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    IMHO, it's just because the Republicans are better at playing the game. So rather than saying there can be no abortions at all, they'll just keep narrowing the terms until the margin is so narrow as to be insignificant. You can have an abortion if you've been raped, for now. Oh, but only if you don't use public money. And it's been a certain kind of rape. On a Tuesday. If you're a Libra.

    They've given up on an outright assault and resigned themselves to a war of attrition. I don't believe it's an idealogical concession they've made, just a superficial, temporary, tactical one.

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    i definitely think that's true for politicians, MP, well put. i just wonder if every day anti-abortionist people really feel this way.
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    Note: I am pro-choice, I have no problem with abortion. I see it as a medical procedure and believe that it should be treated as one. (Which just means: I am not one of the anti-abortion voices you are looking for).

    But to answer your first question, I don't think you're missing anything. It's about balancing different horrific things.

    And, just to be clear, there are people who take more extreme positions, those who feel the only exception should be to save the life of the mother and even those who feel there should be no exceptions, that abortion should always be illegal. The latter may have the cleanest internal logic of these positions but I don't think that makes it any better.
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    I'm not sure how a person can hold the position that an abortion in the first trimester is murder and still be extremely pro-abortion. Whatever that means.

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    Pro-abortion is a pretty fraught term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    i definitely think that's true for politicians, MP, well put. i just wonder if every day anti-abortionist people really feel this way.


    I think typical pro-life people probably don't like to consider rape a part of the ideological discussion at all, given that in an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue present enough to complicate whether or not it's right or wrong. Moral grey area exists alongside virtually any belief if you ask the right questions, and especially if you start trying to reconcile them with worst-case scenarios. This is of course not to say that they don't talk about it, as I'm sure people make that particular conversational demand on them regularly, but given that it's typically argued because of how viscerally polarizing it is and not based on some sort of budget technicality or historical precedent like a lot of other things, it doesn't really follow that it would have an intrinsic contingency for any concurrent trauma. If that makes sense. Which I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

    Simplified: in cases of legislation, we truly need worst-case-scenario contingencies and clear boundaries and they need to be spelled out for us. Maybe not so reasonable to expect regular people to have strong opinions regarding every potential variable when their general defense is that something feels wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    I'm not sure how a person can hold the position that an abortion in the first trimester is murder and still be extremely pro-abortion. Whatever that means.
    if the baby can't exist outside the mother's body, it's a different type of murder. murder may be the wrong word, but you are inessence ceasing the life of the cells trying to form inside your body. that is different than beating to death a living and breathing baby outside of a mother's body.
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    i just said murder is probably the wrong word. my point is that whether abortion is considered "murder" or not shouldn't matter if a woman does not want to carry a baby to term.
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    Slaughter? I like slaughter.

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    It's like an onomatopoeia, if your blade is sharp enough.

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    "slaughterhouse 5: where the fifth abortion is free!"
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    I've posted something like this before: I believe the anti-abortion advocate is not really "pro life" or "anti abortion". Their real agenda is that they are anti-sex. Or at least, anti-sex of any kind other than where the man owns the woman. Any form of sex which empowers the woman, in which the woman plays a role in choosing her partner, or sex not actually involving a woman, these people are opposed to. And the sexual revolution in the 1960s, and then Roe v Wade in 1970, and now gay rights today, have these people on the defensive and trying to claw their way back into some sort of position of authority.

    These people also tend to be religious, of the rightwing fundamentalist variety, but I can't tell if that's cause-and-effect or concommitant. I suspect the latter, personally.
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    That's not always true. Many people are pro-life simply because they don't feel it's okay to terminate a pregnancy, and even as a godless pro-choice liberal I can understand that aversion. External politics are inextricable on an overlaying media and legislative scale to be sure, but at the ground level it's not always about what everybody else supports or What Kind Of Person You Are.

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    being 'pro-life' is not necessarily the same as being an 'anti-abortion advocate'. but regardless, i suppose you are right; i'm really talking about the rabid people like Representative Akin.
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    That is absolutely correct.

    I can only add that the so-called "pro lifers" frequently reveal their actual game when they give their wholehearted approval to all sorts of government-sponsored "pro death" policies such as executions or non-defensive military actions. The Catholic clergy and others occasionally aim for some sort of consistency on the life question, but for the most part, anti-abortion politics are about the sexual revolution and feminism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAz View Post
    being 'pro-life' is not necessarily the same as being an 'anti-abortion advocate'. but regardless, i suppose you are right; i'm really talking about the rabid people like Representative Akin.
    I didn't see your edit until submitting my post. Your intention is a little bit clearer now.

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    MURDERERS ARE GUILTY BABIES ARE NOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmjamalawesome View Post
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    It's like being menaced by a ram as he steals your shoehorn.

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    Chaff and flares! Bwahahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannahrain View Post
    It's like being menaced by a ram as he steals your shoehorn.
    I would be interested in seeing you take the Rorschach test just to hear your responses.
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    I'm not sure the rest of our mushy mammal brains could handle her response, to be honest.

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    With the Akin stuff it was easy to miss this weird story today, but FBI probed GOP trip with drinking, nudity in Israel.
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    Why in the hell was the FBI investigating a bit of skinny dipping?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    I'm not sure how a person can hold the position that an abortion in the first trimester is murder and still be extremely pro-abortion. Whatever that means.
    Abortion in any trimester is murder, but you can't deem it illegal. It's murdering a parasite. A human parasite, sure, but regardless I'll be damned if anybody's going to tell me I don't hold dominion over any organism siphoning life off of me.
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    Hannah, I don't know that pigs have big weiners, and my early 20's facination with dogs because of weiner size, I think. If that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissingPerson View Post
    Why in the hell was the FBI investigating a bit of skinny dipping?!
    i didn't read the article, but prolly cause of the scandal with those secret service guys and the whores?
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    Feds were investigating possible non-disclosure of the trip by one of the Members. The skinny-dipping stuff came out in the course of the investigation.
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    I'd like to postulate a theory as to why he actually said this:

    For years he tried to perform the one true task of manhood--to fertilize an egg. His wife had read all the books, charted her menstrual cycle thoroughly, took vaginal temperatures every two hours and beckoned for him to come and fill her with life. When their sex ended--quick, passionless sex during which the immense pressure to deliver his seed into this woman whom he felt nothing for--he would quickly withdraw so that she could roll onto her back and clutch her knees to her chest. He would excuse himself to "clean up," when really he had to shake off the thoughts he'd taken to using as mental pornography when it became difficult if not near impossible for him to ejaculate inside his wife. They were thoughts of men. Boys, technically. Young, proud, Christian boys who desperately wanted to please him. With every orgasm delivered into her but meant for a crowd of young male flesh, his secret fear that those sperms would produce a gay child grew stronger.

    But after so many long months of trying to provide a child through God's intended methods, his wife's depression and subsequent urging to him to please go with her to the fertility specialist and be examined began to take its toll. The tests were embarrassing for both and the relationship became strained. On the day they were set to receive the results, the doctor first asked him to come in alone. "This isn't the kind of news I feel comfortable delivering to both of you. All she need know is that unfortunately, your sperm will never be able to naturally fertilize her eggs. And the problem isn't her. You have a condition known as Gay Sperm. Your genital region is just lousy with homosexuality, and as a result her ovaries actually retreat from your sperm as they approach, which hurts their feelings and causes them to just hang out with each other, entwining their flagella until they die."

    The idea that a rapist could be so effective in impregnating a woman not even trying to conceive boggled his mind. After all, if they supposed hated these rapists so much, why wouldn't their ovaries just run away?
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    Hannah, I don't know that pigs have big weiners, and my early 20's facination with dogs because of weiner size, I think. If that helps.

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