I love The Kinks. I'm not too familiar with the band members themselves though. Are they all still alive? Would love to see them tour.
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I guess since you quoted me at the onset, I should post something. I feel great resentment toward the Beatles because they embody the boomer generation's monopoly on culture. People 50 and younger are constantly being reminded that no generation can ever transcend the greatness that was 60s youth culture. This is bullshit.
Ultimately the Beatles wrote quite a number of very catchy songs. They have easy to remember lyrics are they're fun to sing along to. This is why the songs still appeal especially to young children, and I'll probably begrudgingly play them for my kids some day. Yes, I know they had a more experimental phase later on. Whoop de do; so has every other band. It was still, ultimately, radio-friendly pop music. Great artists evolve and grow their craft by studying the masters. These guys never even learned to read music.
Not to derail the thread though - I think this is great! I've always wanted to dig back to the early stuff, but didn't know where to start.
Composers whose body of work is limited by traditional notation in this day and age are already irrelevant... If anyone tries to bring up Phillip Glass, Steve Reich (composers who are actually incredibly reactionary and entirely non-experimental in this arena) or any other typically regarded hack, they will be smacked.
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EDIT: While I do enjoy The Kinks tremendously, I don't think I can honestly say I think they were better than the Beatles. They share similar traits, but execute them entirely different. The Kinks took risks and their sound changed over the years. The Beatles definitely played things safe, but for as popular as the Beatles were, I do think they took slight risks. Risks that todays pop acts would never get away with while maintaining such popularity.
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And jesus christ, you make it sound like Beatles tunes were just too far out to be constrained by notation. We're talking about a B flat major, verse-chorus-verse pop band, not fucking Aphex Twin.
The origin of musical notation lies in limitations in the ability to reproduce music. The minute you could record music, musical notation began to die. It still has it's uses in elaborate orchestral music because of economics and efficiency, but the reality is that if not for dinosaurs in music education, better alternatives who have arisen a long time ago.
Seriously, the fact that we've essentially gone from John Cage and Xenakis -> Philip Glass as the major theoretical thinkers in musical education is insane.
What is going on is that up until now I have listened to the Beatles 14 times more than I have listened to the Kinks and 38 times more than I have listened to the Byrds and those numbers are way out of whack. The Beatles are certainly neither 14 times better than the Kinks nor 38 times better thank the Byrds. I am working to balance the scales by cutting off the Beatles for a while.
[I made up those numbers and did so for only two bands for illustrative purposes. I am not measuring anything here quantitatively.]
Kinda Kinks is my favorite Kinks album... Is that bad? To be honest, I'm not as familiar with their work as I should be.
edit: oh and pancakes, i assumed the dinosaurs bit was a reference to what i said. heh...
Sweetheart of the Rodeo is more countrified, it is the only album with Gram Parsons in the band. It is their 6th album.
I might point one towards Younger than Yesterday or The Notorious Byrd Brothers (their 4th and 5th albums) which are more psychedelic folk.