The Official Boxing/MMA thread

[marooko]

GSP/Alves is the best fight on the card and should probably go the distance unless Alves gets some kind of crazy KO early on.

i pretty close to 100% agree. I think GSP could finish him. just dont know that he will.

Lesnar/Mir is a freak show fight. I kind of expect it to go pretty quickly. Mir's gotten older since their last fight, and he looked old then (victory withstanding). Lesnar is probably smart enough to avoid basic submissions, so I just see him getting some kind of standing KO on Mir.

i was really sad when Mir broke his leg. i never thought he'd be back. was thrilled when he returned, only to look horrible. until the Nogueira fight. but even then, he looked really slow.

Henderson should be fun to watch, because, as I believe you noted, he's a monster. Plus he was one of the first guys to KO Silva with his fists after Silva's career got going.

ive been hating on him for a while because of that knock out. hahha. but yeah, a beast.

As for the GSP scandal, even Dana White's backed down from calling him a cheater. He was wiped down in-between rounds when they suspected that there was Vaseline on his back. They found none. He pounded BJ's (admittedly, the back of) head in.

if BJ was able to close his guard, and then slipped out, i could see this being a factor (the "grease"). but the guys legs could barely even reach around GSP.

[DJdharma]

The GSP grease thing is really bad. I couldn't belive GSP's coach Greg Jackson claimed that the guy with the vasiline was an "energy doctor" (read witch doctor) who was performing a mid fight ritual. Is GSP still training with Jacksons camp?

MMA>UFC like Cosmos>Galaxy. Dana's just a squirell trying to get a nut. And don't forget the Fertita brothers. Thats where the UFC's money and power really come from.

It's also unfortunate that there have been a number of good fighters that have been blackballed (no thats not a reference to bruising caused by a low blow).

If I won the lottery, I would become a promoter. I would promote MMA fights on friday, and on saturday raves, so everyone could make-up.

[ADGZ662]

also, did you see that fight? show me where that came in to play.

I THINK RIGHT 'BOUT AT THIS MOMENT HERE:

[JClemy]

The problem is that if Dana white hadn't come along there would be far less exposure of the sport. He's a businessman and he treats the UFC as a business. It's good and bad. I think that it's good the publicity they have given MMA has worked.

The problem with things like M-1 is that they do silly things like Fedor vs. Aoki. That was cool to watch but ridiculous.

They obviously pick and choose who will be most interesting because they need people to buy it and watch. They are trying to get people who just want to watch two people beat the hell out of each other to enjoy it. That's why you hear so many people in the crowd boo when it's a technical match.

Also the GSP cheater thing was bullshit.

[ShyGuy75]

As for the GSP scandal, even Dana White's backed down from calling him a cheater. He was wiped down in-between rounds when they suspected that there was Vaseline on his back. They found none. He pounded BJ's (admittedly, the back of) head in.

found none? what were you watching? fcking noob. gsp is a cheating greaser, and anyone who doesn't see how that plays greatly into his favor while fighting on the ground shouldn't be watching or training mma in any form.

as far as dana white being the savior of mma, well, that is another great myth spread by noobs. dana was driving the ufc into the ground until spiketv came along and wanted to the reality show. dana was against the TUF reality show. he wanted them to do a show on him and the back room dealings of running the ufc. shocking, i know. well, spike tv told him to stfu, went ahead with the TUF series, which saved the UFC and mma as we know it. dana white is a fcking joke who hurts the sport more than helping it.

[JClemy]

found none? what were you watching? fcking noob. gsp is a cheating greaser, and anyone who doesn't see how that plays greatly into his favor while fighting on the ground shouldn't be watching or training mma in any form.

as far as dana white being the savior of mma, well, that is another great myth spread by noobs. dana was driving the ufc into the ground until spiketv came along and wanted to the the reality show. dana was against the TUF reality show. he wanted them to do a show on him and the back room dealings of running the ufc. shocking, i know. well, spike tv told him to stfu, went ahead with the TUF series, which saved the UFC and mma as we know it. dana white is a fcking joke who hurts the sport more than helping it.

Did you watch the GSP vs. Penn? It really didn't even go to the ground. If GSP had been as slippery as people are claiming how was he able to hold Penn against his chest and throw him? Wouldn't that work against him as well?

Dana White might not be amazing but until he took over the UFC it was getting banned in a lot of places. He worked to get it allowed in a lot of places. That helped to make MMA profitable. He's probably a bit of a dick but he does what he needs to do to make money.

[ShyGuy75]

Did you watch the GSP vs. Penn? It really didn't even go to the ground.

if i remember correctly, GSP took it to the ground every round and stayed on top of him. Penn couldn't get any sub attempts b/c GSP was greased.

[marooko]

If GSP had been as slippery as people are claiming how was he able to hold Penn against his chest and throw him? Wouldn't that work against him as well?

it was one way grease.

if i remember correctly, GSP took it to the ground every round and stayed on top of him. Penn couldn't get any sub attempts b/c GSP was greased.

when was penns' last submission from his back? thats not to say it didnt come in to play. what im trying to say, is that submissions from his back rarely, if ever, come in to play. but of coarse, had GSP not "greased", this would have been the fight penn got a sub from his back. right?

[ShyGuy75]

it was one way grease.





when was penns' last submission from his back? thats not to say it didnt come in to play. what im trying to say, is that submissions from his back rarely, if ever, come in to play. but of coarse, had GSP not "greased", this would have been the fight penn got a sub from his back. right?

he doesn't submit from his back b/c he is so dominate that he is never on his back. i guess the guy with the best ground game in mma wouldn't be able to submit someone from his back? u can't claim to watch this much mma and be this dumb on the subject.

[marooko]

get penn's cock out of your mouth so we can have a proper discussion about this.

go watch the fight again as well. there are only a couple of times where it could have possibly come in to play. and even in those cases, his legs werent even close to closing guard. not because of grease, but because his legs couldnt even reach around.

was hughes greased when he got penn on his back and pounded him out? or wait, let me guess, thats cause his ribs were hurt. thats right.

anyway, its done, he lost. again. nothing is gonna come of it, so theres no reason to continue this.

what are your picks this weekend?

[paganman7]

I think GSP intentionally cheated. He crushed the back of Penn's head, and GSP was able to evade several holds on the ground.

That said, Penn had no chance against GSP. He would have lost badly no matter what.

Alves is going to annihilate GSP. I can't wait!

Also, Lesnar is going to beat Mir by a slim margin.

[marooko]

Alves is going to annihilate GSP. I can't wait!

you really think so? i think its possible, but i dont think he will. i think GSP has like a 5in reach advantage. but, you never know. you see fights all the time where people dont know how to use their reach. but, i dont think GSP really falls in that category.

[paganman7]

GSP has size and conditioning in his favor. Alves has monstrous power and determination.

[Sushov23]

dana white is a fcking joke who hurts the sport more than helping it.

TRUTH, he even looks like a fucking idiot.

[ADGZ662]

There is a good fight in boxing on saturday too Vic "The Raging Bull" Darchinyan vs Joseph "King Kong" Agbeko it will be shown on Showtime. I hate to say it but im gonna dvr the boxing fight and watch UFC 100 live on ppv, and Darchinyan is one of the most exciting fighters in boxing today but I gotta miss it. Mainly because the house im gonna be at watching UFC 100 is were the free booze and food will be at

Darchinyan determined to upend Agbeko, seize another title

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

Darchinyan aims to take new division by storm


When Vic Darchinyan is ready to fight, there are a few things you can count on. He'll be in great shape, he'll be ultra-confident and he'll make bold predictions of pain and punishment for his opponent.



It's been no different as Darchinyan prepares to face Joseph "King Kong" Agbeko at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Fla., on Saturday (Showtime, 9 p.m. ET/PT). The one big difference, however, is that Darchinyan will be moving up to a new weight class to challenge for a title in his third division.



Darchinyan, a former flyweight titlist known as "Raging Bull," became the first fighter in the 29-year history of the junior bantamweight division to unify three major belts when he destroyed Cristian Mijares, knocking him out in the ninth round in a lopsided fight in November. In February, he punished Jorge Arce before stopping him in the 11th round.



Now Darchinyan (32-1, 26 KOs), the Armenian-born Australian, aims to conquer the bantamweight division, where Agbeko (26-1, 22 KOs), a Ghana native living in New York, stands in his way.



"I can't spend my career just defending, defending, defending," Darchinyan said. "I have to move up in weight and go after more titles. I have the power to demolish anyone. I'm going to keep moving up."





New division, new weight class? No problem for Vic Darchinyan.


As usual, the brash Darchinyan is confident that the transition to a new division won't be a problem.



"I'll be ready and I'll be stronger at 118," Darchinyan said. "Agbeko will feel my power, I promise you. He's not too much bigger than me. This will be no difference for me at all. All of my sparring partners were bigger than him."



Darchinyan is confident he'll score another big knockout.



"I'm going to give him a lesson and knock him out," he said. "I'm going to play with him and destroy him. I'll start throwing bombs in the middle rounds. I'll knock him out before the end of the 12th. Every boxer should go for the KO. I seek excitement only. I want to be exciting. I want to be one of the best in the history of boxing. That means I go for the knockout.



"I'm going to take it easy early and slow him down. I'm going to make him look stupid and knock him out."



Agbeko, however, is a tough customer. His only loss, a majority decision to Wladimir Sidorenko in Germany in 2004, was controversial. Even Darchinyan believes Agbeko won it.



"I know you are a good fighter," Darchinyan said to Agbeko during a media conference call promoting the fight. "I saw your fight against Sidorenko. You were robbed in Germany. I feel you never lost. You won that fight. I love it when my opponents have never lost."



Of course, after the compliment, Darchinyan, whose lone loss came via a one-punch fifth-round knockout to Nonito Donaire in 2005, got on Agbeko's case again, saying "I think after this fight they are going to change my opponent's name [from 'King Kong'] to Joseph 'Chimpanzee' Agbeko. This is going to be the biggest mismatch. Where would you like me to hurt you most? In the body or in the face?"

Four fights after the loss to Sidorenko, Agbeko claimed a bantamweight belt with a seventh-round knockout of Luis Perez in a one-sided fight in 2007. In his only defense, he won a thrilling decision against William Gonzalez in December.



He sounded ready to fight and a bit weary of Darchinyan's mouth.



"They call him the 'Raging Bull,' Agbeko said. "I call him the 'Raging Bulls----er."



Although Agbeko, a stablemate of ex-welterweight titlist Joshua Clottey, is softer-spoken than Darchinyan, he comes off as equally confident.



"I know I'm better than Vic Darchinyan," he said. "I know he can punch. I'm really, really ready for his punches. I know he's never been on the receiving end of someone who punches like me. Vic is always talking about his power and about how he's this and that, but I've watched a couple of his fights and I never saw that power. He's always fought guys that are afraid of him and he did what he wanted with them. But in this fight I'm going to do what I want to do and beat him the way I want. I'm going to let him do whatever he wants to do in this fight, because I can do whatever he does better than him."



In the co-feature, lightweight Antonio DeMarco (21-1-1, 15 KOs) of Mexico faces Anges Adjaho (25-1, 14 KOs) of the West African nation of Benin in a title eliminator. The winner will be the mandatory challenger for titlist Edwin Valero. Also on the card, but not part of Showtime's telecast, former cruiserweight titleholders Steve Cunningham (21-2, 11 KOs) and Wayne Braithwaite (23-3, 19 KOs) meet with a mandatory shot at champion Tomasz Adamek at stake. Cunningham lost his belt to Adamek via split decision in a December brawl, one of the year's most exciting fights, and has been seeking a rematch.

[marooko]

I hate to say it but im gonna dvr the boxing fight and watch UFC 100 live on ppv, and Darchinyan is one of the most exciting fighters in boxing today but I gotta miss it. Mainly because the house im gonna be at watching UFC 100 is were the free booze and food will be at

you're a horrible boxing fan. heres what im gonna do about this fight: im gonna forget about it before i leave work today.

im just messing with you.

why the lack of love for MMA? but you still watch.

[ADGZ662]

you're a horrible boxing fan. heres what im gonna do about this fight: im gonna forget about it before i leave work today.

im just messing with you.

why the lack of love for MMA? but you still watch.

No nono you got me all wrong, if you look back to the 1st pg on this thread I say that I hate the culture/fan boys that worship UFC/MMA and think no other combat sport holds a candle to MMA. Im a casual fan but after sayin that I think ive watched more MMA than alot of these new generation of fans ive been watching UFC since '93 and would watch alot of the Pride ppv's too years ago.

[marooko]

i see that. it kills me to see "tapout" everywhere. or to here people talking about "ultimate fighting".

"yo, you watch that UFC fighting? its fucking awesome!!" bite me.

while i think it has much potential, i also think Dana is doing it an extreme disservice. he's trying to expand the sport, but way too quick. he's gonna burn it out well before it reaches its full potential. that saddens me.

[marooko]

weigh-ins just finished up.

official results courtesy of sherdog.com


UFC 100 Weigh-in Results:
Brock Lesnar (265) vs. Frank Mir (245)
Georges St. Pierre (170) vs. Thiago Alves (170)
Jon Fitch (170) vs. Paulo Thiago (170)
Dan Henderson (185) vs. Michael Bisping (186)
Yoshihiro Akiyama (185) vs. Alan Belcher (186)
Mark Coleman (205) vs. Stephan Bonnar (205)
Mac Danzig (154) vs. Jim Miller (155)
Jon Jones (206) vs. Jake O'Brien (206)
Dong Hyun Kim (171) vs. T.J. Grant (170)
CB Dollaway (186) vs. Tom Lawlor (184)
Matt Grice (155) vs. Shannon Gugerty (156)

[JClemy]

i see that. it kills me to see "tapout" everywhere. or to here people talking about "ultimate fighting".

"yo, you watch that UFC fighting? its fucking awesome!!" bite me.

while i think it has much potential, i also think Dana is doing it an extreme disservice. he's trying to expand the sport, but way too quick. he's gonna burn it out well before it reaches its full potential. that saddens me.

I totally agree. So many douches in Tapout or Affliction. That's really the reason I am hesitant to join or try MMA. My friend got his nose broken by one of those douches who went full out during sparring.

I think GSP is going to win but I think it's going to be a long fight. I think it will go to the end. I have to go make my picks at MMAplayground.com. Have you guys seen that?

My picks:
GSP
Henderson
Mir
Bonnar
Jones
Fitch
Akiyama
Dolloway
Grant

[nbvwes]

fights in 2010 i can't WAIT for:

GSP vs Anderson Silva

Brock Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice

mayweather vs pacquiao

the difference? MMA lacks choreographed/staged fights.

there have DEF been some semi-worked UFC fights...

UFC 100 :
Brock Lesnar (265) vs. Frank Mir (245)
Georges St. Pierre (170) vs. Thiago Alves (170)
Dan Henderson (185) vs. Michael Bisping (186)

i think/hope Brock will beat Mir this time

i think GSP will win

i think Bisping will win too (but i would love to see his face get smashed in!)




i would LOVE to see a match between Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida (but it would take a catchweight fight or one of them changing weight)... for that matter, a REAL interesting fight to determine which is more important size or skill, would be a fight between Machida & Lesnar, non-title, ignoring weight difference, just to see what would happen...

[dorkfish]

Brock Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice
mayweather vs pacquiao

I doubt that either of these occur in 2010. The former fight will probably never occur.

[JClemy]

i would LOVE to see a match between Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida (but it would take a catchweight fight or one of them changing weight)... for that matter, a REAL interesting fight to determine which is more important size or skill, would be a fight between Machida & Lesnar, non-title, ignoring weight difference, just to see what would happen...

I love watching Machida fight. He's a beast when he attacks but no can touch him when he's on his guard.

[nbvwes]

I doubt that either of these occur in 2010. The former fight will probably never occur.

you don't think the winner of the next season of Ultimate Fighter would draw against the UFC Heavyweight Champion? i'm not saying it'll be Kimbo's first fight after Ultimate Fighter, but i could see toward the end of the year, maybe his 2nd... Lesnar got a Heavyweight Title shot after a record of 1-1, just sayin'.. it be big bucks, no matter what..

*edit: and Anderson Silva got a title shot after a record of 1-0... so yeah.

[marooko]

dude, you cant be fucking serious. kimbo isnt even gonna win. he doesnt belong in the UFC, and any fights he has in there will prove that. lesnar doesnt even belong there, IMO. but he has at least beaten some quality fighters.

see, its folks like this that rave about fighters like kimbo, that are ruining this sport. kimno should have never been propped up the way he was.

[buddy]

gatti-ward battles are gonna go down as a one of the greatest trilogies in boxing. sad news.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4321150

Reports: Foul play suspected in deathComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

Former champion Arturo Gatti has been found dead in northeastern Brazil on Saturday, several media outlets are reporting.

Gatti, 37, was on a second honeymoon with his wife and 10-month-old baby, the CBC reported. Gatti's blood-stained body was found in an apartment in Porto de Galinhas, Brazilian police say.

A police investigation is underway and foul play is suspected, the CBC reported.

Gatti, who was raied in Montreal, was one of the most successful Canadian boxers in history. He started his professional career in 1991 at age 19.

He won the United States Boxing Association junior lightweight title and successfully defended it twice and International Boxing Federation's world junior lightweight title.

Gatti (40-9, 31 KOs) was best known for his all-action style, which was epitomized in his classic trilogy with Micky Ward in 2002 and 2003.

It's why Gatti was a fixture at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., where he drew huge crowds and fought many times, including the final nine fights of his career.

In his first fight after the Ward trilogy -- which Gatti won 2-1 -- he captured a world title in his second division, outpointing Gianluca Branco for the vacant WBC junior welterweight title.

Gatti made two defenses before losing it to Floyd Mayweather Jr. via sixth-round TKO in June 2005. He returned to defeat Thomas Damgaard but lost his final two bouts, a ninth-round TKO in a challenge to then-welterweight champion Carlos Baldomir in July 2006 followed by a one-sided beating from former "Contender" star Alfonso Gomez in July 2007.

In the dressing room following the seventh-round knockout loss to Gomez, Gatti announced his retirement.

He had been working in real estate in Montreal following his retirement, but still attended fights, as he did in April for the Timothy Bradley-Kendall Holt junior welterweight unification bout at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

ESPN.com boxing writer Dan Rafael contributed to this report.

[Xenocide]

dude, you cant be fucking serious. kimbo isnt even gonna win. he doesnt belong in the UFC, and any fights he has in there will prove that. lesnar doesnt even belong there, IMO. but he has at least beaten some quality fighters.

see, its folks like this that rave about fighters like kimbo, that are ruining this sport. kimno should have never been propped up the way he was.

we'll see after he tramples all the wannabes on the next season of Ultimate Fighter...

i don't know if you've noticed, but Dana White goes with what draws, not who's the best fighter...

[Westy]

Predictions for UFC 100:

Coleman win with KO/TKO
Bisping/Henderson DRAW
Alves win with KO/TKO
Mir win with armbar or leg lock

Edit: any of these fights could go either way.

[bananapiratez]

**SPOILERS**

GSP knocked out Lesnar
Bisping submits Mir
Benoit beats Misawa by rear-naked choke until Misawa's neck snaps
Tyson and Ali battle to a draw

[BlueDevil50]

Predictions for UFC 100:

Coleman win with KO/TKO
Bisping/Henderson DRAW
Alves win with KO/TKO
Mir win with armbar or leg lock

Edit: any of these fights could go either way.

how dare you go against GSP and henderson...fuck bisping and his tea and crumpets.