Page 76 of 81 FirstFirst ... 71727374757677787980 ... LastLast
Results 2,251 to 2,280 of 2402

Thread: Obama off to a good start

  1. #2251
    Coachella Junkie SoulDischarge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Vampire State Building
    Posts
    16,119

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    "Hi! I'm Patrick, and I support gay marriage. Now, can I get a turkey on wheat, no mayo?"
    Quote Originally Posted by guedita View Post
    Thanks for giving us the opportunity to not give a fuck again.

  2. #2252
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Kony 2012.

  3. #2253
    Coachella Junkie boarderwoozel3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    18,350

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    I should be more specific: People vote based on their perceived personal economic well-being. Social issues make for fiery conversation but ultimately people vote their perception of the bottom line. Or so says James Stimson's scholarship on the matter, and he provides ample evidence to support that claim.

  4. #2254
    old school RageAgainstTheAoki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    2,687

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by Somewhat Damaged View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...203159510.html
    Good for Shep Smith. This isn't the first time he's said something that doesn't tow the party line. How has he remained in the employ of Fox News all these years?
    Dude. That's exactly why he's remained in the employ of Fox News. He's one of the highest paid news anchors too. Shep's role is to add legitimacy (or the appearance of it) to the network. Anyway, I wonder who will come out first. Shep or Andy Cooper.

  5. #2255
    Coachella Junkie chairmenmeow47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    aquabania
    Posts
    17,533

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    i wholeheartedly disagree with jeff.

    talk to anyone who supports gun rights or abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmjamalawesome View Post
    It's when we discuss Coachella that we are at our collective dipshittiest.

  6. #2256
    old school Stickjohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts
    3,500

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    I liked that he referenced his daughters (by name even!) in his statement. Surely a deliberate choice to to help portray this as a family issue and reinforce his role as a father in addition to being President, but I thought it was a nice touch and added to the "my views have evolved" type of thinking.

    Good job Mr. President.

  7. #2257
    old school RageAgainstTheAoki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    2,687

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    i wholeheartedly disagree with jeff.

    talk to anyone who supports gun rights or abortion.
    Right. Or just look at the Kerry v. Bush election. The republicans got lots of state initiatives on abortion, gun rights and marriage equality on local ballots which in turn helped contribute to conservative turnout. Sure, the economy's still issue number 1 in this election, but I think it's a bit premature to write off the impact of “social values” voters – especially in swing states.

  8. #2258
    Coachella Junkie boarderwoozel3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    18,350

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    i wholeheartedly disagree with jeff.

    talk to anyone who supports gun rights or abortion.
    That's ok, I'll still gay marry you

  9. #2259
    Coachella Junkie chairmenmeow47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    aquabania
    Posts
    17,533

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    hahaha

    seriously though, people talk about the economy, but vote on the social issues they deem important because frankly that's the only thing most of us can understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmjamalawesome View Post
    It's when we discuss Coachella that we are at our collective dipshittiest.

  10. #2260
    Peaceful Oasis TomAz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Zenith, Winnemac
    Posts
    40,897

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    The work of science is to substitute facts for appearances, and demonstrations for impressions.
    Quote Originally Posted by efrain44 View Post
    Anyone know who the guy in the Cardinals jersey is? I've seen him in pictures on the board and I thought I saw him this year.

  11. #2261
    Coachella Junkie jackstraw94086's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    8,413

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    hahaha

    seriously though, people talk about the economy, but vote on the social issues they deem important because frankly that's the only thing most of us can understand.
    This would be almost true if it werent for the fact that the exact opposite of this happens to be true

  12. #2262
    Coachella Junkie faxman75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    The murder capital where we murder for capital
    Posts
    27,915

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    485756_2887139592608_1683730381_1851018_710286370_n.jpg

    It appears they have dropped the war part of this message in the last hour.

  13. #2263
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    The average voter has no idea what the candidates think or intend. They vote for who they like.

  14. #2264
    Coachella Junkie chairmenmeow47's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    aquabania
    Posts
    17,533

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw94086 View Post
    This would be almost true if it werent for the fact that the exact opposite of this happens to be true
    you really think people understand the economics of this country more than they understand they want a gun to shoot invaders?
    Quote Originally Posted by malcolmjamalawesome View Post
    It's when we discuss Coachella that we are at our collective dipshittiest.

  15. #2265
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start


  16. #2266
    old school RageAgainstTheAoki's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    2,687

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Ha. Okay. That's a good headline.

  17. #2267
    Coachella Junkie jackstraw94086's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    8,413

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by chairmenmeow47 View Post
    you really think people understand the economics of this country more than they understand they want a gun to shoot invaders?
    voting according to the economy does not imply that people need degrees in it or can understand its underpinnings. Generally the sitting president/party wins in an up economy, and loses in a down economy, and they generally let the media tell them which they're in. When it's ambiguous, they still vote with where their gut tells them the economy is going.


    Of course there are a few nuts who actually may let gun rights influence their entire vote, but they are a very small minority.

    And there's really no significant amount of people that actually let abortion influence even congressional votes, much less a presidential one. It's just a party platform staple, a bonus if anything. But there's nobody who will vote for someone they weren't going to vote for already just because they happen to agree with them on abortion. Even a presidential candidate who blathers on about attempting to overturn roe v wade is only doing so to reinforce a few votes, but he has no real hope for a significant number of new ones. And he there's really very little chance he'd ever actually do it if elected. Everyone knows it.


    If what you were saying is true then the parties would be mainly split by gun and pro-life lines, which is not what we actually see. pro gun and pro-life may be slanted in favor of republicans but it's not the primary division in this country. The two major parties are mainly characterized by their economic philosophy. If democrats all of a sudden espoused gun rights, you wouldn't expect to see a significant shift in voting.
    Last edited by jackstraw94086; 05-09-2012 at 03:23 PM.

  18. #2268
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw94086 View Post
    But there's nobody who will vote for someone they weren't going to vote for already just because they happen to agree with them on abortion.
    You're coming across as more than a little naive here.

  19. #2269
    Old Gay Guy gaypalmsprings's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Palm Springs, CA
    Posts
    20,732

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by amyzzz View Post
    I want to know what GPS Bob thinks about that.
    I want full civil rights and I want them now. Obama is taking too much time.

  20. #2270
    Peaceful Oasis TomAz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Zenith, Winnemac
    Posts
    40,897

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Righteous indignation > strategic realpolitik
    Quote Originally Posted by efrain44 View Post
    Anyone know who the guy in the Cardinals jersey is? I've seen him in pictures on the board and I thought I saw him this year.

  21. #2271
    Coachella Junkie jackstraw94086's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    8,413

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    You're coming across as more than a little naive here.
    please reread your post previous to that one.

    Of course there are groups of hardcore anti-abortion voters, but not enough to sway elections. It may only seem that way in localized elections because anti-abortion happens to correllate with another more significant issue. Even when republicans attempt to insert some of the pro-life rhetoric into actual politics (i.e. defunding planned parenthood) it's clear that it's just a bargaining chip, and they give it up as soon as they get something else they wanted. The general public largely ignores the loud minority until they actually attempt a foothold and then there's always a wave of popular uproar against it.
    And there's always examples like the Susan Komen Foundation fiasco. Generally popular figure comes out against abortion they generally get ostracized.

    Resting your opinion on the sensationalized news stories about abortion in politics is the naive stance. The real truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but IMO strongly leaning towards my opinion.
    Last edited by jackstraw94086; 05-09-2012 at 03:45 PM.

  22. #2272
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw94086 View Post
    Of course there are groups of hardcore anti-abortion voters, but not enough to sway elections.
    But it's not just abortion. It's perfectly viable to collect enough of the generally smaller social coalitions to tip an election. Abortion, gay rights, gun rights, immigration, Muslims, etc etc etc. Add these things up and you're looking at a not inconsiderable voting bloc. I guarantee you that

    1. There ARE people who vote on social issues alone
    2. There ARE enough of them, in the aggregate, to make a difference

  23. #2273
    Coachella Junkie jackstraw94086's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    8,413

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by PotVsKtl View Post
    But it's not just abortion. It's perfectly viable to collect enough of the generally smaller social coalitions to tip an election. Abortion, gay rights, gun rights, immigration, Muslims, etc etc etc. Add these things up and you're looking at a not inconsiderable voting bloc. I guarantee you that

    1. There ARE people who vote on social issues alone
    2. There ARE enough of them, in the aggregate, to make a difference
    of course this might be true when the economy does not trump them. If it can, it will. I was speaking about gun rights and abortion on their own, which of course is not necessarily the end of the story, but the more issues you lump together to form your voting bloc, the smaller it gets. People vote generally vote with their wallets. Congratulations for identifying some exceptional folks. Of course when I say "nobody" I don't mean literally not a single person. Your little voting bloc isn't going to elect a president.

  24. #2274
    Member hippityhip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    548

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by ivankay View Post
    ^Don't underestimate voter apathy and the ease to sway them by fear. John Kerry was a "no doubt" winner for a bit there too.
    Truth
    Four Tet - Mohawk - 3/1
    Mac Demarco - Mohawk - 4/13

  25. #2275

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    It's about time he did something bold.

  26. #2276

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    I don't see how this was a bold move at all. He made sure to stress the fact that he still wants the decision to go to each individual state - which is exactly what his policy has always been. Was anyone under the impression that President Obama, the most liberal president ever, didn't personally support gay marriage/gay rights?

  27. #2277

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't see how this was a bold move at all. He made sure to stress the fact that he still wants the decision to go to each individual state - which is exactly what his policy has always been. Was anyone under the impression that President Obama, the most liberal president ever, didn't personally support gay marriage/gay rights?
    Negroes hate gays though I understand he is somewhat racially different than the typical American negro. It was really getting out the black vote in California in 2008 that passed Prop 8

  28. #2278

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowMotionApocalypse View Post
    Negroes hate gays though I understand he is somewhat racially different than the typical American negro. It was really getting out the black vote in California in 2008 that passed Prop 8
    wat

  29. #2279
    Coachella Junkie
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,131

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Desperate.

  30. #2280
    Coachella Junkie paulb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    North Woods, WI
    Posts
    18,833

    Default Re: Obama off to a good start

    Quote Originally Posted by gaypalmsprings View Post
    I want full civil rights and I want them now. Obama is taking too much time.
    Cause Romney is going to speed up the gay marriage process?
    Upcoming Shows:
    Kasabian/Bo Ningen: 10/1 @ Metro
    Coachella: 4/10-12 @ Empire Polo Fields

Similar Threads

  1. GOOD NIGHT or GOOD MORNIN'???
    By carmawerx in forum Misc. Lounge
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-26-2008, 06:12 AM
  2. You can now officially start considering Blur
    By PierogiHead in forum Rumors/Gossip/Wish List
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 12-01-2008, 11:03 AM
  3. Editors...and end has a start
    By windscreen in forum Music Lounge
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 07-17-2007, 07:28 AM
  4. why the late start?
    By eldums in forum Line Up/Artists
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: 04-24-2007, 11:47 AM
  5. Good time, good spot.
    By Quentin in forum Camping/Lodging
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 03-23-2007, 06:51 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •