What was that one group of people that came out against prop 8 in large numbers....can't recall.
Ok, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't speak law fluently- but I do know that I don't agree with Gov. Herbert's decision, and I know that it's not just the dirty hippies that feel the same way. I used to be mormon- it's a common story- so we all know why this state functions the way it does. I know that if you and all your siblings have 8 fucking kids each, some of your family will be gay, and the gay community here is large and strong, and they're smart. They organize, and they're sort of the top positions in all things media, they have weight. Count everyone else who 'thinks rationally' here, and I really would say Utah is very pro-equality. Herbert knows that this is a religious crusade, just like everyone else knows it. This here is a losing battle, for as ever long as the church rules.
The mos always say to the gentiles that they support equality, but not to each other and definitely not when it counts, like when they vote. I agree with Ivy, I think it's totally fair to single them out, for those programs and other preposterous things. Anyway, I just know that what is happening here is sour, and I don't like what it is doing to my friends, their families and their children, or the reputation of this state. I thought for a minute that we were moving forward and I'm disappointed that once again, the powerful religious few on the top are missing an opportunity to be better. I understand that this issue is tricky because it is Utah, and not California or the other religious states. So maybe nothing I say will make any sense to anyone.
Also, kvnty was just lightheartedly agreeing with my frustration, not just blurting out some hate- and I love him for it.
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What I'm saying is thanks for your deep thought.
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I seem to have made the mistake of assuming that the context of this particular discussion and how it started made it clear I'm talking about the folks on the left hurling harsh invective. But thanks for reminding me there's more than two identical people in the world.
What I'm saying is thanks for refuting arguments I haven't made.
and your deep thoughts
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Well then you're talking about "productive discourse" when no such thing was the goal. Which had already been well covered, I thought. So I figured you were looking at a bigger context. Though I suppose I should have gone smaller as it seems like you had retreated to defending what you had said.
You seem to be missing the last few pages of this thread. If you made some sort of statement in the past declaring "productive discourse" is not useful then congratulations, but I don't give a shit.
Can't believe no one's brought up this gem of a quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/op...pgtype=articleOriginally Posted by Former Arkansas Governor and Republican Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee
^yeah why hasn't anyone manufactured any phony outrage that a conservative thinks people are capable of buying their own shit?
his point is still stupid. the point of paying for birth control is a preventative measure so that the government isn't subsidizing health care costs for babies people cannot afford. we've obviously found out as a society that even with contraception and education, people are still going to have sex and get pregnant. we've also found that people are still going to walk away from the pregnancy and leave one parent holding the baby and the bills.
i get that there will always be a group of people against abortion. but being against birth control is expensively stupid for this country. or maybe we just need to invent a pill for men and then the argument would magically cease. at the root of all of this is the long-standing tradition of men being terrified of women having any power. being barefoot and pregnant is a great way to keep us down.
There is a great article in this months rolling stone about how the republicans are chipping away at abortion rights. Couldn't do it through the front door so they are being sneaky as fuck. It's scary in some states.
Francis the Reformer has put out some new marching orders.
1. "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" -- Interview aboard the Papal Plane after World Youth Day in Brazil.
2. "A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: "Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?" We must always consider the person. -- Interview with Jesuit Catholic journals around the world.
3. "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context...We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel." -- Interview with Jesuit Catholic journals around the world.