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    Merzbow fucking sucks, and this laptop bullshit he's doing just makes him suck even more. Only pretentious assholes could think laptop music is cool. Whoopty fucking doo, he can multi-layer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassonaBlackEyes View Post
    he can multi-layer.
    You are clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmgaretjax View Post
    You are clueless.
    i'm pretty sure merzbow layers multiple tracks when he does his laptop shit


    if not then he can get a whole lot louder

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassonaBlackEyes View Post
    Merzbow fucking sucks, and this laptop bullshit he's doing just makes him suck even more. Only pretentious assholes could think laptop music is cool. Whoopty fucking doo, he can multi-layer.
    This guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MassonaBlackEyes View Post
    i'm pretty sure merzbow layers multiple tracks when he does his laptop shit
    At least there is suggestion in this post that you don't know what you are talking about. A lot of processing involves multiple layers... But you are over simplifying things. Merzbow uses a handful of different techniques that involve algorithmic processing with his digital shit. Some of this processing involves multilayering, others don't. What's not happening is what you are implying, simple layered track playback.

    There is a tendency to dismiss laptop music (forget about not caring for Merzbow), but the reality is that a computer can be an instrument. Just like any instrument, it can be used poorly and wonderfully. But it's past the point of simple playback...
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    Declawed Yellow Swans tape I picked up the other day:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?ddotjtnfnvi

    Great stuff.

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    Cool. Those guys are always good. Although I always felt slightly disappointed at their shows since they usually only played for 15-20 min.

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    Yeah. It was always that way. Although, I went to their last show in Seattle and they stopped at 25... The crowd wasn't going to have it though and wouldn't let them leave (in the round) and they played another 15.

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    I've been wanting to get into noise music, because my friend and I tend to make a lot of what I imagine is considered noise music when we jam out together.

    I bought tickets to that thing Courtney mentioned in the Art Thread. This is probably another good place to post it:

    A Fantastic World Superimposed on Reality: A Select History of Experimental Music
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    Friday, November 20 - Saturday, November 21, 8:00pm

    A mini-festival of noise music curated by visual artist Mike Kelley. Born in a suburb of Detroit in 1954, Mike Kelley was brought up with the city’s music scene, which spawned bands such as Iggy and the Stooges and MC5. In 1973, Kelley formed his own band, the now seminal Destroy All Monsters. “A Fantastic World” continues Kelley’s continued interest in musical subcultures and focuses specifically on avant-garde music and sound art that employs elements such as cacophony, dissonance, and atonality.

    JOAN LA BARBARA, JOHN CAGE, TONY CONRAD, DESTROY ALL MONSTERS, JAD FAIR & LUMBEROB, FRED FRITH, FLUXUS, ARTO LINDSAY, MAX NEUHAUS, GENESIS BREYER P.ORRIDGE, STOCKHAUSEN, Z’EV, THURSTON MOORE AND RYAN SAWYER, CHRISTIAN MARCLAY AND SHELLEY HIRSCH, JOHN DUNCAN, JOHN ZORN AND MORE.

    Staged over two days, the festival will present both historic works from artists such as John Cage, Fred Frith, Fluxus, Bruce Nauman, and Max Neuhaus as well as performances by contemporary proponents of experimental music including Airway, Joan La Barbara, Tony Conrad, Jad Fair & Lumberob, Arto Lindsay, Genesis Breyer P.Orridge, z’ev, and John Zorn.

    Curated by Mike Kelley. Organized and co-curated with Mark Beasley. Produced and presented by Performa.

    Nov. 20 and Nov. 21, 6pm – midnight

    Tickets: $30 One Day / $50 Both Days / $25 Performa Members One Day / $40 Performa Members Both Days
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    Why does this always become a discussion about Merzbow? Merzbow is an artist, not a musician.

    Noise in music, to me, is analogous to spicy food. A layer of noise adds texture and complexity which can be savoured long after the melodies run out of steam.

    In shoegaze specifically, a sweet innocent melody coming out of a vast angry cacaphony of noise is sometimes heartwrenching, and universally symbolic.

    I also just really like the sound a jazzmaster makes when pushed through an overdriven tube amp.
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    best noise i've heard in a while. They also put on a great show...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JebusLives View Post
    Merzbow is an artist, not a musician
    Clarify this. First, he plays traditional instruments in many of his releases... Second, are you asserting that what he releases should not be considered music?

    I ask because I'm not really sure what you are getting at.

    Also, you should check out the Yellow Swans cassette I posted. Their music resonates with me in a way that is similar to shoegaze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmgaretjax View Post
    Clarify this. First, he plays traditional instruments in many of his releases... Second, are you asserting that what he releases should not be considered music?
    If there is no rhythm, no key, and no real notes, it isn't music in my mind. It is sound. A child banging on a piano isn't music. A jet airplane taking off isn't music. Mixing the afformentioned on a laptop in order to evoke a particular emotional response is an audio performance, but it isn't music.

    That's just my opinion.

    I will check out your link as soon as I get home!
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    So you wouldn't consider Brian Eno's ambient work as music either?

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    Let it be known that this is no longer classified music.
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    To avoid confusion
    *Vol. 1 (85-92) is still classified as music because there is a discernible beat and Melody.
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    That's one of my favorite non-albums to unlisten to.

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    A lot of that stuff is actually in a key. Notes exist. Chord progressions resolve occasionally to reward the listener.

    Anyway I agree it is a fine line, and there is no real reason to argue over different case studies because... who gives a fuck?
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    A lack of constant tempo or rhythm does not mean that there isn't rhythm at all. Arhythm isn't non-ryhthm. But yeah. Who give a fuck. That's not a question. Because I said so.

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    So, anyone heard any good noise bands lately? Doesn't autolux have something coming out?

    ...

    or are we just talking about the really pretentious stuff?
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    doesn't have to be the "pretentious" stuff.

    I got my Boredoms 7" today. Jared, we're gonna do a trade methinks. I'll bring that up if you can get me a good rip of the Boretronix vinyl you have. Because these two tracks are absolutely monstrous good times.
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    Yo. I found a rip of it somewhere earlier yesterday. The b side is monstrous. I love it. But I already have a rip of the boretronix vinyl I just need to cut up. I'll get it to you. I also have rips of the first 3 boretronix cassettes that I can get to you. Fuck, I can post all of that in this thread. It's severely limited, out of print, non copyrighted stuff anyway.

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    Funny, I actually just listened to Yellow Swans for the first time ever last week. I had downloaded them a long time ago but for whatever reason never wanted to listen until just now. I guess I just thought they wouldn't be my thing. Turns out they fucking are.
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    Check out At All Ends, Descension, and Psychic Secession.

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    Jared/bmack - either of you ever see them live?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuyCM View Post
    Jared/bmack - either of you ever see them live?
    Yellow Swans or Boredoms? I've seen both. Yellow Swans many times. Boredoms once on the last full US tour and then again at ATP. Both experiences were pretty much life changing.

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    I never saw Yellow Swans, but I've now seen Boredoms 5 times, 2 of them Boadrum sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JebusLives View Post
    really pretentious stuff?
    Ha ha. The whole straight noise scene is built on distributing shitty cassette tapes (i just picked one up one that is "Top Arab Hits" spray painted over). There are CDRs too now, but still shitloads of tapes. And it's just dudes fucking around with electronics and instruments and dubbing tapes over and over and painting or printing hand made sleeves. It's about as far from pretentious as it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmgaretjax View Post
    Yellow Swans or Boredoms? I've seen both. Yellow Swans many times. Boredoms once on the last full US tour and then again at ATP. Both experiences were pretty much life changing.
    That's awesome. And yeah I meant Yellow Swans.
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