Fuck the Republican Party.

[amyzzz]

you're right, i think it was single women. the only women who matter!

[chairmenmeow47]

so now that the congressional budget office has confirmed that in the long run, higher taxes on the rich are a good thing, do we think this is going to happen?

[TomAz]

I know no one here will give a shit about the distinction, but taxing high-salaried people is not necessarily the same as taxing the 'rich' (though yes there is some overlap, so it's not cut and dried). If they really want to 'tax the rich' then they'd go after the capital gains tax rate. That is where the rich make their money.

[amyzzz]

If they raise the taxes on capital gains, won't the rich try to shelter their money in other countries more? I am not sure how that works exactly. Never had an economics class in college.

[TomAz]

Tell us more, amy.

[Miroir Noir]

Latino voter outreach begins anew on Fox News:

[Tubesock Shakur]

I know no one here will give a shit about the distinction, but taxing high-salaried people is not necessarily the same as taxing the 'rich' (though yes there is some overlap, so it's not cut and dried). If they really want to 'tax the rich' then they'd go after the capital gains tax rate. That is where the rich make their money.

They are slightly. The 2% (omg the world will end!!!) bush tax ends soon. Also means higher rates on dividends and capital gains.

[bobert]

I know no one here will give a shit about the distinction, but taxing high-salaried people is not necessarily the same as taxing the 'rich' (though yes there is some overlap, so it's not cut and dried). If they really want to 'tax the rich' then they'd go after the capital gains tax rate. That is where the rich make their money.

I agree 100%, but the republicans will fight to the death to make sure that never happens. The fiscal cliff is probably a welcomed alternative to doubling the rate on capital gains in their minds.

[Tubesock Shakur]

I agree 100%, but the republicans will fight to the death to make sure that never happens. The fiscal cliff is probably a welcomed alternative to doubling the rate on capital gains in their minds.

It's only going up 5%? It's about time wall street invested in manicipal bonds instead of turning them into junk status.

commie talk.

[SoulDischarge]

A system where people are allowed to make obscene amounts of money simply by already obscene amounts of money is irrefutable proof that humanity is fundamentally a piece of shit.

[bobert]

It's only going up 5%? It's about time wall street invested in manicipal bonds instead of turning them into junk status.

commie talk.

I have no idea how much capital gains will be raised when the tax cuts expire. But if it's currently 15% I think it should be double that. If I'm getting taxed at around 30% then so should Wall Street.

[heart cooks brain]

Right now, the maximum federal rate on long-term capital gains and dividends is only 15%. Starting next year, the maximum rate on long-term gains is scheduled to increase to 20% (or 18% on gains from assets acquired after Dec. 31, 2000, and held for over five years)

http://www.smartmoney.com/taxes/inco...ts-affect-you/

[VigoTheCarpathian]

A system where people are allowed to make obscene amounts of money simply by already obscene amounts of money is irrefutable proof that humanity is fundamentally a piece of shit.

People are obscene, not money. People who focus resources, mental or otherwise, on obstructing others rather then helping themselves are the fundamental definition piece of shit.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

not that you're a piece of shit SD. you're fucking awesome. just talkin what I think

[VigoTheCarpathian]

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves."

- Abraham Lincoln

A Republican

Who freed the slaves

And ran for president on the slogan "wage labor is slavery"

[stinkbutt]

What about those that help themselves while obstructing others?

[VigoTheCarpathian]

What about those that help themselves while obstructing others?

obstruction is obstruction. taxes are obstruction

[VigoTheCarpathian]

what about those who obstruct adolf hitler?

[VigoTheCarpathian]

in what instances can we justify violence?

[heart cooks brain]

A system where people are allowed to make obscene amounts of money simply by already obscene amounts of money is irrefutable proof that humanity is fundamentally a piece of shit.

/thread

[VigoTheCarpathian]

the problem, heart cooks brain, is that it isn't that simple

[guedita]

You know what's annoying? When dipshits like Vigo mention that Lincoln, who freed the slave, was a Republican. As if the Republican party he was a part of in any way resembles the current party.

[Gribbz]

Same with people who bring up the Revolutionary war when stroking the second amendment.

[bobert]

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves."

- Abraham Lincoln

A Republican

Who freed the slaves

And ran for president on the slogan "wage labor is slavery"

Pretty sure there was at least a few people down south who thought that freeing the slaves was obstructionist. Also, you won't hear this from Steven Spielberg, but Honest Abe was something of a blowhard.

[VigoTheCarpathian]

Or Democrats who think a central power dictating its subjects to purchase , with their own money, insurance, of all the fucokted ponzai schemes ever invented, isn't the state subsidized capitalism that the left has always fought against.

[TomAz]

You know what's annoying? When dipshits like Vigo mention that Lincoln, who freed the slave, was a Republican. As if the Republican party he was a part of in any way resembles the current party.

the two parties switched places in a 50 year process starting with FDR and concluding with Reagan.

[Miroir Noir]

You know what's annoying? When dipshits like Vigo mention that Lincoln, who freed the slave, was a Republican. As if the Republican party he was a part of in any way resembles the current party.

the two parties switched places in a 50 year process starting with FDR and concluding with Reagan.

My favorite variant of this argument is: "Robert Byrd was once in the KKK, and he was a Democrat in the 2000s!"

[TomAz]

Or Democrats who think a central power dictating its subjects to purchase , with their own money, insurance, of all the fucokted ponzai schemes ever invented, isn't the state subsidized capitalism that the left has always fought against.

See here's the thing about this kind of thinking. Other than it's fucking stupid. In your eagerness to demonstrate your righteous indignation --- THEY ARE MAKING US BUY INSURANCE!! --- you are (1) not addressing the reasons for the mandate (2) not suggesting an alternative to the mandate or (3) saying anything at all of substance. Anyone who understands the dynamics of the health insurance market -- and I am fairly confident in saying I am one of those people, I do it for a living -- knows that we have 3 choices:

1. Continue the system as it has been, and exclude 40+ million americans from having any health insurance at all.
2. Have a mandate
3. Have a single payer system funded through taxes rather than premiums.

There are no other choices. Any attempt to claim there are other choices is foolhardy claptrap and the mark of a blowhard who doesn't know what he's talking about.


Option 1 is no longer acceptable to the American people; the voters have spoken. Option 3 is favored by maybe half the Democratic party but none of the republicans. That leaves option 2. QED. Irrefutable.

[guedita]

They can't make me drink water. Personal will. Bootstraps. Manifest.

[Miroir Noir]

Tom, you should amend #1 to read: "1. Continue the system as it has been, and exclude 40+ million americans from having any health insurance at all. Allow those persons to occasionally receive wildly expensive and inefficient emergency room care, pass exorbitant costs on to tax payers, hospitals, and insured consumers."