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    YB, y u slippin' on this?

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    Jimmy Fallon Derby rap from 2001.
    http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon....by-rap/n17265/
    I thought this was funny. Love the Uncle Mo verse too, because it was true

    Edits in progress. Governor Charlie is out. No horse trained by Bob Baffert and no horses from the Sunland Derby are in. That post will be deleted/edited.

    I also just deleted the first post on this page. Winning Cause, the horse who won the Coolmore Lexington Stakes, won't run in the Derby. No horse from that Derby prep will be in the Derby.

    Current field by qualifying points. THESE ARE NOT POST POSITIONS. Those will be drawn tomorrow afternoon.
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    5/4: KENTUCKY DERBY -- CURRENT FIELD -- MONDAY (4/29)

    1. Orb (Shug McGaughey/Joel Rosario)
    2. Verrazano (Todd Pletcher/John Velazquez)
    3. Goldencents (Doug O’Neill/Kevin Krigger)
    4. Java’s War (Ken McPeek/Julian Leparoux)
    5. Overanalyze (Todd Pletcher/Rafael Bejarano)
    6. Revolutionary (Todd Pletcher/Calvin Borel)
    7. Lines of Battle (Aidan O’Brien/Ryan Moore)
    8. Vyjack (Rudy Rodriguez/Garrett Gomez)
    9. Will Take Charge (D. Wayne Lukas/Jon Court)
    10. Itsmyluckyday (Eddie Plesa Jr./Elvis Trujillo)
    11. Black Onyx (Kelly Breen/Joe Bravo)
    12. Palace Malice (Todd Pletcher/Mike Smith)
    13. Normandy Invasion (Chad Brown/Javier Castellano)
    14. Frac Daddy (Ken McPeek/V. Lebron)
    15. Mylute (Tom Amoss/Rosie Napravnik)
    16. Oxbow (D. Wayne Lukas/Gary Stevens)
    17. Falling Sky (John Terranova/Luis Saez)
    18. Charming Kitten (Todd Pletcher/Edgar Prado)
    19. Golden Soul (Dallas Stewart/BJ Hernandez)
    20. Fear the Kitten (Mike Maker/Alan Garcia)
    Adding info about Charming Kitten, Golden Soul and Fear the Kitten.

    Fear the Kitten's info will be added to the Blue Grass and Spiral Stakes posts.
    Golden Soul will be added to the Louisiana Derby post
    Charming Kitten will be added to the Blue Grass post

    Edits will be made tonight (Tuesday 4/30/13)
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    I'm making up a big batch of pre-prepared Mint Juleps tonight. I'll be honest: while I can say all day that it's because of the derby coming up, it's really just because I want a bottle of julep to sip on this week. Simple syrup is cooling and I'm waiting for my dad to get home with the bourbon and mint.
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    I'm right there with you Brian. I have two 1.75s of Makers Mark standing by. Making the simple syrup tonight and sticking in the fridge. I bought all the Mint that Albertsons has to offer. Also making Bourbon Slush this year. Made the Bourbon Ball mix last night, just need to roll them into balls. Placed the catering order for Popeyes to pick up Saturday morning. Just waiting on the post positions so I can print out the betting posters. RSVP is up to 55. Anyone interested in making the drive up to TO on Saturday, hit me up.
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    I filled a litre bottle with my julep mix and it's currently sitting the fridge with a couple more mint sprigs in it to meld overnight. I have the leftovers in a glass right now and am very happy with the result. I used Evan Williams since our local store didn't have Early Times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayaDelWes View Post
    I'm right there with you Brian. I have two 1.75s of Makers Mark standing by. Making the simple syrup tonight and sticking in the fridge. I bought all the Mint that Albertsons has to offer. Also making Bourbon Slush this year. Made the Bourbon Ball mix last night, just need to roll them into balls. Placed the catering order for Popeyes to pick up Saturday morning. Just waiting on the post positions so I can print out the betting posters. RSVP is up to 55. Anyone interested in making the drive up to TO on Saturday, hit me up.
    Is Maker's your choice? If so, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marooko View Post
    Is Maker's your choice? If so, why?
    No real preference. Visited their distallary on the Bourbon Trail a few years back. Was a decent deal at Costco and generally a safe choice for a large party.

    Balls are rolled:
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    yeah, as something of a bourbon nut I was actually questioning the choice of Maker's as well, Wes. Except for the fact that, when I went to Kentucky, they sold a Maker's Julip bottle that was out of this world. Green wax, great flavor. As a regular bourbon, it's completely unremarkable and not worth the price they charge. Early Times is a much better Kentucky Whisky and you can usually get a handle for half what you pay for a small Makers.
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    Maybe next year, Early Times. This is really the only week of the year I drink Bourbon. 9 out of 10 times, I'm drinking tequila. Makers is more for the show, the tradition, and something people who have no idea of whats good, ask what's in this, and say 'nice' to.
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    Early Times is the regular bourbon used at the Derby. Woodford Reserve if you want to go fancy. You should go fancy, Woodford is worth it.
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    And, Early Times is not technically bourbon, but it's better than most things you'll pay twice the price for. It's Woodford Reserve in second run barrels.
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    Will y'all share your recipes please? Especially the mint julep recipie.

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    Official Mint Julep
    2 cups sugar
    2 cups water
    Sprigs of fresh mint
    Crushed ice
    2 oz Kentucky Bourbon


    My liberties:
    The night before I make the simple syrup (equal sugar and water) and I also stick some mint sprigs into the bourbon bottle to infuse the mint flavor directly into the bourbon.

    Crushed ice has a purpose (keeping it cool and watering it down). Since it’s hard to come by, I use a little more water in the simple syrup than sugar and I keep the mix cool in the fridge until drinking time. I add the Bourbon to taste.

    Nearby I have a cup of nicely trimmed mint sprig and a bowl of powdered sugar. I fill a cup with ice, add the Mint Julep, take a mint sprig dipped in the powdered sugar, and serve.


    This year I used this Bourbon Ball recipe which uses honey instead of corn syrup.
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    Here's the recipe I used:

    Ingredients
    4 cups bourbon
    2 bunches fresh spearmint
    1 cup distilled water
    1 cup granulated sugar
    Powdered sugar
    Directions
    To prepare mint extract, remove about 40 small mint leaves. Wash and place in a small bowl. Cover with 3 ounces bourbon. Allow the leaves to soak for 15 minutes. Then gather the leaves in paper toweling. Thoroughly wring the mint over the bowl of whisky. Dip the bundle again and repeat the process several times.

    To prepare simple syrup, mix 1 cup of granulated sugar and 1 cup of distilled water in a small saucepan. Heat to dissolve sugar. Stir constantly so the sugar does not burn. Set aside to cool.

    To prepare mint julep mixture, pour 3 1/2 cups of bourbon into a large glass bowl or glass pitcher. Add 1 cup of the simple syrup to the bourbon.

    Now begin adding the mint extract 1 tablespoon at a time to the julep mixture. Each batch of mint extract is different, so you must taste and smell after each tablespoon is added. You are looking for a soft mint aroma and taste-generally about 3 tablespoons. When you think it's right, pour the whole mixture back into the empty liter bottle and refrigerate it for at least 24 hours to "marry" the flavors.

    To serve the julep, fill each glass (preferably a silver mint julep cup) 1/2 full with shaved ice. Insert a spring of mint and then pack in more ice to about 1-inch over the top of the cup. Then, insert a straw that has been cut to 1-inch above the top of the cup so the nose is forced close to the mint when sipping the julep.

    When frost forms on the cup, pour the refrigerated julep mixture over the ice and add a sprinkle of powdered sugar to the top of the ice. Serve immediately.



    Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/s...ml?oc=linkback
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmack86 View Post
    Then gather the leaves in paper toweling. Thoroughly wring the mint over the bowl of whisky.
    Forgot about that part. Really need to bruise the leaves about half way to release the natural mint oil by breaking the cell walls.
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    When is Wes posting his bets so we can copy?

    May take a long-shot flyer on Palace Malice. Like that Mike Smith and he's been getting a bunch of 1st/2nds on recent races. Borel is dangerous, but hasn't been that successful lately.
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    I have some hours reserved for studying Friday night. Check back Saturday morning.
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    Thanks for the recipes and look forward to everyone's bets.

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    I personally enjoy Maker's, and have also enjoyed Woodford. I'll check out this Early Times soon.

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    Early Times comes in a plastic bottle and is really cheap. Don't let that fool you, it's a great whisky.
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    assume the post positions

    1. Black Onyx, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Kelly Breen

    2. Oxbow, 30 - 1 odds; Trainer: D. Wayne Lukas

    3. Revolutionary, 10 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    4. Golden Soul, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Dallas Stewart

    5. Normandy Invasion, 12 - 1 odds; Trainer: Chad Brown

    6. Mylute, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Tom Amoss

    7. Giant Finish, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Anthony Dutrow

    8. Goldencents, 5 - 1 odds; Trainer: Doug O'Neill

    9. Overanalyze, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    10. Palace Malice, 20 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    11. Lines of Battle, 30 -1 odds; Trainer: Aidan O'Brien

    12. Itsmyluckyday, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Eddie Plesa Jr.

    13. Falling Sky, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: John Terranova

    14. Verrazano, 4 -1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    15. Charming Kitten, 20 -1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    16. Orb, 7 -2 odds; Trainer: Shug McGaughey

    17. Will Take Charge, 20 - 1 odds; Trainer: D. Wayne Lukas

    18. Frac Daddy, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Ken McPeek

    19. Java's War, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Ken McPeek

    20. Vyjack, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Rudy Rodriguez

    Horses in positions 1 through 14 will be in the main gate; horses in positions 15 through 20 will be in the auxiliary gate.

    If one of the horses withdraws from the race by 9 a.m. Friday, Fear the Kitten will fill that horse's slot.

    My horse trainer friend's take: "This is one of the best fields I have seen in years for the Oaks & Derby. I really liked Orb until he drew post 16 and is the morning line favorite. At this time I like Normandy Invasion & Frac Daddy"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehorne View Post
    assume the post positions

    1. Black Onyx, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Kelly Breen

    2. Oxbow, 30 - 1 odds; Trainer: D. Wayne Lukas

    3. Revolutionary, 10 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    4. Golden Soul, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Dallas Stewart

    5. Normandy Invasion, 12 - 1 odds; Trainer: Chad Brown

    6. Mylute, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Tom Amoss

    7. Giant Finish, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Anthony Dutrow

    8. Goldencents, 5 - 1 odds; Trainer: Doug O'Neill

    9. Overanalyze, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    10. Palace Malice, 20 - 1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    11. Lines of Battle, 30 -1 odds; Trainer: Aidan O'Brien

    12. Itsmyluckyday, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Eddie Plesa Jr.

    13. Falling Sky, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: John Terranova

    14. Verrazano, 4 -1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    15. Charming Kitten, 20 -1 odds; Trainer: Todd Pletcher

    16. Orb, 7 -2 odds; Trainer: Shug McGaughey

    17. Will Take Charge, 20 - 1 odds; Trainer: D. Wayne Lukas

    18. Frac Daddy, 50 - 1 odds; Trainer: Ken McPeek

    19. Java's War, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Ken McPeek

    20. Vyjack, 15 - 1 odds; Trainer: Rudy Rodriguez

    Horses in positions 1 through 14 will be in the main gate; horses in positions 15 through 20 will be in the auxiliary gate.

    If one of the horses withdraws from the race by 9 a.m. Friday, Fear the Kitten will fill that horse's slot.

    My horse trainer friend's take: "This is one of the best fields I have seen in years for the Oaks & Derby. I really liked Orb until he drew post 16 and is the morning line favorite. At this time I like Normandy Invasion & Frac Daddy"
    Thank you for posting this. Later tonight or by tomorrow afternoon, I'll add the remaining horses to my previous posts, and add post positions and post links with it. My picks will happen tomorrow or Friday. Good luck all
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    Ok lovers and friends. This is what happens when I have waaaaaaaayyyyyy to much time on my hands. But as a horse-racing nut and also trying to be some half-ass'd ambassador for the sport of kings, I figured I educate y'all on the Derby this year. You can start viewing all the posts on page 6 of this thread, or they're all individually linked below so if you just wanna look at specific posts you can. I HAVE NOT POSTED MY PICKS YET. I tried giving you guys some good and bad things about each of these horses without showing too much bias. The Derby every year is full of unpredictability and longshots, so if these posts help you form your own opinion so be it. It's seriously every bit as good as mine, because even the most hardcore handicappers have trouble getting that race right from year to year. Otherwise, just listen to Playadelwes for picks, because he wins every year anyway ;p. Hope this helps you for Saturday. Have fun, have some Mint Juleps, and hopefully the rain stays away from Louisville on Saturday.

    Intro Post and explanation/terminology-
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730585

    Wood Memorial- Verrazano, Normandy Invasion, Vyjack
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730597

    Santa Anita Derby- Goldecents
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730617

    Arkansas Derby- Oxbow, Overanalyze, Falling Sky, Frac Daddy
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730636

    Florida Derby- Orb, Itsmyluckday
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730668

    Louisiana Derby Revolutionary, Mylute, Palice Malice, Golden Soul
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730817

    UAE Derby (Dubai) Lines of Battle
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730850

    Toyota Bluegrass Stakes Java's War, Palice Malice, Charming Kitten
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2730947

    Rebel Stakes Will Take Charge, Oxbow
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2731692

    Spiral Stakes Black Onyx, Giant Finish
    http://www.coachella.com/forum/showt...=1#post2731705
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    I may skip betting this year as it ps going to be muddy as fuck. Unreal conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubesock Shakur View Post
    I may skip betting this year as it ps going to be muddy as fuck. Unreal conditions.
    It's not looking ideal. I'm just hoping the rain hits them tomorrow and maybe passes through by Saturday? Their maim track will dry up i quickly if it has a few hours in the sun. Very few, if any of the entrants have any kind of experience on a wet track, so this should put them on an even playing field.
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    #1 Black Onyx has been scratched this morning. There will only be 19 horses entered in the Derby now. Will delete him from the Spiral Stakes post shortly.
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    Last year, I had two clear favorites who I thought would win the race. They came in 1st and 2nd. It made betting a little easier. This year, I have a problem. I have three favorites who Iím kinda certain might win the race and by no means Iím confident they come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
    Hereís what Iíve got.

    Tier 1 (clear winners)
    Orb, Verrazano, and Goldencents

    Tier 2 (got plenty of distance in them and love to close, would have better records in longer races):
    Normandy Invasion and Revolutionary

    Tier 3: (slightly slower than Normandy Invasion and Revolutionary
    Javaís war, Vyjack, and Charming Kitten

    Tier 4: (can keep up, but never takes the lead)
    Giant Finish, Itsmyluckyday, Palace Malice

    Tier 5: (never really dominated and have little chance against this field)
    Falling Sky, Oxbow, Mylute

    Tier 6: (No chance)
    Golden Soul, Frac Daddy, Overanalyze, Will Take Charge

    Tier 7: (Who the fuck knows)
    Lines of Battle

    Betting Strategy to follow shortly
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    A very safe trifecta bet with my top three for 1st & 2nd and Revolutionary, Normandy Invasion, Vyjack, and Charming Kitten for third place:
    • 8,14,16 / 8,14,16 / 3,5,8,14,15,16,20
    • $30


    A couple trifectas sprinkling in my two long(er) shots Charming Kitten and Vyjack for 1st and 2nd against my three favorites
    • 8,14,16 / 15,20 / 8,14,16
    • 15,20 / 8,14,16 / 8,14,16
    • $12 each ($24 total)


    A superfecta with the same horses mentioned above:
    • 8,14,16 / 8,14,16 / 3,5,8,14,16,19 / 3,5,8,14,16,19
    • $72


    Will likely cover some additional bases in the morning.
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    Ended up splitting a crazy superfecta with some friends:

    $945
    12,14,16 / 5,8,12,14,16,19 / 3,5,8,12,14,16,17,19,20 / 2,3,5,8,9,12,14,15,16,17,19,20
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayaDelWes View Post
    Official Mint Julep
    2 cups sugar
    2 cups water
    Sprigs of fresh mint
    Crushed ice
    2 oz Kentucky Bourbon
    2 CUPS of sugar to 2 OUNCES of bourbon? Tell me that's a typo.

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