The Default Thread

[TomAz]

And because you show them movies of people hacking each other to bits.

[amyzzz]

There is actually very little hacking in either of those movies. If at all.

[TomAz]

[Interviewer]: Part of your work here at Trinity has been working with priests involved in abuse, no?

[Father Groeschel]: A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases, they have to leave. And some of them profoundly — profoundly — penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath. But that's not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.

[Interviewer]: Why would that be?

[Father Greoschel]: Well, it's not so hard to see — a kid looking for a father and didn't have his own — and they won't be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.

It's an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys, judges, social workers. Generally, if they get involved, it's heterosexually, and if it's a priest, he leaves and gets married — that's the usual thing — and gets a dispensation. A lot of priests leave quickly, get civilly married and then apply for the dispensation, which takes about three years.

But there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?

Here's this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky — it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn't anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn't break the ice. Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn't think of it in terms of legal things.

If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way. Sometimes statutory rape would be — but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn't touch it. People backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I'm not sure why.

I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that it brings the case out into the open, and the girl's name is there, or people will figure out what's there, or the youngster involved — you know, it's not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they're talking about it.

At this point, (when) any priest, any clergyman, any social worker, any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a single sexual act — not necessarily intercourse — they're done. And I'm inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.

[algunz]

Father Grossout

[amyzzz]

He seems awfully forgiving of child molesters and rapists.

[miscorrections]

Don't you just hate it when 14 year olds come after you and make you have sex with them?

[algunz]

He's a priest. Forgiveness is his forte.

[amyzzz]

What about the victims?

[algunz]

Didn't you read? The priest or the coach or the teacher is the victim here.

[heart cooks brain]

Didn't you read? The priest or the coach or the teacher is the victim here.

did you see how they were dressed? totally asking for it.

[algunz]

Those robes and short shorts are an invitation. Sluts!

[amyzzz]

There is this article which states that pedophiles may be born being sexually attracted to children:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinio...html?hpt=op_t1

[miscorrections]

Just because there may be a biological basis doesn't make it any less terrible.

[heart cooks brain]

it definitely doesn't absolve some asshole from insinuating children were or are responsible for seducing a grown man.

[SoulDischarge]

Just because there may be a biological basis doesn't make it any less terrible.

Right, but, god, that has to be horrible. Not that there's any excuse and of course it should never be acted upon, but fuck, what a horrible horrible thing to be. Like that guy in Capturing The Friedmans who pretty much knew he was a monster but couldn't seem to stop himself. I can't imagine the fucking hell it must be to be attracted to one thing for that one thing to be so fundamentally terrible. It kind of makes sense why so many priests are pedophiles. You're stuck either living a life of celibacy or committing terrible acts, so it's probably best just to try to make something noble out of your abstinence. And then fail horribly as you realize it doesn't really prevent you from anything.

[miscorrections]

Oh sure, it's gotta be torture for those folks. I can't imagine it as anything but a 100% miserable existence for all parties involved.

[algunz]

"One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester."

[Hannahrain]

This is an ad from 1912.



I suppose what we have to decide now is how somebody's going to earn the right to be exclusively referred to as such.

[chairmenmeow47]

Right, but, god, that has to be horrible. Not that there's any excuse and of course it should never be acted upon, but fuck, what a horrible horrible thing to be. Like that guy in Capturing The Friedmans who pretty much knew he was a monster but couldn't seem to stop himself. I can't imagine the fucking hell it must be to be attracted to one thing for that one thing to be so fundamentally terrible. It kind of makes sense why so many priests are pedophiles. You're stuck either living a life of celibacy or committing terrible acts, so it's probably best just to try to make something noble out of your abstinence. And then fail horribly as you realize it doesn't really prevent you from anything.

i know someone serving time for being caught with child pornography. he was always attracted to younger girls. no matter how many times we (his theatre peers) tried to reason with him about how it was inappropriate to act on his attractions, he never got it. i couldn't imagine being attracted to someone in such a harmful way. i don't think it is something that can be fixed either; it's just a matter of not acting on your attractions. what a sad, shameful, secret life.

[Hannahrain]

Hug Me Jacket: Coat for the Cold and Lonely

Here is the perfect parka for the long, dark, and lonely days of winter. "Everybody needs love, don't they?" asks emerging menswear designer Si Chan on his blog. Chan says he designed his eccentric kelly green puffer jacket, which features a row of clasped hands running up the front, to make the wearer feel "warm and hugged."

While Chan, who recently graduated with top honors from London's College of Fashion, purposely exaggerated the padding to resemble a kid's stuffed toy in order to emphasize the warm and fuzzy vibe of the jacket, there's also something a little creepy about it and some of the other touchy-feely items in his collection of six outfits. The grabbing hands conjure up straight jacket from a future planet or tree branches-turned-arms from a child's nightmare.

Chan explains that hugging hands are a symbol of what makes it possible for humans to "express love" and "depart from loneliness" and he insists his vision is sweet, not sinister. A photo from his blog titled "Inspiration" bears that out. It's a sun-washed snapshot of him as a giggling toddler being given a loving squeeze by his older brother. If only a jacket could make one feel that good.

The "Hug Me Jacket" is a prototype but the designer tells Yahoo! Shine he would like to produce it for sale online this winter. The cost would be about £800 ($1,1200).

[miscorrections]

That guy's face just about sums it up.

[TomAz]

Is that Will Butler?

[M Sparks]

What about the victims?

He forgives them too.

Like that guy in Capturing The Friedmans who pretty much knew he was a monster but couldn't seem to stop himself.

[Tangent] I was in a two screen theater once and Capturing The Friedmans was playing on the other screen. I stepped out of my movie to the bathroom and there was a guy with two kids at the counter trying to get a refund because he thought it was a Chevy Chase family comedy. [/Tangent]

Terrifying

[bmack86]

Voyager 1 is at the outer edge of the solar system and on the verge of breaking into the open space between stars. It'll be the first man-made object to go outside of our solar system. And it's still kicking. What an awesome little machine.

[chairmenmeow47]

Voyager 1 is at the outer edge of the solar system and on the verge of breaking into the open space between stars. It'll be the first man-made object to go outside of our solar system. And it's still kicking. What an awesome little machine.

do they know for sure? i mean, i know we've been waiting for awhile, but i thought they didn't have a way to know for sure when it left the solar system.

[algunz]

Truly an awesome little machine.

[bmack86]

do they know for sure? i mean, i know we've been waiting for awhile, but i thought they didn't have a way to know for sure when it left the solar system.

I read an article where they said that it's currently in the plasma cloud that is created at the edge of the solar system by the sun's radiation, and that they expect it to have quite a bit less turbulence once it gets outside the solar system.

The scientists said that it could be a few days, up to a year and a half.

[canexplain]

Well it 428 in the morn ....... life is odd not working.. cr*****

[algunz]

You better this morning, Ron?

[Hannahrain]

Bucky Fuller was born in 1895 and died in 1983. Think about that. Really think about it.