Thanks Ivy. That was like watching kids poking dog shit with a stick.
And before you go over to the new thread for discussin', pay the piper and post pictures of you in Hawaii, college, not in college, thinking, knowing, not knowing, believing and not believing.
Last edited by ivankay; 02-27-2009 at 01:54 PM.
As someone who has a graduate degree and taught undergraduates for a period of time, I have given a fair amount of thought to the value of education and its correlation to intelligence.
I think what's tripping up quite a few of you in this thread is that you have no specific, concrete definition of intelligence. Surely, someone who is able to perform well academically exhibits a certain type of intelligence, but it may not be the same type of intelligence as someone who exhibits street smarts. Howard Gardner's theory on multiple intelligences has been quite influential in my own thinking on what it means to be "smart."
Higher education teaches a very specific set of academic-related skills. These skills may or may not be applicable in the real world after graduation, largely dependent on the type of education you receive and the type of job you choose. I tend to advocate a liberal arts undergraduate experience, because it emphasizes critical thought process (which I believe is highly useful throughout life) over pre-professional training, but that's a personal choice. In any case, a college-educated person is nearly always going to finish the experience with increased fluency in the specific set of academic-related skills taught to them. Whether or not this counts as an increased intelligence is dependent on your definition of intelligence.
As to the question of whether the average college-educated person is more intelligent than the non-college educated person, that's trickier to say. My gut says that yes, the average college-educated person is probably more intelligent, given that being (a certain kind of book-)smart makes K-12 school easier which would mean you might be more encouraged to go to college. However, I think that there are certainly outliers who are too smart for their educational setting to handle, who would be bored and less likely to seek out higher education. I also think that there are lots of people who are all different kinds of "smart" in ways unrecognized by the traditional educational system.
No offense, but I think Longboard is probably one of the worst beers I've ever had.
I prefer lost coast and stone.
OK one last photo and I am off work and on my way to beer.
This is my favorite spot in Oahu, this was the back yard of the house we rented in North Shore, I may have posted this before but I am trying to avoid being the non photo poster.