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    Right, but what happened in 45 days to cause such a shift from Dewey to Truman. I suppose I can Google, but I like conversing with you gents.
    Greatest campaign in history.

    Dewey played it safe, didn't campaign in states he won in 1948, assumed it was in the bag, Truman tirelessly campaigned for the nomination, eeking out a victory.
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    Game Change good movie
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    fair enough, tommy
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotHamWater View Post
    I don't dislike it, it just doesn't carry as much weight with me. I won't be voting primarily based on that one thing.

    I agree. I wish people took other parties more seriously. The "go team" mentality of hardcore Democrats and Republicans is very off-putting. This isn't sports where people can just blindly follow everything about one side without any real consequences. Honestly, I'm leaning toward Gary Johnson right now. If he miraculously won the Republican nomination, I'd probably be voting for a Republican for president. That was never going to happen, though, because he doesn't strictly fit in with the party platform that has been established. The question is do I "waste" my vote and go with Johnson, or do I vote for a candidate that has a chance of winning? That's what is making me an undecided voter.
    Here's the thing though: the structure of American politics essentially calls for a two "team" zero-sum game. I think there are many Americans, who for good reason, do not fit neatly within the narrower ideological spectrum of either of the two parties. There are people more committed to issues than to elections, causes than offices. And I can also see why the mindless hypocrisy and rah-rah nature of hardcore partisans is off-putting. But when it comes to voting, the political structure of the American system -- no runoffs, winner takes all, no proportional representation -- almost always makes the optimally rational vote to be for one of the two major political parties. We can take the ideas of third parties as seriously as we want to, but it won't make a difference at all: if one of them ever becomes persuasive, they will subsume most of the coalition that constitutes one of the existing major parties, and the system will return to equilibrium within a few election cycles.
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    Alternate reality, 1988, Pierre Du Pont vs Joe Biden, who gets Delaware's electoral votes?
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    What is Ryan mouthing in this video?:



    I think he's saying "damn it."
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    It's happening!!!

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    Mitt’s Mortification

    By FRANK BRUNI


    That bloodied appendage? The one riddled with holes?

    It belongs to Mitt Romney, and we now know that his onetime support for gun control was all that was keeping him from shooting himself in the foot.

    Throughout this campaign, he has misfired so repeatedly and phantasmagorically that his wounds make those visited upon Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway at the end of “Bonnie and Clyde” look like paper cuts.

    But that’s been noted, and there’s a bigger discussion beyond it. How did someone so politically maladroit — a cardboard cutout crossed with an Etch A Sketch — get this far?

    We need to remind ourselves that the alternatives were Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann. And we need to ask whether we now have an electoral process so vacuous, vicious and just plain silly that most people in their right minds wouldn’t go anywhere near it.

    It chews up candidates and their families, spits them out and cackles with hyperpartisan glee all the while. Yes, those candidates volunteer for it, but still. The process doesn’t necessarily serve some wondrous purpose of culling the herd and toughening the survivors, as the people invested in it — including those of us in the news media — often like to argue. Maybe it just sours them, befouls the atmosphere in which they operate and encourages voters to tune out.

    It encourages would-be candidates, watching from the edge of the battlefield, not to step onto it. Mitch Daniels took a pass. So did Jeb Bush. It’s not certain that either of them, in the final analysis, would have been better than Romney. But it’s beyond doubt that the strafing they and their families would have received, along with the compromises they would have been pressured to make, influenced their decisions.

    To what bliss can the person who chooses to run look forward? Relentless tedium, for starters. A candidate typically repeats the same 10 to 25 minutes of remarks at least three times a day in at least two time zones a week for at least 10 months on end, if you count the primaries. To embrace that, he or she has to be a narcissist, an automaton, an ideologue or an idealist of the very highest order. And I don’t think the idealists are exactly overrepresented these days.

    A candidate must be craven about asking for money and do it round the clock, because at this point so much of it is required that for all Romney’s sterling connections and platinum panhandling, he’s still apparently coming up short. That may be the scariest story of the season.

    Due to the differences between a primary and general-election campaign, a candidate must be willing to waffle, and if he or she gets too accustomed to that, it can lead to moments as mortifying as one on the most recent “60 Minutes.”

    Scott Pelley, pressing Romney on which tax loopholes he’d close: “The devil’s in the details.”

    Romney, refusing to provide any: “The devil’s in the details. The angel is in the policy.”

    The hell has no end. The 140-character limit of Twitter, the acceleration of the news cycle and the proliferation of proudly biased newscasts have intensified the patrol for gaffes, heightened the hunger for tiffs and tidbits, ratcheted up the invasiveness.

    Over recent days I stumbled upon a headline about Romney’s “enlarged prostate” and, separately, a tasteless examination of the contracts that one of his sons had with a gestational surrogate.

    There was also chatter about the orange hue of either his tan or his makeup, though I admit to my own ignoble fascination with this. Halloween’s on the horizon. Is Romney pandering for the pumpkin vote?

    The zone of privacy around a candidate has vanished, thanks to prying smartphones — poised, yes, to capture important tells, but poised as well to document meaningless ones.

    From strategists and pundits comes a daily vivisection: smirk less, laugh more, fewer neckties, tighter pants. Bit by inevitable bit, a candidate surrenders all spontaneity, along with some of his or her authentic self and a certain measure of joy.

    President Obama was also on “60 Minutes,” and what I saw as he answered questions about his record wasn’t the audacity of hope. It was the annoyance of being put through these paces and being second-guessed.

    Romney’s bleeding has plenty to do with his intrinsic shortcomings and his shortsightedness: how does a man who has harbored presidential ambitions almost since he was a zygote create a paper trail of offshore accounts and tax returns like his?

    But I wonder if we’re not seeing the worst possible version of him, and if it isn’t the ugly flower of the process itself. I wonder, too, what the politicians mulling 2016 make of it, and whether, God help us, we’ll be looking at an even worse crop of candidates then.
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    The deadline has come and passed for Todd Akin to remove himself from the Missouri ballot. About five minutes later, the Democrats finally hit the air:

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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    I don't think anyone voting third party expects them to win. It's a way of voicing dissatisfaction with the current political environment, pushing forward marginalized issues (I think it was Nader who said that one of the goals for him when running last was to get enough votes to get a chance to enter the debates and challenge the major candidates on issues they typically wouldn't get challenged on), and making sure smaller, conceivably winnable government positions for their party make it on the ballot. I'd have to feel like my vote was actually worth something before I'd be able to feel like I was wasting it.
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    Thanks for giving us the opportunity to not give a fuck again.

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    Or if you want to help a billionaire stick it to his Republican pal because of NAFTA, a third party vote is a good way to go.
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    Anyone know who the guy in the Cardinals jersey is? I've seen him in pictures on the board and I thought I saw him this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miroir Noir View Post
    Here's the thing though: the structure of American politics essentially calls for a two "team" zero-sum game. I think there are many Americans, who for good reason, do not fit neatly within the narrower ideological spectrum of either of the two parties. There are people more committed to issues than to elections, causes than offices. And I can also see why the mindless hypocrisy and rah-rah nature of hardcore partisans is off-putting. But when it comes to voting, the political structure of the American system -- no runoffs, winner takes all, no proportional representation -- almost always makes the optimally rational vote to be for one of the two major political parties. We can take the ideas of third parties as seriously as we want to, but it won't make a difference at all: if one of them ever becomes persuasive, they will subsume most of the coalition that constitutes one of the existing major parties, and the system will return to equilibrium within a few election cycles.
    Why do you say the nature of American politics calls for a two-party system? What in its nature dictates that? Are you just referring to the fact that votes for third parties don't translate into seats in Congress the way they do in Canada/Britain? (yes, I know it's not "Congress" in those nations but you dumb cunts ought to know what I mean)

    The creators of the system certainly didn't intend for it to end up this way, I'm just curious as to why you think it's somehow inherent in the way its built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotHamWater View Post
    I don't dislike it, it just doesn't carry as much weight with me. I won't be voting primarily based on that one thing.

    I agree. I wish people took other parties more seriously. The "go team" mentality of hardcore Democrats and Republicans is very off-putting. This isn't sports where people can just blindly follow everything about one side without any real consequences. Honestly, I'm leaning toward Gary Johnson right now. If he miraculously won the Republican nomination, I'd probably be voting for a Republican for president. That was never going to happen, though, because he doesn't strictly fit in with the party platform that has been established. The question is do I "waste" my vote and go with Johnson, or do I vote for a candidate that has a chance of winning? That's what is making me an undecided voter.
    Maybe this would be of interest to you:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/thirdpartyroundtable/

    This subforum is dedicated to organizing roundtable discussions (perhaps over Google+) after each upcoming presidential debate with Gary Johnson, Dennis Kucinich, Jill Stein, Ron Paul, Russ Feingold and others where Romney and Obama's comments are analyzed & critiqued.
    It is our hope that discussions featuring influential figures of various political leanings will help amplify a variety of viewpoints that otherwise might not gain exposure through traditional media outlets.
    If you share the belief that our two-party system is in dire need of reform, join us as we attempt to convene intelligent discussions about the critical issues that face our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RotationSlimWang View Post
    Why do you say the nature of American politics calls for a two-party system? What in its nature dictates that? Are you just referring to the fact that votes for third parties don't translate into seats in Congress the way they do in Canada/Britain? (yes, I know it's not "Congress" in those nations but you dumb cunts ought to know what I mean)

    The creators of the system certainly didn't intend for it to end up this way, I'm just curious as to why you think it's somehow inherent in the way its built.
    Duverger's Law


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
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    Exactly what Tom referenced, Randy. And whether they intended to or not, the founding generation coalesced around two different parties almost immediately after (nominal Federalist Party member, but practically speaking non-partisan) George Washington left office.
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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    That's what I said just without calling it some fucker's law. Single winner voting is bullshit.
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    Hannah, I don't know that pigs have big weiners, and my early 20's facination with dogs because of weiner size, I think. If that helps.

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    Why we end up with 2 parties:


    A slightly better alternative:

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    I like how it's TheWatcher who posted that.

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    Romney picked up the much-coveted Jack Nicklaus endorsement today, finally making much-needed progress with affluent old people who like golf.
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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    Gerald Ford, great president
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowMotionApocalypse View Post
    Gerald Ford, Where Did It All Go Wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart cooks brain View Post
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    Ronald Reagan, signalling there is no place for moderates in this country.
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    Honorary Republican:

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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    I am still shocked (and awed) that John Glenn could go to outer space and back but couldn't even win a single primary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miroir Noir View Post
    Honorary Republican:

    Very appropriate considering his audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canexplain View Post
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    It's hard to argue with that.

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    well Obama's just sewn up the deer tick vote.
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    The Deer Tick vote might need some sewing up if they keep up their on-stage antics.

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