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Shut up.
Whats your major? Chem, Engineering, Bio? I think I might be in the same level of math as you right now. I have the current math, then at CSUF Math 150A & 150B.
I tried to place into them, but missed it by 3 points. Fuck the fat bitch in the math department. GET OFF YOUR FUCKING CHAIR AND EXERCISE YOU CUNT!
See I disagree with this and here's why. If what you said were true, then people in Bora Bora would have come up with different premises and rules than people in Leipzig. They'd have a different mathematics with different results. In actuality, while one culture may be further along than another in the understanding of mathematics, what mathematics they do have in common is the same -- they agree with each other. It's not 2+2=4 in one place and 2+2=5 in another.
This is why the language analogy doesn't work for me either.
if you start with different premises you get different results. a lot of the things we take to be "fact" (e.g. that the angles of a triangle always add up to 180 degress) are only actually facts in euclidian space. if you work in a non euclidian space (i.e. you start with different premises) you have different results. all mathetmatical truths are relative to their premises. i.e. "if a and b are true, then c follows...".
This is why I have a hard time with they typical college. I took a course at a trade school to learn all I could about computers so that I could get a job outside of the factory. They offered me computerized accounting as well which I took. I hated accounting for the record but my first job outside of college was with a construction company and they quickly had me start doing some of their accounting. I ended up in construction accounting for the next 7 years. I worked my way up to Senior Project Accountant and was doing the work of the assistant controller. My company, at the time, had a strict no degree no promotion rule. They wanted me to get my accounting degree to move up to the next level. I started to look into it and would have had to take English 101 and several other lame classes that had nothing to do with what I wanted to learn. I declined because at the time, having two young kids and a full time job and husband I just didn't have the time. I ended up changing fields because I realized that it is mostly women in accounting and I have a hard time dealing with alot of women. I am glad with the choices I made in life but still get frustrated with the whole thing when I think about it. The promotion would have been a significant pay increase but I just didn't want to go through the entire hassle of 4 years plus just to do work I was already capable of doing.
shaker... check out the default thread.
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no I didn't. you disagreed with me. then I reinforced my point.
you also deduced from my post that people in Bora Bora would have different math. I didn't comment on that because it's actually not a logical conclusion from what I said, and was missing my point. what I said was that if you start from different premises you have different results. that doesn't mean people in Bora Bora will start from different premises. and if they found the same things we did then they must have been working under the same premises.
I already pointed out that there are systems that start from different premises and rules. Randy pointed that out too. and math has many different ways to say the same thing.
I'm not saying the things mathematics proves aren't true or wouldn't be true if we weren't around. of course they would still be true. but mathematics itself is our language. we created it to describe complex relationship that we witness.
Last edited by shakermaker113; 02-12-2009 at 01:23 PM.
You're kidding me now, right?
Why would people in a totally different culture with little or no contact (until relatively recently) with the rest of the world develop the exact same set of "premises"? Are you gonna tell me it's because we all share the same gravitational constant or some bullshit like that?
Your 'non-euclidean space' example totally missed the point. Euclidean vs. Non-Euclidean space is not a "premise", it is a condition of fact. the fact is that the mathematical law which states that "the sum of the angles of a triangle in euclidean space equals 180 degrees" is absolutely independent of any "premise". You can't show me any alternative "premise" which makes triangles add up to 190 degrees under those conditions. Unless you want to play semantic games and talk about 4-sided triangles or something.
Huh? Isn't that a contradiction or would it not mean that one of the systems is wrong if they're going to produce different results to the same problem?
Anyway, my sticking point in all of this is that math is not a language because one of the fundamental aspects of language is its arbitrary nature. Math is not arbitrary, the symbols and signs we use to represent the rules are but the rules themselves are set in stone. It simply explains the physical relationships of the world around us, yes? Physics indicates that there isn't too much wiggle room in those physical relationships.
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2 oz blended whiskey
Juice of 1/2 lemon
1/2 tsp powdered sugar
1 cherry
1/2 slice lemon
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It's different because in terms of grammar, there are many different strategies possible for marking the relationship between the different nouns of a sentence. Why languages follow one or another strategy is arbitrary, not based not on any natural (biological or physical) reasoning--like math--but on mere accidents of historical variation.
French vs. English vs. Thai for example.
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Whiskey Sour
2 oz blended whiskey
Juice of 1/2 lemon
1/2 tsp powdered sugar
1 cherry
1/2 slice lemon
Shake blended whiskey, juice of lemon, and powdered sugar with ice and strain into a whiskey sour glass. Decorate with the half-slice of lemon, top with the cherry, and serve.