fundamental law an absolute prohibition against defaulting on the national debt. Its language establishes a complete firewall against the misuse of governmental power by one political faction to get its way by wrecking the public credit. Only one other provision of the Constitution--the Thirteenth Amendment's categorical prohibition on slavery--is as rigid as the language of Section Four. That language is not binding only on Congress, but on all parts of the government, including the executive branch.

    For nearly a century and a half, the absolute language of the Fourteenth Amendment was not even questioned. I regret to say, however, that today our nation faces exactly the threat Section Four was designed to guard against. A vocal and determined political minority--what our great Founder James Madison would have called a "faction"--is determined to use its dominance in one House of Congress as a weapon to circumvent the democratic process. It wants to find a back-door way to undo programs and policies that have been democratically enacted over a 75-year period. It wants to impose a narrow vision of government and America that has been rejected by our people repeatedly over the same period.

    This determined minority is now prepared to defy the Constitution to get its way. Some of its voices have begun to say that national default would be welcome, even if it wrecks our international credit and leads the U.S. to default not only on its bonded obligations but on the debts due to its armed forces in the field--debts that are even more sacred than "pensions and bounties for services" already performed by veterans in previous wars. Indeed, I am convinced that the only reason why the framers of Section Four did not explicitly include "payments to military personnel in the field during congressionally authorized military action" is that it was literally unthinkable even to the most hardened partisans among them that any faction within the United States Congress would countenance cutting off payments to those who carry our flag in foreign nations under hostile fire.

    Some may ask why I do not simply use my executive authority to juggle accounts and cook the federal books in order to pay the most pressing obligations while I implore this determined minority to honor their oaths to uphold the Constitution. I do not have the luxury of partial or halfhearted compliance with the absolute command of our nation's fundamental law. Section Four does not say that the national debt "shall be paid sooner or later," or "shall be stretched out as long as possible," or "shall be paid in some areas but not in others." It also does not say "shall not be questioned unless Congress really wants to."

    It says it "shall not be questioned." The national debt must be paid in full, on time, regardless of any political division within our Congress. That is what the Framers intended: to set the debt obligations of our country beyond the reach of Congressional meddling. Those obligations will not be questioned as long as I am president of the United States.

    This action requires me to authorize borrowing that is not in conformity with the debt-limit statute. But no congressional statute can command or permit our government to violate the Constitution. I find the debt limit, to the extent that it could be construed to require national default on any obligation of our nation, to be in the words of the great chief justice John Marshall, repugnant to the Constitution and thus void.

    I regret that the intransigence of a small minority of members of Congress have forced our nation into this situation. I know that some of these same political leaders will now charge me with violating the Constitution -- the same Constitution that they apparently have no desire either to read or to follow. If they truly believe this to be true, I challenge them to bring Articles of Impeachment against me. The charge should be that I did what was necessary to support our troops in the field, to bolster our public credit, and to prevent destitution and despair among American families. I welcome that debate.

    But as long as I remain president, the national debt of the United States shall not be questioned. That is my pledge to you, to the world, and to the memory of the brave men and women who gave the last full measure of devotion to rescue the United States from forces who long ago sought its destruction.

    Good night. And God bless America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceyHotshot View Post
    No, there is no guarantee that they'll get back pay. In the past they have, but Congress would have to pass a special bill authorizing it
    Yea you are right. I did look it up. When he said that, he was referring to the fucked up elected officials. cr**

    Members of Congress will have no such dilemma about the future of their own finances this week because the 27th Amendment to the Constitution specifically stipulates that the salaries of the House and Senate cannot change until a congressional election has come and gone. Members of both chambers currently make $174,000.

    The 27th Amendment was originally hatched by the Founding Fathers and ratified in 1992 to prevent senators and House members from boosting their own salaries before an election. But the reality is that Congress is now the only class explicitly protected by the Constitution from financial pain in the event that they themselves fail to fund regular government operations. Even their own congressional staff members will be furloughed or go to work on Capitol Hill without the promise of getting paid once the dust settles.
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    I'd love to see Obama invoke the Fourteenth Amendment option. I would then love to see the Republicans file suit asking the Courts to force Obama to default on the debt, followed/accompanied by the Republicans impeaching Obama for not defaulting on the debt.
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    Really, that's why Obama won't take the Fourteenth Amendment option seriously: he doesn't want to spend the final two years of his presidency in an impeachment battle.
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    28 minutes to see if either side give a fuck about us common people ... cr****
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miroir Noir View Post
    Really, that's why Obama won't take the Fourteenth Amendment option seriously: he doesn't want to spend the final two years of his presidency in an impeachment battle.
    That's only one reason, and probably not the main one. I think the main one is: Would people even buy bonds that were legally questionable?
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    It's not "either side". This is can be squarely laid at the feet of the extreme members of the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
    28 minutes to see if either side give a fuck about us common people ... cr****
    Yeah, I just read they reached a verdict in Jackson v AEG Live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miscorrections View Post
    It's not "either side". This is can be squarely laid at the feet of the extreme members of the GOP.
    Correct. Enough of this "down the line" "compromise needed" bullshit rhetoric.

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    WE ARE RESOLUTELY OPPOSED TO REPUBLICAN INTRANSIGENCE
    Quote Originally Posted by efrain44 View Post
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    Krugman thinks at this point the Republicans will force default, and then Obama will invoke the 14th within a day or two. Makes sense politically, although it'll be an economic disaster.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by miscorrections View Post
    It's not "either side". This is can be squarely laid at the feet of the extreme members of the GOP.
    And at Boehner's. He could allow a vote, which would probably pass with moderate conservative support. But he won't, because he'll get primary'd.
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