Patrick this thread was a noble attempt to provoke intelligent, thoughtful debate. Instead we get a bunch of barbarian wanna-bes for whom life is just one long mediocre sitcom episode.
PUNISHMENT FOR THE CRIMINALS COMES TO COACHELLA!!!
My photo posts were far more thoughtful and insightful than just about anything else in this thread.
Woozel said some people don't deserve to live. I posted concentration camp detainees as an example of one group of people that a government once thought exactly that about. He said he didn't want to pay for incarceration. I posted a picture of Mr Burns as another greedy bastard who would have the same opinion.
Deciding who gets to live and who gets to die should not be up to the state.
Paying for prisons and jails is part of the price of maintaining a civilized society.
Save your intelligence, nobility and thoughtfulness for your real life encounters and cut this holier than thou act. We all have our thoughts and opinions on this extremely controversial topic; maybe some of us express them better outside of music festival message boards.
'life is just one long mediocre sitcom episode' I find humour in humanity's struggle to justify what is right and what is wrong.
Rhythm is a dancer.
Sociopaths are too stupid or too disconnected or too crazy to be fearful. The whole notion of capital punishment as a deterrent is silly in this respect. Anyone who is in a position of considering killing another person isn't going to stop and say "oh, wait, if I do this, then I might be caught, tried, convicted, and executed"
Rhythm is a dancer.
Rhythm is a dancer.
Stop being douchey for the sake of doucheyness; you're an intelligent enough guy-why troll when you can state your opinion?
I agree with the idea of the death penalty but find the system that does the determining and executing too flawed to warrant allowing it to continue. What are the guidelines? Who draws the line? Story of two men-both kill someone. One gets the death penalty and one gets out in 20 years. Same end result, two different verdicts. Who lives and who dies shouldn't boil down to an American Idol-style decision.
Like Steve said, if anyone did something heinous to my child, I'd kill them with my bare hands without even considering the ramifications.
It also touched on certain things that people attribute a reduction in crime to, but those things may not necessarily have much of an impact. The death penalty was mentioned and I believe the finding was that it is not actually much of a deterrent. The authors compared crime statistics in states that use capital punishment to states that don't. I think they also compared stats within the states themselves. Before capital punishment vs after capital punishment. It was pretty interesting.
I know there are tons of variables for this type of study. The people who did this study controlled for certain things, but I can't remember what off the top of my head. That probably wasn't much help to you, it's good food for thought. I'm not sure if the death penalty is as much of a crime deterrent as many people are led to believe.
Poverty is definitely one of the major sources of the problem.
That's why the Roe v. Wade theory interested me. The theory is that most abortions occur in situations of poverty. So the child who would've grown up in poverty and, conceivably, would've been more likely to end up as a criminal just ended up not existing. The pool of potential criminals just went down at the point which those people would've been in their late teens and early 20's (the ages thought to be the "prime" for criminal activity).
So if you're pro life then you're pro crime*.
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If you're gonna insist they remain alive after killing 2-3 people cold blooded, then maybe the states need to devise a system that contains them all together without the bars between them and let them try to survive in their own little society of killers. Chances are pretty good you wouldn't need executions, they would take care of themselves in that department.
And, sorry, but your statement about maintaining a civilized society by paying for prisons and jails? Maybe for your drug offenders or thieves. They may have something to offer society if they get rehabilitated. Unfortunately, between the over crowding already, and then those that will feed off the system until they die, that rehabilitation remains out of financial reach...
Its like the Infinite Monkey Theorem, if you put X amount of monkeys in a room with a typewriter and ask them to give you Shakespeare 99% of them will fling their shit at you while the other 1% will masturbate in the corner.
I don't know Tom. Tensions are starting to rise a bit, thanks in no small part to you.
Another situation. What about dangerous dictators? Do you agree with Saddam Hussein's execution? For people who don't believe in the death sentence, do you think Hitler should have been executed had he been caught alive?
Re: The death penalty as a deterrent.
Desperate people don't often think about consequences. I think Tom may have the right mindset with this.