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[suprefan]

**SPOILERS**

GSP knocked out Lesnar
Bisping submits Mir
Benoit beats Misawa by rear-naked choke until Misawa's neck snaps
Tyson and Ali battle to a draw

Hahahaha you wish.

[marooko]

we'll see after he tramples all the wannabes on the next season of Ultimate Fighter...

i don't know if you've noticed, but Dana White goes with what draws, not who's the best fighter...

no shit.

kimbo is a hack. sure, he's a draw, mainly because internet fan boys like yourself, watch all his utoob crap. but there is no way in hell he wins on the show.

[bluemamba]

Damn thats sad news about Arturo Gatti. He must have been involved in something.

[buddy]

His wife is a suspect now.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4322072

Police detain Gatti's wife as suspect
SAO PAULO -- The wife of former boxing champion Arturo Gatti was detained as a suspect by Brazilian authorities Sunday following his death at a posh seaside resort.

Police said 23-year-old Amanda Rodrigues was taken into custody after contradictions in her interrogation. Gatti's body was found early Saturday in a hotel room at the Porto de Galinhas resort in northeastern Brazil.

The former junior welterweight champion was apparently strangled with the strap of a purse, which was found at the scene with blood stains, said Milena Saraiva, a spokeswoman for the Pernambuco state civil police. She told The Associated Press that the Canadian also had a head injury.

The investigation was not complete, but Saraiva said authorities were preparing to present a formal accusation against Rodrigues, who denied being involved in her husband's death.

Police said Rodrigues, a Brazilian, could not explain how she spent nearly 10 hours in the room without noticing that Gatti was already dead.

Police were investigating witness reports that the couple fought and Gatti was drunk when he returned to his room Friday night, Saraiva said, adding that police were told the pair were extremely jealous of each other and that he constantly complained of her clothing when she traveled to Brazil.

Acelino "Popo" Freitas, a four-time world champion Brazilian boxer, told Globo TV's Web site on Saturday that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife and that he "knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate."

The couple's 1-year-old son, who was unhurt, was with Rodrigues' sister, Saraiva said.

The 37-year-old Gatti, whose epic trilogy with Micky Ward branded him one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, retired in 2007 with a career record of 40-9 and 31 knockouts.

Known for his straightforward punching and granite-like chin, Gatti captured the junior welterweight title in 1995, when he defeated Tracy Harris Patterson in Atlantic City.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

[suprefan]

[anti-square]

That knockout was pretty ridiculous. RIP Gatti

[ADGZ662]

1. R.I.P to Arturo Gatti. In boxing they always use the term heart if a fighter overcomes obstacles that present themselves in the ring during a fight, you Gatti were the definition of having the biggest heart in a fight!



2. UFC 100 was great last night considering the high expectations that card had good stuff.

[ADGZ662]

This is one of My favorite fight of Gatti what he lacked in skill he made up for it with his heart and determination.



Gatti vs Ward one of the greatest trilogies ever!

[buddy]

they officially charged his wife now. gatti was fighter with a great heart, they don't come around often. it was great as a fan of boxing watching the gatti-ward battles. anybody who hasn't seen it give it try.

[ADGZ662]

From Doghouse boxing's website

Police getting ready to charge Arturo Gatti's wife with premeditated murder!
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By Johnny Benz, Benz Report for Doghouse Boxing (July 12, 2009)
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UPDATE: Brazilian authorities have charged the wife of slain former boxing champ Arturo Gatti with her husband's murder, police said.

Brazilian Police have held a press conference and are preparing to charge Arturo Gatti's wife, Amanda Rodrigues, with premeditated murder of her husband. Police believe that Gatti's wife killed her husband by strangulation after he had passed out in a drunken state. Gatti, 37, was found dead yesterday at a posh hotel room in the resort of Porto de Galihnas. Police found Gatti's body with blood on the neck and back of his head.

Police first became suspicious of Gatti's wife due to inconsistencies in her story of the events. Rodrigues denies she had anything to do with her husband's death, telling Police that she awoke early in the morning (July 11) and then found her husband dead. She found her husband with an injury to the back of his head and strangulation marks on his neck. She also told police her and her Husband got into a fight after leaving a bar Friday night and he had pushed her to the ground.

At the crime scene, Police took as evidence her Purse. Police took the purse to test the strap, which they found with blood on it.

Police think that Gatti's wife first tried to kill him using a kitchen knife to the back of his head while he was passed out. The injury to the back of his head was not enough to kill him. Police then believe she strangled her husband to death with the strap on her purse.

Gatti's wife is claiming she is innocent and that someone else entered the room and killed her Husband. Police find that senario highly unlikely as the Hotel room could only be accessed my a magnetic strip card. A Police officer working the case stated: "It is humanly impossible, because access to the room is done only with a magnetic card. The apartment is on the second floor, and only has one window, and it would be necessary to climb in order to come in."

The Police investigation is still not complete, but authorities are preparing to present a formal accusation against Rodrigues. Police said Rodrigues could not explain how she spent nearly 10 hours in the room before noticing her husband was dead. Police are also still investigating witness reports that the couple fought and Gatti was drunk when he returned to his room Friday night. According to reports, Police were told the pair were extremely jealous of one another and Gatti complained often about the kind of clothes she wore when she travelled to her home country, Brazil.

[menikmati]

I don't follow the UFC or MMA in general very much....but who out there would/still can pose a serious threat to Lesnar?

[dorkfish]

Well, anyone in the active heavy weight division has a puncher's chance to beat Lesnar. Dana White's going to throw millions to try and woo Fedor Emelianenko to sign a contract for a few UFC fights to go against Lesnar, so he's the current most likely threat. Mirko Cro Cop always has a chance, but fared poorly in UFC and fled overseas.

[marooko]

he may come back. lorenzo went to visit him. (mirko) and yeah, fedor will most likely crush him. also, if they let shane carwin and cain velasquez get a couple more fights in, they'll give him a good go as well. mr. congo would give him as good go around if he had anything for takedown defense.

[suprefan]

I don't follow the UFC or MMA in general very much....but who out there would/still can pose a serious threat to Lesnar?

Fedor.

[dorkfish]

I'm pretty much 50/50 on my desire to see Lesnar or Fedor crush the other. Either's loss would be beneficial to my joy. Best case scenario is Lesnar winning a split decision, so they can set up a grudge match later on with purpose.

Shane Carwin stands a good chance against Lesnar. I'd say the same for Gonzaga if Carwin hadn't made him look silly in the last fight.

[menikmati]

okay yeah, that Fedor dude would kill Lesnar. Brock is big and all, but I don't think he has any great skill yet as a fighter.

[boboso]

Fedor is great but his wrestling is not the best and both Lindland and Randleman have exposed that in the past. Neither of them were huge guys like Lesner and both were able to get Fedor down pretty easily. The only thing they weren't able to do was keep him down and I think if he fought Lesner he will have a tough time getting up.

I think people are skipping over the fact that he is fighting Josh Barnett in a few weeks and he can truly lose this fight. Josh is a great wrestler that can GnP and Fedor has trouble against those type of fighters.

[BlueDevil50]

i still miss andrei arlovski....i really thought that dude would be a force for years.

[Distorted_Jungle]

Lesnar may be a good wrestler but only due to the unfair size advantage, it doesn't take any skill at all to throw your massive body on someone and constantly throw hammer fists. The UFC needs to make a super heavyweight class and put Brock in there and find other fighters to be in that class as well. Brock wouldn't stand with Mir, any time they were standing they were both landing some good punches but Mir was looking a lot better. The knee right before the take down that ended the fight was nice and so were the punches right before it, but in all honesty Brock is gonna be a hard person to beat for anyone unless Brock has the balls to stay standing the entire time which he will never do. How do you wrestle against that? I would like to see him fight Gabriel Gonzaga for some reason, i think it's the size thing because Gonzaga is pretty damn big himself, but i hope someone beats Brock Lesnar soon because i fuckin hate that guy.

[JustSteve]

the point is to win the match, not stand up and fight to make it a better show for the fans.

[marooko]

okay yeah, that Fedor dude would kill Lesnar. Brock is big and all, but I don't think he has any great skill yet as a fighter.

bingo. this last fight really showed that.

Fedor is great but his wrestling is not the best and both Lindland and Randleman have exposed that in the past. Neither of them were huge guys like Lesner and both were able to get Fedor down pretty easily. The only thing they weren't able to do was keep him down and I think if he fought Lesner he will have a tough time getting up.

I think people are skipping over the fact that he is fighting Josh Barnett in a few weeks and he can truly lose this fight. Josh is a great wrestler that can GnP and Fedor has trouble against those type of fighters.

a agree with the wrestling aspect, but what was the outcome of those fights? and can you believe the guy is even alive after that slam randleman (landolin) gave him. jesus? i watch part of the fujita fight as well, i thought he was going down. the guy is fierce.

the point is to win the match, not stand up and fight to make it a better show for the fans.

hence the name, MMA. it kills me to hear fighters say "i didnt come here to wrestle." well if you came to box, you're in the wrong place.

[Distorted_Jungle]

the point is to win the match, not stand up and fight to make it a better show for the fans.

I understand the point of it and why he did it, that's the only way he will ever win. The only thing i am saying is it sucks for all the fighters out there with more talent and skill to have to go up against someone with no talent and no skill who just lays on top of them with an unfair size advantage. Brock does the only thing he knows how to do, and it wins but you can't say the fact that there was a 20 pound difference between him and Mir didn't help Brock at all. I just think it's odd how the difference between every other weight class is 20 pounds but for heavyweight the gap is from 206 lbs. to 265 lbs. That means in the heavyweight division you are allowed a 60 lb wight difference and i just think they should draw the line somewhere and make a super heavywieght class. I guess all i'm saying is in my personal opinion Brock Lesnar is like a sideshow freak in the UFC, thus he should have a weight class for people like that.

Edit: and for those that don't know, the fight where brock defeated Randy Couture Brock Lesnar weighed in at nearly 280 and Randy at 220. That sound pretty fair to me when in every other weight class when you don't make weight and you are trying to go for a title shot, they take the title shot away and it becomes a regular fight. I guess to get a crowd drawer and a circus freak into the UFC they will do anything to make him champ huh.

[boboso]

Lesnar may be a good wrestler but only due to the unfair size advantage, it doesn't take any skill at all to throw your massive body on someone and constantly throw hammer fists.

Lesnar has a NCAA record of 106–5 against guys around the same size of him. So he might be a better wrestler then you give him credit for.

[marooko]

Edit: and for those that don't know, the fight where brock defeated Randy Couture Brock Lesnar weighed in at nearly 280 and Randy at 220. That sound pretty fair to me when in every other weight class when you don't make weight and you are trying to go for a title shot, they take the title shot away and it becomes a regular fight. I guess to get a crowd drawer and a circus freak into the UFC they will do anything to make him champ huh.

I didn't realize that. Will have to look in to that.

edit: everything i saw says 265.

mmafrenzy, mania and the LA times.

[Distorted_Jungle]

I would consider this a fair fight involving Brock Lesnar


Bobby Lashley-about 275 Lbs.




VS.

Brock Lesnar-About 275 Lbs.

[Distorted_Jungle]

I didn't realize that. Will have to look in to that.

edit: everything i saw says 265.

mmafrenzy, mania and the LA times.

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/...ory?id=4276970

Lesnar is due credit for defeating Randy Couture, but he weighed nearly 280 pounds to Couture's 220 on fight night. Couture is a strong, capable athlete, but depositing a 60-pound block on your opponent's chest is not necessarily a triumph of the highest order.

[boboso]

Lesnar weighed 280 the day of the fight and 265 at the weigh-in. The NSAC would have taked 10 or 15% of Lesnars purse and the title shot if he wouldn't have made weight.

[Distorted_Jungle]

Lesnar has a NCAA record of 106–5 against guys around the same size of him. So he might be a better wrestler then you give him credit for.

I am judging by what he has done in the UFC not when he was a wrestler, i will admit he did knock Randy out standing but the weight difference i think still plays a big factor in a lot of it.

[marooko]

oh, gotcha. i though he "didn't" make weight. yeah, he walks in there at a massive fucking weight. and if its a title shot and you dont make weight, im pretty sure they takle the title off the line. non-titles they do the purse deal.

[boboso]

Weight makes a difference in MMA that is why you have to also have skill to fight the weight difference. Wanderlei Silva was a small 205 pounder and he was to beat Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight that were much bigger then him because he was more skillfull then them. Machida is a small 205 pounder and he is the UFC champ. Same with BJ Penn when he won the 170 pound belt from Matt Hughes.